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My favourite movies are period accurate movies where everyone just shits their pants. I feel like I'm really there.
Films that have aged because of bad behaviour
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My favourite movies are period accurate movies where everyone just shits their pants. I feel like I'm really there.
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It depends if it's important to the story. You can't have Django Unchained without depicting slavery and racism. But I don't think anyone would be organising people auctions and dishing out the n word after watching it.
From an early age we know the difference between stories and our real world. Also, film makers often put a modern spin on historical scenarios. Attitudes and language that are no longer acceptable are rarely, if ever, presented in a good light. Though some of the best material realistically shows how good people can be drawn into doing bad things.
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There's something in the opening in 'Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids' that definitely falls into the 'That didn't age well' file, where Bill Cosby breaks the fourth wall and directly addresses the audience and says, "This is Bill Cosby coming at you with music and fun, and if you're not careful you might learn something before it's done." It now sounds very different than it would have done 10 years or more ago ...
It's funny (peculiar) how seemingly innocent lines in TV shows or movies years later can take on a whole different meaning after real life events. For example, in the late 1980s there was an American sitcom called 'My Sister Sam' which included a young rising star actress called Rebecca Schaeffer, who while working on the show attracted the interest of a stalker. The stalker seemed to be more a nuisance than a danger to the young actress, until the day in 1989 he went to her house and shot her dead when she answered the door. What is really eerie is that the opening lyrics of the 'My Sister Sam' theme song begin, "Everything starts with a knock at the door, you don't know who it is, but you know who it's for..'
In a 2010 episode of Glee, the Glee Club teacher Mr. Schue is trying to motivate his very much unmotivated students, and tries a new tactic, writing the year 2020 on the whiteboard and asking where they see themselves a decade on. One of the boys, a jock football player named Noah 'Puck' Puckerman laughs and gives a smart-ass answer, "Jail, dead, or both." In 2018 and three years after Glee finished the actor who played this character, Mark Salling, took his own life while on bail and awaiting a prison sentence for possession of illegal pornography.
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They would just be dramatised documentaries.
The answer to the first question is yes.
The art of story telling when it comes to period peaces is to be as realistic as possible. Its how people buy into the story. I do think though depicting an era in all its glory can be unnecessary if it plays no part in the plot. But if its beneficial to adding depth to the plot then absolutely.
Getting modern day actors to perform these roles is increasingly difficult however and even now many rabbit on about movies they regret. When secretly we know they dont. They just want to disown something that could question their character.
The second question is No. They dont increase bad behaviors. I think that is fear mongering to stop these stories from seeing the light of day. Often those offended by movies that have come out depicting the use of no longer acceptable behavior and stereotypes are offended because it was made and havent actually seen the movie and only been told 2nd hand.
Overall movies should go as hard as they need to to tell the story as well as it can be possibly told.
isnt that roadhouse?
but yes of course. we dont need a lecture. being entertained should be enough.
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My mother in law loves the movie, The Dam Busters.
When she watches it, she invariably posts online that she's watched it.
I follow up with the question, 'what's the name of the dog again?'.
She never answers me.
When she watches it, she invariably posts online that she's watched it.
I follow up with the question, 'what's the name of the dog again?'.
She never answers me.
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Cue the conversation between David Brent and Gareth.’it was the 50s before racism was bad.’
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The issue of the dog's name is possibly a reason the remake didn't happen. Peter Jackson wanted to keep the original name but knew they would be accused of racism. Exec producer, David Frost, suggested 'Nigsy'. The writer, Stephen Fry, wanted to go with 'Digger'.
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With the Cosby situation, it's quite interesting to hear Bill Cosby jokes from two different comedy movies made just four years apart but with totally different meanings and implications at the time they were made and released.
In Bridesmaids in 2011, Annie takes her car for repairs at a shop owned by a Mr. Bill Cozbee, who turns out to be a short-statured, fair-skinned white man from Eastern Europe, who is very grumpy and whose pet peeve is people saying that he has the same name - albeit spelled differently - as the famous comedian. The humor here is of course that this Bill Cozbee has no tolerance about people constantly reminding of his famous namesake, and that in physical appearances Bill Cosby and Bill Cozbee are complete opposites.
