Franklin is a better half forward than Ablett ever was

[Jhye Clark 13]

Voted by their peers for season 2012.

Franklin isn't even ahead of Hawkins, in fact Franklin isn't currently in the top 10 players in the comp.

This is voted on by the players that play with and against him.

 

[Tiger2709]

Don't respond to him footscore, he's delusional.

No need to even justify Ablett as being far superior.

I was merely proving his post wrong, which I did.

This...

I know who I would want playing up forward if the Tigers had a pick of one or the other to take into the game and it wouldn't be Buddy, he is just to unreliable with that ridiculous goal kicking style, he loses as many games as he wins and has very little overhead marking ability.

 

[Hodgepodge]

Franklin isn't even ahead of Hawkins, in fact Franklin isn't currently in the top 10 players in the comp.

Yet Franklin has comprehensively outperformed Hawkins this year.

 

[winty]

This thread is freaking hilarious.

Here we have HodgePodge telling all and sundry that Ablett was a half forward, yet in other threads he's gone to great lengths to try and convince us that Ablett was in fact a full forward for his entire career:

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threa...d-lets-look-at-his-on-field-behaviour.923318/

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threa...ary-ablett-sr-was-just-a-full-forward.743217/

So, which is it HodgePodge? Is Ablett a half forward or a full forward, or does it depend on what crap you're trying to spin at any given time?

 

[Tiger2709]

And even if i was to give him that year, he'd only be level with Franklin who still has a while to go. Oh boy, it's becoming a rout.

Don't worry you will get over the GF loss, but this is just embarrassing, currently Buddy is barely fit to polish Ablett snr's boots, stop falling for the media lovefest they rarely have a clue.

 

[Hodgepodge]

This thread is freaking hilarious.

Here we have HodgePodge telling all and sundry that Ablett was a half forward, yet in other threads he's gone to great lengths to try and convince us that Ablett was in fact a full forward for his entire career:

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threa...d-lets-look-at-his-on-field-behaviour.923318/

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threa...ary-ablett-sr-was-just-a-full-forward.743217/

So, which is it HodgePodge? Is Ablett a half forward or a full forward, or does it depend on what crap you're trying to spin at any given time?

To be honest a lot of his career Ablett did play a full-forward role, but for the sake of comparison i'm willing to consider him a half-forward, or at least a non-specific forward.

And it's clear that Franlkin is just outdoing him in that.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Yet Franklin has comprehensively outperformed Hawkins this year.

The players don't lie, nor do they agree with your opinions. Afterall, they play the game, you just sit back counting stats.

 

[Hodgepodge]

The players don't lie, nor do they agree with your opinions. Afterall, they play the game, you just sit back counting stats.

They play the game and they avoid watching the game. Just ask Cameron Mooney.

A lot of Tom Hawkins' esteem this season has come from the fact that he has improved as a player, rather than necessarily playing all that well.

And of course we both know who had the better finals campaign.

 

[Hodgepodge]

Don't worry you will get over the GF loss, but this is just embarrassing, currently Buddy is barely fit to polish Ablett snr's boots, stop falling for the media lovefest they rarely have a clue.

I'm all too aware that Ablett's reputation is particularly high amongst Tigers supporters. He loved to beat up on Bottom 4 sides in the 80s

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

And it's clear that Franlkin is just outdoing him in that.

And it's clear I've proven you wrong.

Keep going though, it's not doing you or your credibility any favours. Let's try and get this thread to 2,000 posts with a bit of circle work.

PS: How come you can never get anybody to back you up....ever.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

They play the game and they avoid watching the game. Just ask Cameron Mooney.

A lot of Tom Hawkins' esteem this season has come from the fact that he has improved as a player, rather than necessarily playing all that well.

And of course we both know who had the better finals campaign.

The players know more than you. The proof is in the results. Keep going.

 

[powerofthepussie]

I'm all too aware that Ablett's reputation is particularly high amongst Tigers supporters. He loved to beat up on Bottom 4 sides in the 80s

stop reflecting that you just lost the grand final amd CHOKED.......
LLLOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSEEERRRRRRRRRRSSSSSSSS

 

[Hodgepodge]

And it's clear I've proven you wrong.

That would be clear and undeniable if you did, yet your numbers were found to be completely wrong. I didn't invent Maths bro.

PS: How come you can never get anybody to back you up....ever.

Who said I can't and haven't? You did. So back it up.

 

[Hodgepodge]

The players know more than you. The proof is in the results. Keep going.

Well of course it's in the results! That's how we know that Hawkins failed to perform in finals, because he came up with a big fat 0 in September. That's how we know that Franklin thrashed Hawkins in almost every average stat category.

The proof is in the pudding, I think you meant to say. No kidding.

 

[Tiger2709]

I'm all too aware that Ablett's reputation is particularly high amongst Tigers supporters. He loved to beat up on Bottom 4 sides in the 80s

Maybe it is more that you are bitter that Hawthorn let him go which resulted in Geelong getting Jnr under the father son rule and owning your club since 2008.

