- Sep 22, 2008
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Thought I’d start a thread to talk about options off the field which we think would make a good fit.
This isn’t a Bevo bashing thread - there’s other threads for that and everyone’s opinions are pretty known there, but whether he goes next year or whether he’s here for 5 years is irrelevant, there needs to be changes to our whole coaching department. This isn’t to talk about our current failings, it’s to talk about our football department going forward - who should stay who should go, who should we target?
Having this list being lead by line coaches of the ilk of Sphanger, Webb and Bubba with development coaches like? Maddocks (who?) opposition & strategy coaches like? I don’t even know. Our coaching panel is a disgrace compared to what it was a few years ago with King, Corey, Moz, Hansen etc and compared to other clubs with plenty of winning experience. There is no excuse considering the talent on the list, good coaches would be jumping at the opportunity to work with this group, why aren’t they?
I understand we were probably hamstrung by the soft cap being introduced after Bevo signed a long term contract - that’s just bad luck, and last year with people leaving so late in the piece too, but we’ve had a year to sort this now. There is no excuses for being poorly staffed going into next year.
For a start there’s an increase of 500k in the cap but also we have to start being a smart, well run club off the field. For example there’s other initiatives like hiring female staff at a discount in cap which can help spread workload or like below -
“Clubs who are sponsoring the successful participants of the Women’s Coaching Acceleration program are eligible to receive Soft Cap exemption. There are currently nine clubs who are supporting applicants – Adelaide Crows, Brisbane Lions, Collingwood, Essendon, Geelong Cats, GWS Giants, Hawthorn, North Melbourne and Port Adelaide.”
Of course we’re not one of the clubs taking advantage of this, yet it’s so simple?
Now here’s the other thing, as far as I’m aware - there’s nothing stopping us from spending above the soft cap, it just means you get “taxed” on the excess spend, I believe 75c for every dollar you spend over the cap. We’re not poor - we’re sitting very well off field currently and will make another profit this year, it is in our best interests off field to invest and to maximise our on field performance, which at the end of the day is the best way to set us up off field too.
In reality there’s no need to run at a profit, any profit we make this year should be put into going over the soft cap next year. It’s only for the one year until Bevs contract is over and we can better manage our spending going forward.
No excuses for paying peanuts for assistants any more, you have a ****ing Lamborghini of a list - stop taking it to bloody ultra tune for a service.
Anyway - options for this year? Whose available, who should we target?
Whether Bevos there or not a senior assistant with a **** load of experience is an absolute necessity. Ideally someone with no senior coach ambitions, someone whose been there done that and is no longer interested (or at least not now)
Cameron is just a no brainer, he’s a hardass, he’s worked under Rocket, Clarko & Sheedy - he has experience at the top level, he’s old & experienced enough to not take any shit and not hold his tongue. Perfect.
Spangher just has to go, I’d move on Bubba into a development role too - he’s had great success with our young small defenders, I don’t think he’s a defensive line coach.
Webb I’d be willing to give another chance, as he seems like a good experienced football brain, and it’s probably hard to just cut the whole panel at once, he’d be the lucky one to get another chance. He’s done nothing with our midfield but I think hes on a hiding to nothing to be honest - I feel like he’s come in and been asked to be a mouthpiece for Bev and our existing midfield strategy, let’s be honest this is our same midfield for 8 years he hasn’t been asked to reinvent the wheel he’s been asked to do the exact same thing it’s always been doing. Bev needs to take a step back from micromanaging every line and delegate work to them, if Webb can’t stand up and put in his own input now in his second year, well time to go.
If Bev was to step away, who are our options? Let’s be honest, people would be chomping at the bit to coach this list. Coaching prospects are so desperate for a chance that they usually take on career killers like Blues or Norf - imagine you had the opportunity to walk into a club led by Bont & Macrae, with future stars like Jamarra, Naughty & Darcy. You can realistically compete for a flag next year, and you’re still set up for the next 6+ years.
It’s a dream list to walk into, we’d have every single prospect in the industry knocking on our door - even Clarko? Tbh I don’t even want Clarko, I’d rather find the next big thing.
Options?
Yze - 8 years at the successful Hawks under Clarko, now two years in charge of the most well drilled midfield in the league at Dees. This bloke breeds success, he knows the ins and outs of the best team defence in the comp currently, he’s ready for the next step.
Jaymie Graham? Has had 5 years at West coast including a flag looking after their incredibly successful forward lines & backlines - now this year he’s moved to Freo and is having success with their forward line (which is really well run considering the lack of real firepower) has coached his own WAFL side, and 3-0 in AFL games as a caretaker (not that I think that means anything tbh)
Ideally we need to look at, at a minimum, a senior Assistant, a new offensive coach & a new defensive coach. I also think Grants position should be under fire, if it’s his job to put together a good coaching panel - he’s done a terrible job.
