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Morganashlee said:
Would you rather I talked shit about you privately? I'd prefer to be honest and open, every aspect of your continued attempt at cultivating a shitfight is tedious so give it up. You provided little for all the hype you built so let's just call this the end.
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I threw 2 or 3 barbs at you in case you wanted to fire up, but you weren't giving anything. I wasn't going to outright bully you
 

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boydshow said:
I threw 2 or 3 barbs at you in case you wanted to fire up, but you weren't giving anything. I wasn't going to outright bully you
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And other than those "2 or 3 barbs" you said close to **** all. You only went on to argue with Morgs :$
 
You'll be surprised Boyd and Redpath kicked 35 between them last season Norgs and they only played like 3 games together, both averaged over a goal a game also. Not too bad for a pair of developing 2nd year players.

Crameri only kicked 32 and he's not a tall forward, we can cover him through a mix of tall midfielders resting forward.

Great to see that chip on your shoulder has still effected your thought process however :)
 
boydshow said:
I threw 2 or 3 barbs at you in case you wanted to fire up, but you weren't giving anything. I wasn't going to outright bully you
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FFS Griffy, first there's "not enough banter," then you start talking about how you didn't want to "bully" her when you got about as close to anything offensive as Jack Watts does to a contest. :rolleyes:

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You'll be surprised Boyd and Redpath kicked 35 between them last season Norgs and they only played like 3 games together, both averaged over a goal a game also. Not too bad for a pair of developing 2nd year players.

Crameri only kicked 32 and he's not a tall forward, we can cover him through a mix of tall midfielders resting forward.

Great to see that chip on your shoulder has still effected your thought process however :)
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This is why I tipped you guys for the flag (apart from lulz), I don't see the Crameri loss as being that huge if Boyd actually becomes semi-competent.

This is how you argue with her too. Take note Griffy.
 
Starburns_ said:
This is why I tipped you guys for the flag (apart from lulz), I don't see the Crameri loss as being that huge if Boyd actually becomes semi-competent.

This is how you argue with her too. Take note Griffy.
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I don't think we'll win the flag because of youf/history of losing prelims etc, but I'd be very disappointed if we "slid" considering we've cleared more deadwood and added a couple of guys who will contribute through FA/Draft plus getting Libba and Stevens back will help our depth. Stevens dominated against GWS last week too.

It's laughable how Main Bored logic thinks that we'll slide because the Puffers did last year, the Puffers lack of depth was exposed bigtime last year. Whereas we played like 40 players last year, up there with cellar dwellers like Brisbane and Carlton IIRC, which means we have some depth, particularly through our midfield/smalls.

I think you guys are a shot however, the list age demographic is at 11 o'clock/1130, gotta be now or never for Richmond.

My riser is Melbourne also, think they'll start clicking.
 
go you pups said:
I don't think we'll win the flag because of youf/history of losing prelims etc, but I'd be very disappointed if we "slid" considering we've cleared more deadwood and added a couple of guys who will contribute through FA/Draft plus getting Libba and Stevens back will help our depth. Stevens dominated against GWS last week too.

It's laughable how Main Bored logic thinks that we'll slide because the Puffers did last year, the Puffers lack of depth was exposed bigtime last year. Whereas we played like 40 players last year, up there with cellar dwellers like Brisbane and Carlton IIRC, which means we have some depth, particularly through our midfield/smalls.
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Libba is the forgotten player, he'll add a lot to an already formidable midfield group.

Did you guys get a ruckman to compete with/replace Minson?

I think you guys are a shot however, the list age demographic is at 11 o'clock/1130, gotta be now or never for Richmond.
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I think we are, my only serious question (albeit a big one) is the mental fragility when it truly counts (plus the early in the season where you can set things up), and I'm honestly not sure. We need to finish top 4, a 'free hit' finals game without such high stakes is what we need. We still have a shit coach too.

Disagree on the list demographic though, Maric aside, we've no one important within 3 years of retirement. Depth is developing reasonably well too, though Moore and Townsend (and probably Yarran) are backwards steps.

My riser is Melbourne also, think they'll start clicking.
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I think they'll improve, but I guess it's hard to tell who they'll pass on the way up.

Aside from a pretty concrete bottom 3, it's difficult to tell how the pieces will fall from there. You can make a case for basically any finals team (aside from Hawthorn) falling out of the 8, you can make one for anyone from Melbourne upwards making it, and anyone from the top 10 last year would be shooting for the 4.
 