Simple fact is Buddy is not as good as Ablett, who knows what he will be by the end of his career but at the moment its not even close.

 

[Hodgepodge]

Maybe it is more that you are bitter that Hawthorn let him go which resulted in Geelong getting Jnr under the father son rule and owning your club since 2008.

How is that in opposition to Ablett dominating about Fitzroy, Richmond, and the Bears? Let's assume I am bitter, it doesn't change the fact that 1/4 of his goals in a given season came against one of these sides.

Simple fact is Buddy is not as good as Ablett, who knows what he will be by the end of his career but at the moment its not even close.

Well now you're just arguing with someone I didn't say. The OP doesn't state that Franklin is already better than Ablett or will ever be. It just says he's outperforming him as a half-forward And he quite clearly is.

 

[powerofthepussie]

How is that in opposition to Ablett dominating about Fitzroy, Richmond, and the Bears? Let's assume I am bitter, it doesn't change the fact that 1/4 of his goals in a given season came against one of these sides.



Well now you're just arguing with someone I didn't say. The OP doesn't state that Franklin is already better than Ablett or will ever be. It just says he's outperforming him as a half-forward And he quite clearly is.

I SAID...
lloooosssssseeerrrrrrrsssssssss

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

To be honest a lot of his career Ablett did play a full-forward role, but for the sake of comparison i'm willing to consider him a half-forward, or at least a non-specific forward.

And it's clear that Franlkin is just outdoing him in that.

WTF is this? You really haven't played the game have you?

 

[Hodgepodge]

WTF is this? You really haven't played the game have you?

Simple, that is what plenty of ex-players have referred to Gary Ablett Sr as.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

That would be clear and undeniable if you did, yet your numbers were found to be completely wrong.

My numbers were right. 1 possession difference can be rounded to equal 15, .3 difference cannot.
You were proven wrong with simple maths.

Who said I can't and haven't? You did. So back it up.

I don't need to back it up. How many posters have you got on your side in this thread? I've got more than a few.

Well of course it's in the results! That's how we know that Hawkins failed to perform in finals, because he came up with a big fat 0 in September. That's how we know that Franklin thrashed Hawkins in almost every average stat category.
The proof is in the pudding, I think you meant to say. No kidding.

No again, the proof is with their peers.

Hawkins>>>>>>>>>>Franklin. Considering the results are measured over an entire season (not 1 finals match), Hawkins is seen as the better player, while Franklin languishes somewhere outside the top 10.

Players>>>>>>>>>>>Hodgepoge. They play the game.

PS: Stay away from stats and start watching games. Possession stats don't measure Franklin's continued shanks for goal in pressure situations.

Hawkins round 19 still hurts ha.

 

[Hodgepodge]

My numbers were right. 1 possession difference can be rounded to equal 15, .3 difference cannot.
You were proven wrong with simple maths.

So it does or does not = > 15? Answer is no, so it's not a >15 and > 3 goal season, which is what I stated as the benchmark.

I don't need to back it up. How many posters have you got on your side in this thread? I've got more than a few.

Well of course you have, and one of them is arguing against a point I didn't even make. I don't need confused backup to add a veneer of validity to my posts. The proof is in the pudding.

No again, the proof is with their peers.

Yes, that's what you said the first time, but you haven't shown anything.

Hawkins>>>>>>>>>>Franklin. Considering the results are measured over an entire season (not 1 finals match), Hawkins is seen as the better player, while Franklin languishes somewhere outside the top 10.

It's lucky for Hawkins that finals weren't included, because he refused to perform. And by refuse, i mean refused. He declined to ever tackle or chase. Sometimes you can get outplayed by hacks like Zac Dawson, but you can still control your defensive effort. Hawkins laziness probably cost Geelong the game.

Players>>>>>>>>>>>Hodgepoge. They play the game.

I'm not putting my opinion over the players, I'm presenting the facts that you've chosen to ignore.

So really your equation here should read Players>>>>facts. That equation is no less correct than your earlier one that 14.9 >= 15

PS: Stay away from stats and start watching games. Possession stats don't measure Franklin's continued shanks for goal in pressure situations.

Well sure they do, it's called an ineffective disposal! And Franklin has more effective disposals per game than Hawkins too!

Hawkins round 19 still hurts ha.

Not at all, it didn't even slow us down . . .

 

[Geelong Dynasty]

Define half forward, is it centre half forward or HFF?

 

[Hodgepodge]

Define half forward, is it centre half forward or HFF?

What's with the avatar of Adrian Ernest Bailey???

 

[Geelong Dynasty]

What's with the avatar of Adrian Ernest Bailey???

Whats with the evasion?

 

[Hodgepodge]

Whats with the evasion?

I think we're all entitled to ask what the **** you are thinking putting up a picture of an accused rapist and murderer as your avatar.