Franklin is a better half forward than Ablett ever was

[Hodgepodge]

The act of throwing oneself around in representation of a puppet can also be classified as such of a soldier getting an unsuspecting bullet from a sniper.

Got collared and threw his hands out, deserved free kick. One thing he didn't do was bend his knees to draw that high contact.

Nor did he just throw himself to the ground, Ablett style

Debuted at 21. Thankyou sir.

It's a meaningless detail with regards to his career average because a 6 game average doesn't affect the career average in any meaningful way.

So you're being pedantic, and I get that, but it's unnecessary since I can get around your roadblock with equal effect by pointing out that he debuted for 6 games at age 21, and 242 at age 23. A massive advantage for career stats. No doubt about it.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Got collared and threw his hands out, deserved free kick. One thing he didn't do was bend his knees to draw that high contact.

Nor did he just throw himself to the ground, Ablett style

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I'm guessing your mum never let you go to the game, pulled the plug out of the T.V and gave you no internet coverage for a couple of hours.

Would that be correct? Definitely correct.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

It's a meaningless detail with regards to his career average because a 6 game average doesn't affect the career average in any meaningful way.

So you're being pedantic, and I get that, but it's unnecessary since I can get around your roadblock with equal effect by pointing out that he debuted for 6 games at age 21, and 242 at age 23. A massive advantage for career stats. No doubt about it.

What is that dribble?

The greater community don't rely on statistics to prove their theories. We all know Ablett wipes his ass with Franklin.

 

[Cosmic Energy]

Is this thread still going? Didn't Allan Jeans make you self-immolate?

The stats still don't add up. As a half forward Gary averages a goal a game more in finals than Lance playing in any position, which is really odd considering Lance had the forward line to himself in finals last year, with no Roughead around. But his finals average went backwards, without a Brownless or Stoneham type in sight!

Gary even averages nearly 4 possessions (3.9) more per final as a half forward, to Lance's measly 12. And Lance has never reached 20 possessions in a final, and he has played a few now. And we know of course that he has not reached 30 possessions even in junky games, so he is behind Whitnall as far as Lances go, as he racked up both a 30 & some 20s in finals.

The above just shows that Lance has a fair way to go as a half forward. The high water mark for a half forward is probably Gary's 23 possessions, 10 marks & 8 goals v Essendon in the preliminary final in 1989. Not just the stats, the running bouncing goals, the electrifying pace, the hangers, the one handers, the 75 metre torps, the bone-jarring bumps, the delivery to the other forwards, the kicking off both feet....all in one game!

So when Lance 20 & 8s in a final, get back to me. Even a 20 & 0 would be nice.

 

[PoidaCat]

Tom Hawkins is a better key forward than Franklin ever will be.

 

[dazbroncos]

Ablett never really choked under pressure.

Buddy squibbed twice in one quarter and cost his team a win - that will haunt and underwhelm their performance going forward.....

But in HP's unicorn world... the flowers are still pretty and his numbers keep making sense...

GO Catters

 

[winty]

We all know that Hawthorn has lost the last eight games against Geelong, but what is probably not known is that Buddy has probably cost Hawthorn four of those games through selfishness and stupidity.

Firstly, we have Round 17, 2009.

[YOUTUBE]W7D3ZbV-H18[/YOUTUBE]

At 6:06 of this clip we can see young Josh Kennedy clear with the ball and running into an open goal. Buddy selfishly screams out for the young man to pass it to him so he can be a hero, only to be run down in a tackle by Mackie, turning the ball over and costing his side a win.

That brings us to Round 15, 2010.

[YOUTUBE]R3uNGJQGK7c[/YOUTUBE]

The video doesn't capture it, but Buddy somehow failed to make the distance from 35m out in the dying stages, and then at 8:45 of that clip chews up valuable seconds with the ball while about 65m out from goal, and then proceeds to roost the ball into the 15th row of the stand in the pocket. Just get it in quickly Buddy.

Then we get to Round 12, 2011.

[YOUTUBE]8iA_A6Iwwwg[/YOUTUBE]

With Hawthorn scoreless in the last term, Buddy has a chance to be a hero, but for some reason decides to take a dive instead of pull in a contested mark. No free is paid, and Hawthorn lose by less than a kick. Just put up your dukes Buddy!

That finally brings us to Round 2, 2012, and Buddy's stupid skidding kick from 50m out that didn't score.

Wouldn't see Gary Ablett senior doing any of that crap...

 

[rampantswan]

We all know that Hawthorn has lost the last eight games against Geelong, but what is probably not known is that Buddy has probably cost Hawthorn four of those games through selfishness and stupidity.

Firstly, we have Round 17, 2009.

[YOUTUBE]W7D3ZbV-H18[/YOUTUBE]

At 6:06 of this clip we can see young Josh Kennedy clear with the ball and running into an open goal. Buddy selfishly screams out for the young man to pass it to him so he can be a hero, only to be run down in a tackle by Mackie, turning the ball over and costing his side a win.