Starburns_ said:
Libba is the forgotten player, he'll add a lot to an already formidable midfield group.

Did you guys get a ruckman to compete with/replace Minson?
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Nope, they rookie drafted a kid from Altona/Western Jets called Luke Goetz, he's an aerobic beast from all reports but one for the future (effectively replaces Cordy I guess), they're gunna back Campbell and Roughead to improve otherwise they'll probably hit the trade table hard at seasons end, we went for Lobbe last year but that was rejected, IIRC you guys did also.

Libba and Stevens coming back will help Wallis, Dahlhaus, Macrae etc into slightly different roles elsewhere, either on the outside or across half forward


I think we are, my only serious question (albeit a big one) is the mental fragility when it truly counts (plus the early in the season where you can set things up), and I'm honestly not sure. We need to finish top 4, a 'free hit' finals game without such high stakes is what we need. We still have a shit coach too.

Disagree on the list demographic though, Maric aside, we've no one important within 3 years of retirement. Depth is developing reasonably well too, though Moore and Townsend (and probably Yarran) are backwards steps.
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Think you misunderstood, the list demographic is very good currently heaps of guys in that 22-29yo bracket, what I should've said was the Tiges have to raise their level otherwise Hardwick will come under scrutiny, now or never for Hardwick I mean.

Yep agree, you need to win 16-17 games and cement a top 4 spot, not 15 and just fallen short in 5th which brings you to sudden death the next week.

I think they'll improve, but I guess it's hard to tell who they'll pass on the way up.

Aside from a pretty concrete bottom 3, it's difficult to tell how the pieces will fall from there. You can make a case for basically any finals team (aside from Hawthorn) falling out of the 8, you can make one for anyone from Melbourne upwards making it, and anyone from the top 10 last year would be shooting for the 4.
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Some people think St KIlda are at the same level as Melbourne, I disagree, I feel Melb are approaching a Collingwood level with their age demographic. Both midfields have a blend of experience like Pendles, Swannie, Jones, Vince etc, then you've got guys entering the right age bracket/exciting youf coming through like Treloar, De Goey, Adams, Viney, Brayshaw, Petracca, Tyson etc but Collingwood have Sidebottom on top of that so the Pies probably have a slight edge, but not by much. Their rucks in Witts/Grundy vs Gawn are similarly placed also, but I think Gawn is a more dominant player than Collingwood's pairing. Only real difference is Collingwood has more proven KPPs in Cloke, Reid, White and Brown etc in their prime who are a bit better than Garland, Dunn, Dawes, though the Dees have Hogan and MacDonald to build around at either end who are coming good.

Then I look at St Kilda, still relying on Riewoldt, Montagna, Dempster, Fisher etc. Bruce is their only young tall standing up while the others are very inexperienced and raw like Goddard and McCartin or look like B graders at best in Longer and Hickey. Their midfield has a lot of smaller built speedy types to it like Steven, Montagna, Newnes and they added Gresham and Freeman to that mix, while Armitage and Dunstan are their two stronger inside mids, but they just seem to lack a few utility type taller powerful midfielders that a lot of other clubs seem to have who can be a point of difference. Finding another barometer to the team would help, Riewoldt and Armitage seem to be their only barometers.

Still think they're a work in progress and need to improve their midfield depth, plus the older guys still playing in key positions have to move on eventually also. They do have some nice pieces though for the future plus Carlisle next year, but I think Melbourne and the Gold Coast are well ahead.
 
go you pups said:
Then I look at St Kilda, still relying on Riewoldt, Montagna, Dempster, Fisher etc. Bruce is their only young tall standing up while the others are very inexperienced and raw like Goddard and McCartin or look like B graders at best in Longer and Hickey. Their midfield has a lot of smaller built speedy types to it like Steven, Montagna, Newnes and they added Gresham and Freeman to that mix, while Armitage and Dunstan are their two stronger inside mids, but they just seem to lack a few utility type taller powerful midfielders that a lot of other clubs seem to have who can be a point of difference.

Still think they're a work in progress plus the older guys still playing in key positions have to move on eventually also.
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We need to get some good free agents in tbh.

Need to get 2 mids.
 
Cooksen said:
We need to get some good free agents in tbh.

Need to get 2 mids.
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Big bodied mids is what you need imo, you've got the outside types down pat I think in say Steven and Newnes etc, while Freeman will probably add to that if he can get himself fit, just think Armitage and Dunstan need a bit more help.

