Franklin is a better half forward than Ablett ever was

[Footy_Fan2007]

LMFAO what the hell is this picture?? Who the hell does he think he is?? HAHAHAHA bloody funny shit

 

[astroboy4800]

Wrong again, and here you're not paying attention to the thread title.

not wrong Im completely aware of the thread title, your over analyzing here hodgepodge, how many contested marks has franklin taken in comparison to abletts??

Ablett didn't win an MVP or a Coleman outside FF. He has one AA outside the full-forward position. Etc.

where do you get your information from, for one the game has changd for 2 he did play full forwayd and had roughhead assis him as back up, that took defenders away from the double teaming eforts ablett had to endure.
As an observer tell me how many times we see franklin take packed contested marks in comparison with ablett.

No, Roughead had the FF position all year. Franklin rotated in and out of the forward line, but Rough was more or less a stay at home forward.

no roughhead played chf all year and was luring defenders away from franklin, twin towers ring a bell????

Not at all, in fact Ablett in half his seasons outside FF he didn't even lead the goalkicking for his club. Franklin on the other hand has lead the goalkicking the last five seasons. So if your statement is correct that Franklin has more of a supporting cast, then you're just arguing his superiority. Welcome aboard.



He had 2 goals but he was playing with a broken hand.

broken hand????

first im hearing of it, by the way I hardly think so.

 

[Hodgepodge]

broken hand????

first im hearing of it, .

A lot of facts rest outside your sphere of knowledge.

not wrong Im completely aware of the thread title, your over analyzing here hodgepodge, how many contested marks has franklin taken in comparison to abletts??

Well if you're aware that the thread specifies years outside FF, why do you bring up irrelevant facts such as awards won from FF?

no roughhead played chf all year and was luring defenders away from franklin, twin towers ring a bell????

Sure twin towers rings a bell, that refers to two key forwards, it doesn't specify who the FF is.

 

[astroboy4800]

hodgepodge tell me why no hawthorn supporter is jumping to your aide here, depending on your age you would be way too young to remember ablett playing, if ou have watched the man play football and consider franklin better then ablett snr then you concede that he is by far a better football player then wayne carey, leigh mathews and james hird because ablett is mentioned in the same breath as these guys.

 

[astroboy4800]

A lot of facts rest outside your sphere of knowledge.

how am I arguing his superiority
the guy doesnt even win contested footy or contested marks, see thats what the real power forwards do, ablett, lockett, dunstall, carey, and todays champs
pavlich, riewoldt, brown etc etc
as for the broken hand I followe that game closely your injury concerns centre on luke hodge

 

[Hodgepodge]

hodgepodge tell me why no hawthorn supporter is jumping to your aide here

Because I don't need it.

if ou have watched the man play football and consider franklin better then ablett snr

I haven't said Franklin is better than Ablett Sr.

then you concede that he is by far a better football player then wayne carey, leigh mathews and james hird because ablett is mentioned in the same breath as these guys.

Actually he's not, Leigh Matthews is almost universally considered the player of the 20th century, is No.1 in just about every published list of the greatest players, is Sports Australia's Footballer of the Century, etc, etc. His record is untouchable.

Some people (Sheahan) argue that Carey is better, but admit this is based more on Carey's position than his dominance.

how am I arguing his superiority
the guy doesnt even win contested footy or contested marks, see thats what the real power forwards do, ablett, lockett, dunstall, carey, and todays champs

Sure he does, in fact he was 3rd in average contested marks in 2008, ahead of names such as Brown, Pavlich, Riewoldt, who you mentioned before

http://www.afl.com.au/stats/tabid/73/default.aspx#page=player

It's just that he plays further up the ground now and it's not so contested up there.

as for the broken hand I followe that game closely your injury concerns centre on luke hodge

The concerns may have centred on hodge, but Franklin did break his thumb the game before and was carrying a shoulder injury as well. He had three operations on his hand in the off-season, one on his shoulder, and another on his foot.