That brings us to Round 15, 2010.

[YOUTUBE]R3uNGJQGK7c[/YOUTUBE]

The video doesn't capture it, but Buddy somehow failed to make the distance from 35m out in the dying stages, and then at 8:45 of that clip chews up valuable seconds with the ball while about 65m out from goal, and then proceeds to roost the ball into the 15th row of the stand in the pocket. Just get it in quickly Buddy.

Then we get to Round 12, 2011.

[YOUTUBE]8iA_A6Iwwwg[/YOUTUBE]

With Hawthorn scoreless in the last term, Buddy has a chance to be a hero, but for some reason decides to take a dive instead of pull in a contested mark. No free is paid, and Hawthorn lose by less than a kick. Just put up your dukes Buddy!

That finally brings us to Round 2, 2012, and Buddy's stupid skidding kick from 50m out that didn't score.

Wouldn't see Gary Ablett senior doing any of that crap...

Spuddy frankiln's selfishness on full display. I suspect espionage.

 

[chefmeister]

We all know that Hawthorn has lost the last eight games against Geelong, but what is probably not known is that Buddy has probably cost Hawthorn four of those games through selfishness and stupidity.

Firstly, we have Round 17, 2009.

At 6:06 of this clip we can see young Josh Kennedy clear with the ball and running into an open goal. Buddy selfishly screams out for the young man to pass it to him so he can be a hero, only to be run down in a tackle by Mackie, turning the ball over and costing his side a win.

That brings us to Round 15, 2010.

The video doesn't capture it, but Buddy somehow failed to make the distance from 35m out in the dying stages, and then at 8:45 of that clip chews up valuable seconds with the ball while about 65m out from goal, and then proceeds to roost the ball into the 15th row of the stand in the pocket. Just get it in quickly Buddy.

Then we get to Round 12, 2011.

With Hawthorn scoreless in the last term, Buddy has a chance to be a hero, but for some reason decides to take a dive instead of pull in a contested mark. No free is paid, and Hawthorn lose by less than a kick. Just put up your dukes Buddy!

That finally brings us to Round 2, 2012, and Buddy's stupid skidding kick from 50m out that didn't score.

Wouldn't see Gary Ablett senior doing any of that crap...

Brilliant post.

 

[astroboy4800]

when buddy kicks double figures in a game, when buddy kicks 3 successive centuries and when buddy wins a norm smith and equals 9 goals in a losing grand final, or ebtter yet kcks 27 goals in a finals series then we can cats a better judgment call.
Ablett senior spent alot of his career on the wing and didnt really take up full forward until 1993, lets also never forget the guy kicked 14 goals against the premiers of 1993 in a losing side.
hardly worth calling their defence weak.
Ablett easily lets not forget how good he was unless alot of you were too young to watch him play.

 

[Boxhead_31]

when buddy kicks double figures in a game, when buddy kicks 3 successive centuries and when buddy wins a norm smith and equals 9 goals in a losing grand final, or ebtter yet kcks 27 goals in a finals series then we can cats a better judgment call.
Ablett senior spent alot of his career on the wing and didnt really take up full forward until 1993, lets also never forget the guy kicked 14 goals against the premiers of 1993 in a losing side.
hardly worth calling their defence weak.
Ablett easily lets not forget how good he was unless alot of you were too young to watch him play.

That is the majority of the problem here. Most of the Maybloom fanboys have only been following their team since '99 and have no knowledge of what happened in the VFL/AFL before then apart from what Wikipedia tells them

 

[chefmeister]

That is the majority of the problem here. Most of the Maybloom fanboys have only been following their team since '99 and have no knowledge of what happened in the VFL/AFL before then apart from what Wikipedia tells them

Now now, don't tar all of 'em with the same hodgepodge brush...

 

[astroboy4800]

That is the majority of the problem here. Most of the Maybloom fanboys have only been following their team since '99 and have no knowledge of what happened in the VFL/AFL before then apart from what Wikipedia tells them

There ar old clips of ablett in action, yes buddy franklin has been great but ablett, well when I say the name out aloud it says it all, the guy didnt earn the name god for nothing

 

[Hodgepodge]

Ablett never really choked under pressure.

Well of course he did Do you think I wanted to see the Premiership go West in 1992 and 1994? I was relying on Ablett to pull his finger out at some stage and kicked 4 or 5 goals. He refused to do anything.

Do you think I wanted Carlton to cheat their way to a flag in 1995? Ablett sat in the goalsquare all day diving for free kicks and refusing to win a ball on his own merits

Ablett went missing a whole lot more than Franklin, and in more key moments.

when buddy kicks double figures in a game, when buddy kicks 3 successive centuries

Franklin's not a full-forward, so of course he's not going to kick 3 successive centuries.

