Frankston v Coburg - 1st Elimination Final

[Weaver]

1st Elimination Final
Frankston v Coburg
1.15pm Saturday 2nd September.
Frankston Oval.
(No TV)

If we win we (which we won't) we play the loser of Northern (Carlton) and Williamstown (Collingwood) at Port Melbourne in the first semi.

 

[metallichris]

Do you know which Richmond-listed players are allowed to participate in the VFL finals series?

 

[Bengal Tiger]

Do you know which Richmond-listed players are allowed to participate in the VFL finals series?

Any player who has played 1 AFL game after 1 JULY 2006 must have played 7 VFL games to be eligible.

From the guys who played last night, Whitey, Howatt, Chaffey and I think Patto are the only ones eligible.

The guys who have been playing for Coburg for the last few weeks are also eligible.

We can only have 12 AFL players in the side though.

 

[PLSC]

its crap that its on saturday

do you give howat and white a taste of finals footy or do you reward them on a good year with a round 22 afl game

see what happens

 

[Infamy]

Kellaway may be eligible as he's coming back from injury

 

[Weaver]

Kellaway may be eligible as he's coming back from injury

He would have had to have played at least one VFL game, which he hasn't. His injury wasn't early enough in the year.

I don't think the elligability rules apply this week anyway because it is round 22 of the AFL. I think we can pick anyone who isn't in the AFL team. If I am wrong, and the elligability rules apply this week -

Injured: Jackson, Hartigan, Moore, Oakley-Nicholls, Meyer, Knobel
Richmond: White, Howat, Pattison, Chaffey
Available: Rodan, Humm, Hughes, Limbach, Roach, Casserley, McGuane, Graham

Knobel might get back from injury. If Kellaway is fit for Richmond then one of the 4 Richmond guys might be dropped back to Coburg. Pattison would be ideal because Frankston play a ruckman in the FP (Eames or Clarke) and Pattison would be perfect as a tall defender against them - although I'd prefer Rob Young get the job.

Ideally White or Howat would be the one dropped back. It is midfield that needs reinforcements.

Dropping Pattison would only mean that Graham or Limbach miss out. Can't have Knobel, Pattison, Ronaldson and Graham (4 ruckmen) in the team. If Pattison plays CHF we can't really have Hughes, Limbach, McGuane and Patto all up forward. We have tall options down back with Silvester, Jorgenson, Young, Robertson and Neville at a pinch.

 

[Infamy]

He would have had to have played at least one VFL game, which he hasn't. His injury wasn't early enough in the year.

I saw him listed for Coburg on the weekend, I take it he didn't play

 

[jezza]

I saw him listed for Coburg on the weekend, I take it he didn't play

Nope, wasn't there.

 

[Truetiger]

I was told as Our seniors are playing on the same day as the VFL final. That any tiger player not named in the seniors can play for our VFL side.

Otherwise if our senior side is not on the same day as the vfl side. Then who we pick is limited. How true is this if at all.

 

[WilliamPowell]

As long as a Richmond bloke has played a game for Coburg they are eligble this week for the VFL finals but if they haven't played a game they cannot play.

But remember the 12/10 rules applies for the finals

 

[Crumden]

Coburg team

Coburg Tigers:
B: McGuane, Jorgensen, Silvester.
HB: As Gill, Ronaldson, King.
C: Carnell, Rodan, Casserly.
HF: Kuret, Limbach, Shelton.
F: Humm, Hughes, Rimington.
R: Graham, Di Mascio, Neville.
Int: Conder, Young, Mullins, Simpson, Caruso, Randello, Bowes, Walsh, Carlson, AJ Gill, Robertson, Huy.

 

[tiger4life]

Re: Coburg team

Coburg Tigers:
B: McGuane, Jorgensen, Silvester.
HB: As Gill, Ronaldson, King.
C: Carnell, Rodan, Casserly.
HF: Kuret, Limbach, Shelton.
F: Humm, Hughes, Rimington.
R: Graham, Di Mascio, Neville.
Int: Conder, Young, Mullins, Simpson, Caruso, Randello, Bowes, Walsh, Carlson, AJ Gill, Robertson, Huy.

good to see hughes back in the seniors...kicked 4 last week in reserves i think. Why is McGuane named at back pocket? surely he'll play forward as that is where he played last week and did reasonably well. Probly with hughes back they dont want to make the forward line too tall.

 

[Weaver]

Hughes, Limbach and McGuane aren't experienced enough to know how to combine together.

Graham is not able to be a number 1 ruckman. The abscence of Knobel is a big blow. Ronaldson will have to be number 1 ruck. We will be thumped in the ruck.

I would guess they would line-up more like ....

B: Silvester - Jorgenson - King
HB: Kuret - Young - Rimmington
C: Casserley - Neville - Huy
HF:Rodan - Hughes - Randello
F: DiMascio - McGuane - Graham
R: Ronaldson - Shelton - Humm
I: Limbach - Simpson - Carnell - AS Gill

 

[prettyboy]

The leading goal kicker starting on the bench????