I edited after you quoted me, another barometer type mid would do you guys the world of good, Armitage goes alright, but finding another who can stand up and help him out would propel you guys somewhat. I remember when you had Gehrig and Hamill up forward back in the day when they were on then you guys were on, but Harvs and Hayes were the midfield barometers who supplied them.

For etc at my club, Libba, Wallis, Stevens, Picken and Stringer are all barometers imo, probably Easton Wood emerged as one also. At Hawthorn, it's Hodge, Lewis, Roughead, Thyril.
 

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Deflecting by putting my opinion down to the "chip" on my shoulder is pathetic. There are valid reasons to hold an opinion that the Dogs will slide but of course you refuse to see them slow you pups

To say Cloke, Reid, Brown and White are only abit better than Dunn, Garland and Dawes is ****ing laughable and that's where I stopped reading.

Keep biting though, it makes me giggle.
 
Morganashlee said:
Deflecting by putting my opinion down to the "chip" on my shoulder is pathetic. There are valid reasons to hold an opinion that the Dogs will slide but of course you refuse to see them slow you pups
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Says the girl who "hates" The Dogs, what are those valid reasons we'll fall then? I recall you said on the flogcast we will struggle to kick goals with no Crameri and will be relying solely on Dickson because Boyd is a "dud", yet you failed to mention Stringer or Redpath even existed (75 goals between them in 2015).

And Norf to win the flag, your boyfriends team, ******* lol :$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$

Take the emotion out of your opinion then maybe you may not sound delusional, or bitter, or biased :rolleyes:

To say Cloke, Reid, Brown and White are only abit better than Dunn, Garland and Dawes is ******* laughable and that's where I stopped reading.
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Shows how ignorant you are then, Melbourne beat Collingwood last season and imo Melbourne will push up the ladder because their youf is ready to become relevant. While Dawes may be a bit of a hack these days, Dunn and Garland are honest defenders.

It's not 2010-11 anymore, those guys haven't shown anywhere near the form they used to be in in at least 2-3 years due to injury/team declining due to retirements/coaching changes etc, Jack Frost is arguably your best tall defender now and he's still learning. Collingwood have developed a soft underbelly with Bucks the last 2 years, it's time for them to play out a full season and pass the test, not just cruise after 11-12 rounds after going 8-3, 8-4 to start the year.

Keep biting though, it makes me giggle.
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Alex Fasolo for AA :$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:drunk::drunk::drunk:
 
Dawes is shit, and I think Roos will play Pedo and Sam Frost ahead of him. If the Weed dominates in the VFL, he could also get a call up. Max King could be another one to look out for as a ruck/forward.
 
go you pups said:
Shows how ignorant you are then, Melbourne beat Collingwood last season and imo Melbourne will push up the ladder because their youf is ready to become relevant. While Dawes may be a bit of a hack these days, Dunn and Garland are honest defenders.

It's not 2010-11 anymore, those guys haven't shown anywhere near the form they used to be in in at least 2-3 years due to injury/team declining due to retirements/coaching changes etc, Jack Frost is arguably your best tall defender now and he's still learning. Collingwood have developed a soft underbelly with Bucks the last 2 years, it's time for them to play out a full season and pass the test, not just cruise after 11-12 rounds after going 8-3, 8-4 to start the year.
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YouDontKnowJack said:
Dawes is shit, and I think Roos will play Pedo and Sam Frost ahead of him. If the Weed dominates in the VFL, he could also get a call up. Max King could be another one to look out for as a ruck/forward.
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Yep, Dawes is cooked. Another relic of Crazy Neeldy. Thank **** his contract is up at the end of this year - Time to ship him off. Pedersen is a better stop-gap option until Weideman comes on or Frost puts his hand up.

Dunn is an honest defender, but he isn't getting any younger. Garland bats above his weight/height division.

Cloke is the outlier in the group you've listed though. It's fashionable to hang shit on him but when he's on he can win a game by himself. He's tapered a little in the past 2 years but we don't have an equivalent in terms of forward-line experience with the runs on the board.

But in terms of last season:

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...1=1521&tid2=12&pid2=3916&type=A&fid1=S&fid2=S

That's an encouraging comparison.
 
go you pups said:
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Says the girl who "hates" The Dogs, what are those valid reasons we'll fall then? I recall you said on the flogcast we will struggle to kick goals with no Crameri and will be relying solely on Dickson because Boyd is a "dud", yet you failed to mention Stringer or Redpath even existed (75 goals between them in 2015).