As a player outside of full-forward though, he has won two Colemans and five successive club goalkicking records. Both of which Ablett has not achieved.

It's a tribute to Franklin's superior consistency.

 

[astroboy4800]

Well of course he did Do you think I wanted to see the Premiership go West in 1992 and 1994? I was relying on Ablett to pull his finger out at some stage and kicked 4 or 5 goals. He refused to do anything.

Do you think I wanted Carlton to cheat their way to a flag in 1995? Ablett sat in the goalsquare all day diving for free kicks and refusing to win a ball on his own merits

Ablett went missing a whole lot more than Franklin, and in more key moments.



Franklin's not a full-forward, so of course he's not going to kick 3 successive centuries.

As a player outside of full-forward though, he has won two Colemans and five successive club goalkicking records. Both of which Ablett has not achieved.

It's a tribute to Franklin's superior consistency.

He spent 2008 up full forward and never kicked double figures, ablett was good enough to get the cats to 4 grand finals, he cant do it all, ironic you mention ablett should have lifted to kick 5 goals in those grannies, he did his best in 1989.

Ablett went to full forward late in his career 32 years old and kicked a hundred goals plus in his 30s, try moving franklin up forward in 7 years time and see how he fares in comparison

 

[ozzyoslo]

Franklin v´s Ablett...........hahaha. Put them together, then and ONLY then you have a player to contest Carey!!

 

[Hodgepodge]

He spent 2008 up full forward

Completely wrong. He did play deeper than other years, but also spent too much time up the ground to be considered a traditional full-forward.

Remember a full-forward in the Ablett sense is a player who barely leaves the forward 50, and Franklin did plenty of roaming even in 2008.

He remains the only player to kick a century outside full-forward. Something Ablett never did.

 

[astroboy4800]

4 all australians, leigh matthews trophy, 11 times victorian representative, norm smith medal, 3 coleman medals, mark of the year 1985 and 1994.
9 time leading goalkicker at geelong, australian sports medal and centenary medal aand also holds the record for most goals in a finals series with 27

ablett creams buddy easily

 

[astroboy4800]

Completely wrong. He did play deeper than other years, but also spent too much time up the ground to be considered a traditional full-forward.

Remember a full-forward in the Ablett sense is a player who barely leaves the forward 50, and Franklin did plenty of roaming even in 2008.

He remains the only player to kick a century outside full-forward. Something Ablett never did.

I have foxtel and watched hawthorn closely that year and buddy would leak up around the ground in roatation with roughhead, but he had one out contests and did play mostly full forward that year, ablett was a one man show, buddy has maany friends supporting him with roughy and cyril, franklin alone hand does nothing, just out of curiosity how many goals did he kick in 2008 premiership???

 

[Hodgepodge]

4 all australians, leigh matthews trophy, 11 times victorian representative, norm smith medal, 3 coleman medals, mark of the year 1985 and 1994.
9 time leading goalkicker at geelong, australian sports medal and centenary medal aand also holds the record for most goals in a finals series with 27

ablett creams buddy easily

Wrong again, and here you're not paying attention to the thread title.

Ablett didn't win an MVP or a Coleman outside FF. He has one AA outside the full-forward position. Etc.

I have foxtel and watched hawthorn closely that year and buddy would leak up around the ground in roatation with roughhead, but he had one out contests and did play mostly full forward that year

No, Roughead had the FF position all year. Franklin rotated in and out of the forward line, but Rough was more or less a stay at home forward.

ablett was a one man show, buddy has maany friends supporting him with roughy and cyril,

Not at all, in fact Ablett in half his seasons outside FF he didn't even lead the goalkicking for his club. Franklin on the other hand has lead the goalkicking the last five seasons. So if your statement is correct that Franklin has more of a supporting cast, then you're just arguing his superiority. Welcome aboard.

just out of curiosity how many goals did he kick in 2008 premiership???

He had 2 goals but he was playing with a broken hand.

 

[DTRAIN87]

You do realise AA positions were awarded differently in Ablett's days to how they are awarded in Buddy's time? In fact there were numerous years in Ablett's career where there wasn't an AA given at all.

 

[Hodgepodge]

You do realise AA positions were awarded differently in Ablett's days to how they are awarded in Buddy's time? In fact there were numerous years in Ablett's career where there wasn't an AA given at all.

I wouldn't say numerous years, 1989 was one of them.

I also didn't comment here on the number of AAs Ablett won.

 

[candiehappy]

I wouldn't say numerous years, 1989 was one of them.

I also didn't comment here on the number of AAs Ablett won.

I think that the consensus is that it would be appreciated if you didn't comment at all

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

Franklin is fat and dives for free kicks all the time.

Ablett>>>>>>>Daylight>>>>>>>>>More daylight>>>>>>>> Fat buddy

 

[thecatattack]

Buddy Franklin is a glorified Kent Kingsley.