 

[jezza]

The leading goal kicker starting on the bench????

On last weeks form, yes.

 

[Weaver]

The leading goal kicker starting on the bench????

26 goals in 14 games is hardly the form of an indespensible forward. Don't be tricked by his fan-club into thinking he is flying.

Take out his 7-goal haul against wooden spooners Port Melboure (who were missing their FF and CHF - so swung their CHB and FB to the forward line) - and he has 19 goals in 13 games. It is not as though he is a guy who creates chances or does anything when he isn't getting the footy.

You could put almost anyone at FF, clear out the 50, and direct 20-30 kicks to them and they will kick some goals. If you put Tivendale at FF, no one else in the 50, and kicked to him 25 times a day you will get a 30 goal season. You will win the wooden spoon, but you will get 30 goals.

Limbach plays FF because he can't play anywhere else. Hughes is better but is also able to play CHF - so he does. McGuane is better but is also able to play CHF, FB, CHB - so he does. If Limbach could play anywhere else he would and they'd put McGuane at FF. In an elimination final they might be tempted to do just that.

 

[Bojangles17]

26 goals in 14 games is hardly the form of an indespensible forward. Don't be tricked by his fan-club into thinking he is flying.

Take out his 7-goal haul against wooden spooners Port Melboure (who were missing their FF and CHF - so swung their CHB and FB to the forward line) - and he has 19 goals in 13 games. It is not as though he is a guy who creates chances or does anything when he isn't getting the footy.
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eh oh, here we go again weave, I can smell a big haul coming from Limbo tomorrow

 

[Weaver]

eh oh, here we go again weave, I can smell a big haul coming from Limbo tomorrow

I can smell Coburg struggling to kick 10 for the match.

 

[sante]

I can smell Coburg struggling to kick 10 for the match.

If we win you'll never hear the end of it

 

[jezza]

I can smell Coburg struggling to kick 10 for the match.

Based on what I saw I agree.

So what is the reason for the massive drop in form from the first half of the season? Young side running out of legs? Not much impact from the RFC players?

 

[tugga]

Based on what I saw I agree.

So what is the reason for the massive drop in form from the first half of the season? Young side running out of legs? Not much impact from the RFC players?

Injuries have taken their toll Jezz. Take Meyer, JON, Gaspar, Newman, Coughlan, Kellaway (and anyone else I may have missed) out of the Richmond side and it means that VFL players come up to the Richmond side, which means that Coburg is left to scrounge around the bottom of the barrel.
Running out of players. WIll get smashed by a rampant Frankston side.

 

[Weaver]

So what is the reason for the massive drop in form from the first half of the season? Young side running out of legs? Not much impact from the RFC players?

I think it is largely a quirk of the draw. We pretty much won the games we were meant to and lost all the others.

6 of our wins were against the bottom 5 teams. Box Hill (x2), Bendigo, Casey, Port Melbourne, Tasmania. We only lost once against that group, Bendigo late in the season which was disappointing.

We won at home to Werribee. Werribee opened the season 3-6 and only beat Box Hill, Casey and Bendigo. We caught them at a good time when they had no big blokes.

North Ballarat was a good win and Frankston was the only win against a top-8 side away from home.

At round 11 we were 7-4. Since round 11 we went 2-6. Wins over Tassie and Port.

Losses to Sandringham, Northern Bullants, Williamstown, Frankston and Werribee who are top-6 teams. A loss to Bendigo which was the one upset. We should have gone 3-5 from those but were never going to do better.

Fewer injuries at Richmond might have seen more of the better Richmond players at Coburg. But at the end of the day VFL teams don't rely very much on the young AFL guys.

You need a batch of 'dud' AFL players still on lists (eg Chaffey, Humm). Some dud ex-AFL players still running around (don't have any), some 20-21 year olds pushing for AFL footy but not quite cracking a game (Hartigan, Schulz, and some VFL types who are very good an often veterans (Robertson).

Look at Williamstown -

Steve Greene, Rayden Tallis, Brad Lloyd, Brett Johnson, Andrew Williams (all ex-AFL). They had had guys like Jason Cloke, Cameron Cloke, Rhyce Shaw and Chad Morrison most of the year (hardly kids), plus some good VFL types like Heath Lawry.

Look at Northern

Daniel Harford, Digby Morrell, Justin Crow, Josh Houlihan, Anthony Franchina, Frank Raso (all ex-AFL). Chris Bryan Trent Sporn, Troy Longmuir, David Teague, Luke Livingston, Ian Prendergast can't get a game at Carlton (but none are kids). Josh Vansittart, Ross Young and Anthony Hickey are VFL veterans. It is a team of guys over 23.

In contrast we have no ex-AFL players (Humm I suppose counts - Shelton technically). Injuries have meant that we haven't seen too much of Chaffey, Knobel, Stafford, Kellaway, Gaspar. Rodan would be the only 'dud' veteran getting a game at Coburg.

Lack of budget hurts Coburg.