 

[bignick]

The concerns may have centred on hodge, but Franklin did break his thumb the game before and was carrying a shoulder injury as well. He had three operations on his hand in the off-season, one on his shoulder, and another on his foot.

I heard he also has a bit of throat trouble it seems he has a tendency to choke when he is needed most.

 

[astroboy4800]

Because I don't need it.

of course you do, but even if you required it thedy wouldnt because what your saying is laughable and ludicrous.

I haven't said Franklin is better than Ablett Sr.

your suggesting he is by bringing up this thread, its your way of suggesting he is ahead this early into his career when he isnt.
Its why many others are quoting ablett daylight then franklin.

Actually he's not, Leigh Matthews is almost universally considered the player of the 20th century, is No.1 in just about every published list of the greatest players, is Sports Australia's Footballer of the Century, etc, etc. His record is untouchable.

actually his record is touchable, wayne carey ablett, ron barrassi, norm smith and many others have reached similar heights.
Did you watch peter hudosn play the game, your biased and opinionated but your just another number who doesnt kn ow his footy.

Some people (Sheahan) argue that Carey is better, but admit this is based more on Carey's position than his dominance.

carey won games off his own boot, pagans paddock and was a more influential player with a greater physical presence than matthews which speaks volumes

Sure he does, in fact he was 3rd in average contested marks in 2008, ahead of names such as Brown, Pavlich, Riewoldt, who you mentioned before

http://www.afl.com.au/stats/tabid/73/default.aspx#page=player

It's just that he plays further up the ground now and it's not so contested up there.

wonder why that is as he falls behind the mark, and as shown playing in the midfield against the pies was constantly beaten and had to be shifted as he couldnt win contested footy.

The concerns may have centred on hodge, but Franklin did break his thumb the game before and was carrying a shoulder injury as well. He had three operations on his hand in the off-season, one on his shoulder, and another on his foot.

Really because as far as real footy goes there was never a mention in the media on talkback radio within club resources or anything.
Only mentioned chance batemen, luke hodge with his ribs and concerns around brad sewel

franklin was 100% fit in that grand final and if thats the case why have you never mentioned any of this when brought up riewoldt versus franklin???

dont make up lies

 

[astroboy4800]

The link you gave me has no mention of franklin only the onball brigaders so you didnt prove anything with what we are discussingf about contested marks.
Only names were sam mitchell, dal santo, dane swan, brendan goddard those types.
No mention of the key position players mate

 

[chefmeister]

LMFAO what the hell is this picture?? Who the hell does he think he is?? HAHAHAHA bloody funny shit

Apparently he now thinks he's a better point guard than Michael Jordan ever was also...

He had 2 goals but he was playing with a broken hand.

laaaaaawl pudge.
Continually finding fresh ways to humiliate yourself with your lack of substance...

flipping idiot.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

LMFAO what the hell is this picture?? Who the hell does he think he is?? HAHAHAHA bloody funny shit

Buddy - AFL's Michael Jordan?

What a pisser. but it's just Hawthorn FC selling rubbish to it's slavishly biased supporters, Hodgepodge et al.

They have more one eyed dipshits than any other club, no doubt about it.

 

[Cosmic Energy]

Is this thread still going? Didn't Allan Jeans make you self-immolate?

The stats still don't add up. As a half forward Gary averages a goal a game more in finals than Lance playing in any position, which is really odd considering Lance had the forward line to himself in finals last year, with no Roughead around. But his finals average went backwards, without a Brownless or Stoneham type in sight!

Gary even averages nearly 4 possessions (3.9) more per final as a half forward, to Lance's measly 12. And Lance has never reached 20 possessions in a final, and he has played a few now. And we know of course that he has not reached 30 possessions even in junky games, so he is behind Whitnall as far as Lances go, as he racked up both a 30 & some 20s in finals.