And Norf to win the flag, your boyfriends team, ******* lol :$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$

Take the emotion out of your opinion then maybe you may not sound delusional, or bitter, or biased :rolleyes:


Shows how ignorant you are then, Melbourne beat Collingwood last season and imo Melbourne will push up the ladder because their youf is ready to become relevant. While Dawes may be a bit of a hack these days, Dunn and Garland are honest defenders.

It's not 2010-11 anymore, those guys haven't shown anywhere near the form they used to be in in at least 2-3 years due to injury/team declining due to retirements/coaching changes etc, Jack Frost is arguably your best tall defender now and he's still learning. Collingwood have developed a soft underbelly with Bucks the last 2 years, it's time for them to play out a full season and pass the test, not just cruise after 11-12 rounds after going 8-3, 8-4 to start the year.


Alex Fasolo for AA :$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:$:drunk::drunk::drunk:
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If you think I picked Norf because my boyfriend barracks for them then you are a mental midget who gives me no respect. North are an experienced list with proven ability to win finals and will benefit from having a fit Daniel Wells added to there already strong list.

Dawes kicked 11 goals in 14 games last year. Jesse White kicked 27 in 18 games and he is potato level of bad. Dawes is more than a bit of a hack and does nothing to help your argument. Jack Frost is good, Nathan Brown is back to where he was after injury depleted seasons and Tom Langdon is developing nicely. I'm not saying they won't push up the ladder, just pointing out huge flaws in your argument.

Stringer will be great with or without Crameri, hence why I didn't bring him in to the discussion. Without Crameri, Dickson will now receive a better defender - so you lose the 30 goals from Crameri and with Dickson getting a tougher opponent IMO he wont be kicking 50 goals like he did last season. You will have a bolstered midfield with Libba coming back but I don't think that Boyd has shown anything yet to say he will improve your side. It's an opinion that has nothing to do with my dislike of your club. I have a stronger one on Richmond and included them as my slider but nobody cared about that ... because you see what you want to see as it suits your shitfiighting agenda. Congrats, I've kept you relevant again and given you a platform to write an essay. You're welcome.
 
Morganashlee said:
If you think I picked Norf because my boyfriend barracks for them then you are a mental midget who gives me no respect. North are an experienced list with proven ability to win finals and will benefit from having a fit Daniel Wells added to there already strong list.
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Norf only won 13 games last H and A season, they only just made finals due to Ports/Geelongs incompetence and had a dream run to a prelim facing a mentally weak Richmond after their coach got an AFL approved tank the week before to give his players a rest, then came up against a cooked Sydney the next week.

Norf's 2014 was a much better effort and they had much more credible finals wins, but last year they were far from convincing imo and relied heavily on Goldsteins dominance and goals from Waite, Brown, Higgins and Petrie to get the job done most weeks.

They won't win the flag with this lot of dinosaurs carrying them. Wells won't be the difference

Dawes kicked 11 goals in 14 games last year. Jesse White kicked 27 in 18 games and he is potato level of bad. Dawes is more than a bit of a hack and does nothing to help your argument. Jack Frost is good, Nathan Brown is back to where he was after injury depleted seasons and Tom Langdon is developing nicely. I'm not saying they won't push up the ladder, just pointing out huge flaws in your argument.
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Dawes wasn't the key point of my argument, I merely stated him as an experienced KPP that Melbourne had as I think their list demographic is similar to Collingwood's albeit the "household names" Collingwood has and one or two more experienced players, FWIW I forgot about Pedersen who is quite a solid player when he's fit.

Langdon isn't a key defender, he's a rebound/intercept type similar to Easton Wood and Heath Shaw.

Stringer will be great with or without Crameri, hence why I didn't bring him in to the discussion. Without Crameri, Dickson will now receive a better defender - so you lose the 30 goals from Crameri and with Dickson getting a tougher opponent IMO he wont be kicking 50 goals like he did last season. You will have a bolstered midfield with Libba coming back but I don't think that Boyd has shown anything yet to say he will improve your side. It's an opinion that has nothing to do with my dislike of your club. I have a stronger one on Richmond and included them as my slider but nobody cared about that ... because you see what you want to see as it suits your shitfiighting agenda. Congrats, I've kept you relevant again and given you a platform to write an essay. You're welcome.
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I was happy to talk about Richmond with Fyfo in my other post

Quite happy to state Richmond will comfortably finish ahead of Norf this year.