Then in Ted 2 in 2015, John, Samantha and Ted go to an improv comedy show (not a very good one) where they create havoc for the politically correct comedy team on the stage, by making inappropriate suggestions for settings such as the World Trade Center on 9/11 and Germany in World War 2. When the comedy team finally pick a Starbucks as the location (nobody in the audience suggests it), the lead comedian asks, 'Now, who's in the Starbucks?' and John yells out 'Bill Cosby!'.
This joke from Ted 2 has a completely different implication than the joke on Bridesmaids several years earlier before the allegations about Cosby had come to light.
In Bridesmaids in 2011, Annie takes her car for repairs at a shop owned by a Mr. Bill Cozbee, who turns out to be a short-statured, fair-skinned white man from Eastern Europe, who is very grumpy and whose pet peeve is people saying that he has the same name - albeit spelled differently - as the famous comedian. The humor here is of course that this Bill Cozbee has no tolerance about people constantly reminding of his famous namesake, and that in physical appearances Bill Cosby and Bill Cozbee are complete opposites.
Then in Ted 2 in 2015, John, Samantha and Ted go to an improv comedy show (not a very good one) where they create havoc for the politically correct comedy team on the stage, by making inappropriate suggestions for settings such as the World Trade Center on 9/11 and Germany in World War 2. When the comedy team finally pick a Starbucks as the location (nobody in the audience suggests it), the lead comedian asks, 'Now, who's in the Starbucks?' and John yells out 'Bill Cosby!'.
This joke from Ted 2 has a completely different implication than the joke on Bridesmaids several years earlier before the allegations about Cosby had come to light.
I reckon the only time I’ve come across it is in the movie Pink Floyd the Wall.
It is a key part of Pink (Geldof) watching it on his tv in his hotel room. Can’t remember which part but Pink ends up putting a guitar through the tv and smashing the room into a million pieces.
From what we gather from the movie is that Pinks Dad died probably at Dunkirk and he didn’t deal with this…just another brick in the wall
He's not my favourite actor of all time by the way. No, my favourite actor of all time is Mr Sidney Poitier
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The worse seemed to happen in the Roger Moore ones.
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There's a big difference between movies and TV shows that contains content at the time was acceptable and those that aged badly because of the off-screen bad behavior of those who were in them or made them.
For example, again using Cosby as an example, given that 'The Cosby Show' was made in 1986-1992 there would no doubt be some jokes or comments that would have been just fine at the time but would now be considered controversial or unacceptable. This isn't the show aging because of bad behavior, it's just that it was made in a very different time. The reason that The Cosby Show aged badly and will never again be seen on FTA TV or streaming or for sale on DVD is because of what happened when serious allegations were raised about Bill Cosby in the mid 2010s, not because of any politically incorrect humor contained within episodes the show.
For example, again using Cosby as an example, given that 'The Cosby Show' was made in 1986-1992 there would no doubt be some jokes or comments that would have been just fine at the time but would now be considered controversial or unacceptable. This isn't the show aging because of bad behavior, it's just that it was made in a very different time. The reason that The Cosby Show aged badly and will never again be seen on FTA TV or streaming or for sale on DVD is because of what happened when serious allegations were raised about Bill Cosby in the mid 2010s, not because of any politically incorrect humor contained within episodes the show.
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That's exactly what I was going for when I started this thread. Not examples of jokes that aren't as funny any more because attitudes have changed (think trans jokes or sexist attitudes) but otherwise innocuous films that hit different because of unrelated behaviour by the actors. So Cosby preaching family values makes the Cosby Show unwatchable not because of the content but because of who is saying it. Likewise, I'm sure Get Him To The Greek is still pretty funny but the scenes of Jonah Hill hanging out with Diddy and Russell Brand sure don't seem as amusing any more.