The above just shows that Lance has a fair way to go as a half forward. The high water mark for a half forward is probably Gary's 23 possessions, 10 marks & 8 goals v Essendon in the preliminary final in 1989. Not just the stats, the running bouncing goals, the electrifying pace, the hangers, the one handers, the 75 metre torps, the bone-jarring bumps, the delivery to the other forwards, the kicking off both feet....all in one game!

So when Lance 20 & 8s in a final, get back to me. Even a 20 & 0 would be nice.

Quoted so as to elicit a response. What say you of Franko's finals record v Ablett's as a half forward? Another stat worth noting is that Lance hasn't snared more than 7 marks in a final. Outside of Tommy Lonergan's ownership of him you think he would have dragged down some more. Of course that is less than Lance Whitnall has managed in finals, and nowhere near Gary's 14 v Melbourne in 1989. Not to mention that he is 11 cm taller than Gary. I mean Buddy is great and all, but it'd be a struggle to say he's a better anything than Gary, either in "capability" or in actual performance. It's debatable that he's even a better left foot kick than Gary.

Just for the record, in your OP you said that Ablett had never come close to averaging 20 disposals in a season. In 1984 he averaged 19.93. Do you know how many more disposals he would have needed to average 20? Just one. I'd say that's as close as you can get. And in 1989 he averaged 19.4.

This thread was a fail from post one.

 

[DTRAIN87]

Scientifically those averages would be rounded up. So therefore Ablett 20 and 3d in 1989 Podgey u mad ?

 

[dazbroncos]

LMFAO what the hell is this picture?? Who the hell does he think he is?? HAHAHAHA bloody funny shit

Trying to be Michael Jordan....

giggle uncontrollably....

LMAO!

Go Catters

 

[footscore]

podge you balding badger

how's the 'great one' looking so far?
You seem to go very quiet when your mob get shown up.


So that's 18 disposals & 11 goals for the year and pretty much played well over 70% of the time at full forward. Really struggling to out-mark the bigger, agile defenders in the game.
Gonna need a dramatic turnaround in form to even get this year back on track as the umpires aren't helping him out as much this season and he seems to carrying a little extra pudding than usual.


at least things look different from a marketing perspective....

 

[chefmeister]

Maybe Buddy Love is suffering after his missus gave him the flick...

 

[footscore]

Maybe Buddy Love is suffering after his missus gave him the flick...

you sure it didn't have anything to do with borrowing large sums of $$$ to help pay for a few lines of sherbert?
(because that's definitely one thing he would now have Gazza beat for)

 

[chefmeister]

Nah, I just reckon she listened to her friends and realised that she wasn't really into washed up, metro-sexual posers after all...

 

[Hodgepodge]

Another year averaging 15 and 3. How many of those did Ablett have?

 

[Hodgepodge]

Ablett, 3 seasons averaging 15 + disposals and 3+ goals
Franklin 5 seasons averaging 15 + disposals and 3+ goals

Continues to pull away

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

5 (the Same as Franklin) while playing on a forward flank.(both 8 yrs)

The difference being that Ablett averaged over 4 goals a game 3 of those yrs, compared to Franklins once.

Pipe, smoke it.

Adios. No amount of twisting and turning of your argument will get further response.

You've been pwned once again.

 

[Hodgepodge]

5 (the Same as Franklin) while playing on a forward flank.(both 8 yrs)

You've been pwned once again.

Lies won't cut it here, show me the 8 years where you say Ablett averaged > 15 and >3 goals in a season.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Lies won't cut it here, show me the 8 years where you say Ablett averaged > 15 and >3 goals in a season.

You obviously can't read. Please quote me on my 8 yrs of Ablett achieving that feat.

 

[Hodgepodge]

You obviously can't read. Please quote me on my 8 yrs of Ablett achieving that feat.

Show me the 5 then!

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Show me the 5 then!Including the 3 years Ablett averaged 15 and 4.

1985 - 16.8 Dispoals 4.1 goals
1986 - 15 Disposals 4.3 golas
1989 - 19.4 Disposals 3.8 goals
1990 - 16.1 Disposals 4.4 goals
1992 - 18.3 Disposals 3.4 goals