We have a heap of midfielders who push forward who will step up for Crameri, Dickson may not kick 50, but he'll still average around 2 goals a game, he was already a proven goalkicker beforehand yet had an injury riddled 2014 thwarting him. Stringer will be great yeah yeah, you never brought him or Redpath up in the first place trying to make your argument that we will struggle up forward sound better :$

So why state we will slide then just to get a reaction out of us?
 
go you pups said:
Norf only won 13 games last H and A season, they only just made finals due to Ports/Geelongs incompetence and had a dream run to a prelim facing a mentally weak Richmond after their coach got an AFL approved tank the week before to give his players a rest, then came up against a cooked Sydney the next week.

Norf's 2014 was a much better effort and they had much more credible finals wins, but last year they were far from convincing imo and relied heavily on Goldsteins dominance and goals from Waite, Brown, Higgins and Petrie to get the job done most weeks.

They won't win the flag with this lot of dinosaurs carrying them. Wells won't be the difference


Dawes wasn't the key point of my argument, I merely stated him as an experienced KPP that Melbourne had as I think their list demographic is similar to Collingwood's albeit the "household names" Collingwood has and one or two more experienced players, FWIW I forgot about Pedersen who is quite a solid player when he's fit.

Langdon isn't a key defender, he's a rebound/intercept type similar to Easton Wood and Heath Shaw.


I was happy to talk about Richmond with Fyfo in my other post

Quite happy to state Richmond will comfortably finish ahead of Norf this year.

We have a heap of midfielders who push forward who will step up for Crameri, Dickson may not kick 50, but he'll still average around 2 goals a game, he was already a proven goalkicker beforehand yet had an injury riddled 2014 thwarting him. Stringer will be great yeah yeah, you never brought him or Redpath up in the first place trying to make your argument that we will struggle up forward sound better :$

So why state we will slide then just to get a reaction out of us?
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We only made it due to Port and Geelong's incompetence? :drunk:

They missed the finals because they aren't good, it's no coincidence or surprise. Of course you make excuses for us winning finals, just can't stand the thought of us being good. Just a little bit obsessed ;)
 
go you pups said:
Norf only won 13 games last H and A season, they only just made finals due to Ports/Geelongs incompetence and had a dream run to a prelim facing a mentally weak Richmond after their coach got an AFL approved tank the week before to give his players a rest, then came up against a cooked Sydney the next week.

Norf's 2014 was a much better effort and they had much more credible finals wins, but last year they were far from convincing imo and relied heavily on Goldsteins dominance and goals from Waite, Brown, Higgins and Petrie to get the job done most weeks.

They won't win the flag with this lot of dinosaurs carrying them. Wells won't be the difference


Dawes wasn't the key point of my argument, I merely stated him as an experienced KPP that Melbourne had as I think their list demographic is similar to Collingwood's albeit the "household names" Collingwood has and one or two more experienced players, FWIW I forgot about Pedersen who is quite a solid player when he's fit.

Langdon isn't a key defender, he's a rebound/intercept type similar to Easton Wood and Heath Shaw.


I was happy to talk about Richmond with Fyfo in my other post

Quite happy to state Richmond will comfortably finish ahead of Norf this year.

We have a heap of midfielders who push forward who will step up for Crameri, Dickson may not kick 50, but he'll still average around 2 goals a game, he was already a proven goalkicker beforehand yet had an injury riddled 2014 thwarting him.

So why state we will slide then just to get a reaction out of us?
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Not everything I say is to get a rise ffs, it is possible to hold an opinion without it being a means of creating debate. I have no interest in debating what could be, I was asked for a slider and I gave one. Why is nobody else getting questioned so heavily for their opinions?
Fyfo picked the dogs for the flag :drunk:
Cookie picked Port for the flag - they didnt make the finals but thats ok. He also picked West Coast as the faller :drunk::drunk::drunk::drunk::drunk:
Teach picked Norf for the flag for the 18th time in a row

Dan also picked the dogs to fall. Go tag him and bitchslap him for not loving you enough :rolleyes::thumbsdown:

It's clear you only want to argue with me, it's a trend I've noticed amongst your breed. I'm sick of you all. Go elsewhere.
 
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