No more jobs for the ****ing boys either!
Any other options, thoughts?
This isn’t a Bevo bashing thread - there’s other threads for that and everyone’s opinions are pretty known there, but whether he goes next year or whether he’s here for 5 years is irrelevant, there needs to be changes to our whole coaching department. This isn’t to talk about our current failings, it’s to talk about our football department going forward - who should stay who should go, who should we target?
Having this list being lead by line coaches of the ilk of Sphanger, Webb and Bubba with development coaches like? Maddocks (who?) opposition & strategy coaches like? I don’t even know. Our coaching panel is a disgrace compared to what it was a few years ago with King, Corey, Moz, Hansen etc and compared to other clubs with plenty of winning experience. There is no excuse considering the talent on the list, good coaches would be jumping at the opportunity to work with this group, why aren’t they?
I understand we were probably hamstrung by the soft cap being introduced after Bevo signed a long term contract - that’s just bad luck, and last year with people leaving so late in the piece too, but we’ve had a year to sort this now. There is no excuses for being poorly staffed going into next year.
For a start there’s an increase of 500k in the cap but also we have to start being a smart, well run club off the field. For example there’s other initiatives like hiring female staff at a discount in cap which can help spread workload or like below -
“Clubs who are sponsoring the successful participants of the Women’s Coaching Acceleration program are eligible to receive Soft Cap exemption. There are currently nine clubs who are supporting applicants – Adelaide Crows, Brisbane Lions, Collingwood, Essendon, Geelong Cats, GWS Giants, Hawthorn, North Melbourne and Port Adelaide.”
Of course we’re not one of the clubs taking advantage of this, yet it’s so simple?
Now here’s the other thing, as far as I’m aware - there’s nothing stopping us from spending above the soft cap, it just means you get “taxed” on the excess spend, I believe 75c for every dollar you spend over the cap. We’re not poor - we’re sitting very well off field currently and will make another profit this year, it is in our best interests off field to invest and to maximise our on field performance, which at the end of the day is the best way to set us up off field too.
In reality there’s no need to run at a profit, any profit we make this year should be put into going over the soft cap next year. It’s only for the one year until Bevs contract is over and we can better manage our spending going forward.
No excuses for paying peanuts for assistants any more, you have a ****ing Lamborghini of a list - stop taking it to bloody ultra tune for a service.
Anyway - options for this year? Whose available, who should we target?
Whether Bevos there or not a senior assistant with a **** load of experience is an absolute necessity. Ideally someone with no senior coach ambitions, someone whose been there done that and is no longer interested (or at least not now)
Cameron is just a no brainer, he’s a hardass, he’s worked under Rocket, Clarko & Sheedy - he has experience at the top level, he’s old & experienced enough to not take any shit and not hold his tongue. Perfect.
Spangher just has to go, I’d move on Bubba into a development role too - he’s had great success with our young small defenders, I don’t think he’s a defensive line coach.
Webb I’d be willing to give another chance, as he seems like a good experienced football brain, and it’s probably hard to just cut the whole panel at once, he’d be the lucky one to get another chance. He’s done nothing with our midfield but I think hes on a hiding to nothing to be honest - I feel like he’s come in and been asked to be a mouthpiece for Bev and our existing midfield strategy, let’s be honest this is our same midfield for 8 years he hasn’t been asked to reinvent the wheel he’s been asked to do the exact same thing it’s always been doing. Bev needs to take a step back from micromanaging every line and delegate work to them, if Webb can’t stand up and put in his own input now in his second year, well time to go.
If Bev was to step away, who are our options? Let’s be honest, people would be chomping at the bit to coach this list. Coaching prospects are so desperate for a chance that they usually take on career killers like Blues or Norf - imagine you had the opportunity to walk into a club led by Bont & Macrae, with future stars like Jamarra, Naughty & Darcy. You can realistically compete for a flag next year, and you’re still set up for the next 6+ years.
It’s a dream list to walk into, we’d have every single prospect in the industry knocking on our door - even Clarko? Tbh I don’t even want Clarko, I’d rather find the next big thing.
Options?
Yze - 8 years at the successful Hawks under Clarko, now two years in charge of the most well drilled midfield in the league at Dees. This bloke breeds success, he knows the ins and outs of the best team defence in the comp currently, he’s ready for the next step.
Jaymie Graham? Has had 5 years at West coast including a flag looking after their incredibly successful forward lines & backlines - now this year he’s moved to Freo and is having success with their forward line (which is really well run considering the lack of real firepower) has coached his own WAFL side, and 3-0 in AFL games as a caretaker (not that I think that means anything tbh)
Ideally we need to look at, at a minimum, a senior Assistant, a new offensive coach & a new defensive coach. I also think Grants position should be under fire, if it’s his job to put together a good coaching panel - he’s done a terrible job.
No more jobs for the ****ing boys either!
Any other options, thoughts?
