Play Nice First transgender player in the AFLW

[Bunk Moreland]

No point jumping at shadows. Go for it and play. We'll know about the 'dominating' thing is and when it happens.

 

[10571z]

So Hannah has played women's handball already and fits within the IOC's rules for transgender athletes which the AFL abide by.

I don't see how Hannah can be denied from playing AFLW.

Played in the men's handball.

 

[Chief Ten Beers]

Go for it and play. We'll know about the 'dominating' thing is and when it happens.

A ruck kicking 15 goals in 3 games not convincing enough for you?

 

[Bunk Moreland]

A ruck kicking 15 goals in 3 games not convincing enough for you?

Nah, see how she goes in the superior competition. If there's a problem, it'll become evident.

 

[Cmarsh]

Played in the men's handball.

My mistake

 

[JordyLuke]

Doesn't matter if your test levels are low, if you have had a lifetime as a male with malemusculoskeletal development, two years of women's HRT and having low testosterone is not going to level the playing field.

 

[Jaeger]

Hypothetically if Shane Mumford declared that he identified himself as a woman, would they let him play AFLW?

 

[JVseven]

So Hannah has played women's handball already and fits within the IOC's rules for transgender athletes which the AFL abide by.

I don't see how Hannah can be denied from playing AFLW.

He played men’s handball

 

[BEEG]

Hypothetically if Shane Mumford declared that he identified himself as a woman, would they let him play AFLW?

Probably as they would be petrified of the blow back.

I think it's disgusting it's even considered, no problem with the transition, go play men's football, born a man spent 25 years as a man play in a men's league, simple.

People need to actually take away all the bullshit testosterone talk and think about it.

 

[yoodooright]

Hypothetically if Shane Mumford declared that he identified himself as a woman, would they let him play AFLW?

No

 

[yoodooright]

Probably as they would be petrified of the blow back.

I think it's disgusting it's even considered, no problem with the transition, go play men's football, born a man spent 25 years as a man play in a men's league, simple.

People need to actually take away all the bullshit testosterone talk and think about it.

How is the mere consideration disgusting?

Personally, I find the utter dismissal of such a move perplexing. Assuming a fair & reasoned eligibility criteria can be realised, what is the problem?

 

[10571z]

No

Why?

 

[quotemokc]

Why?

Because as a society we are not progressive enough.

 

[yoodooright]

Why?

Because someone merely saying 'I am a female' does not equate to the state recognising them as such.

It is a false corollary to the issue being discussed, and a reductionist one at that.

 

[10571z]

Because someone merely saying 'I am a female' does not equate to the state recognising them as such.

It is a false correlarry to the issue being discussed, and a reductionist one at that.

If Shane came out and said he now identified as a women and his testosterone levels were low enough what is the difference.

 

[yoodooright]

If Shane came out and said he now identified as a women and his testosterone levels were low enough what is the difference.

Well he wouldn't be legally recognised as a female, for one.

 

[BEEG]

How is the mere consideration disgusting?

Personally, I find the utter dismissal of such a move perplexing. Assuming a fair & reasoned eligibility criteria can be realised, what is the problem?

Problem is he was born a man, went through puberty, played sport at an Olympic level for our country and at the age of 25 wanted to become a women, I find it perplexing that people can see past all this and look just at a one criteria which to be honest is just laughable.

 

[Komrade_Tiger]

If Shane came out and said he now identified as a women and his testosterone levels were low enough what is the difference.

IOC guidelines which are considered the baseline standard required you to be post-op.

If you're going to go that far, taking HRT for over 2 years which drops both muscle and bone density to levels similar to that of a 'natural born' woman then all the power to you. Gunna find it's actually alot harder if not impossible to maintain the fitness that top-level female athletes are able to achieve because of the Testosterone blockers lowering levels to below that of equivalent female athletes

 

[JordyLuke]

Hypothetically if Shane Mumford declared that he identified himself as a woman, would they let him play AFLW?

No. But if he started to transition for a time and was legally recognised as a woman than yes.

 

[yoodooright]

Problem is he was born a man, went through puberty, played sport at an Olympic level for our country and at the age of 25 wanted to become a women, I find it perplexing that people can see past all this and look just at a one criteria which to be honest is just laughable.

kirsti , the OP, has transitioned. She believes that the current criteria is inadequate, and liable to manipulation.

If a fair and reasoned criteria for eligibility could be reached, would you still have an issue?

I suppose what I am asking is if you disagree with it 'in principle' or just logistically

 

[Adz]

It’s a NO from me.

 

[jatz14]

A ruck kicking 15 goals in 3 games not convincing enough for you?

No, there is a history of AFLW quality players monstering lesser quality comps. One of the Lions (Lutkins I think) kicked a ridiculous amount of goals in a defence force game, something like 10 in a half. 15 goals in 3 games just means she is much better than the not very strong Canberra comp. Doesn't mean she could do the same in the VFLW, let alone the AFLW.

 

[jatz14]

Article on her. http://www.theage.com.au/afl/womens...al&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

 

[BEEG]

kirsti , the OP, has transitioned. She believes that the current criteria is inadequate, and liable to manipulation.

If a fair and reasoned criteria for eligibility could be reached, would you still have an issue?

I suppose what I am asking is if you disagree with it 'in principle' or just logistically

Not going to lie as I couldn't care less what people think of me it's both, I have the biggest issue with the criteria it's an absolute joke, feels like the IOC have made it relatively easy as they don't want any issues.

 

[yoodooright]

Not going to lie as I couldn't care less what people think of me it's both, I have the biggest issue with the criteria it's an absolute joke, feels like the IOC have made it relatively easy as they don't want any issues.

I empathise regarding the current criteria. It is the antithesis of stringent.

I think (presume?) that we differ on the 'in principle' side of things though. If someone biologically male undergoes transition, and fulfills a fair and rigorous criteria to ensure that no unfair advantage is maintained due to their biological sex, I cannot see why they should be precluded from competition.