Freo to leave Freo Oval

[estibador]

Lyon is not much chop with young players.

He's only interested in lists that can pull off that Sydney 2005 crap.

That's an outdated cliche. Lyon debuted five rookies this season even though he had mature, solid bodied players like Van Berlo and Lower in the WAFL to call on if he wished.

Then he traded out solid foot soldiers like Broughton and Lower to give more playing time to the young uns this year. And there's been an emphasis on speed and class with our recruiting, certainly doesn't look like we're trying to build a list of foot soldiers.

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

You are pretty spot on in Parrotting BigFooty orthodoxy with regards our list and Lyon but I believe all these opinions will be shown up as being untrue in the next couple of years.

We CAN win without Sandi, Pav and McPharlin.

We'll know soon enough.

 

[Benclank01]

You know, I'm going to miss the Fremantle Football Club training ground in 2016 but South Fremantle is still used as their home ground, hooray!
@ Ben Roderick

 

[Lach72]

We'll know soon enough.

The hiding we gave you on your own deck, minus Pav, sending you to Perth for the finals not fresh enough for you?

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

The hiding we gave you on your own deck, minus Pav, sending you to Perth for the finals not fresh enough for you?

Hiding? Freo were 20 points in front at 3/4 time. Do you base all of your analysis's on one game?

North were shot at the end of 2012 as the following games against GWS and WCE revealed. North and Freo are lists on polar opposite ends of the scale. You won't get any better in the foreseeable future, and we still have tons of improvement.

I don't fear Fremantle at all.

 

[Lach72]

Hiding? Freo were 20 points in front at 3/4 time. Do you base all of your analysis's on one game?

North were shot at the end of 2012 as the following games against GWS and WCE revealed. North and Freo are lists on polar opposite ends of the scale. You won't get any better in the foreseeable future, and we still have tons of improvement.

I don't fear Fremantle at all.

Rightio then Mario.
What was the score at the end of the game?

Yeah, no improvement. Our young players will stagnate while yours will just roar ahead...especially with that coach you love so much? Or have you flip flopped on that again?

 

[rgauci]

Hiding? Freo were 20 points in front at 3/4 time. Do you base all of your analysis's on one game?

North were shot at the end of 2012 as the following games against GWS and WCE revealed. North and Freo are lists on polar opposite ends of the scale. You won't get any better in the foreseeable future, and we still have tons of improvement.

I don't fear Fremantle at all.

I wouldn't trade Fyfe for any 2 of your players. We have 3 aging stars, 1 didn't play against you guys and we still won. Don't pretend your best players aren't some of your oldest, Harvey and Petrie are the wrong side of 30. You aren't in a far different situation to us. Only Richmond can boast their best players are still the right side of 27 and maybe Hawthorn. Swallow and Wells are excellent players (No different to Mundy, Barlow). I rate Ziebell and Atley as very good youngsters, but Fyfe and Hill are our 2. What has Cunnington or Bastinac done that's superior to C.Pearce or Matt DeBoer. Just because they were early picks they are meant to have a higher ceiling, but how many seasons do you have to wait before it's just output that they are judged on? Your 2 players go hard at the ball, so do ours...

But you have young forwards:

Thomas: 19 games 38 goals
Tarrant: 16 games 23 goals
Hansen: 12 games 20 goals

We might not have height, but they still get the job done:

Mayne 23 games: 39 goals
Walters 10 games: 22 goals
Ballantyne 21 games: 31 goals

Ultimately it's rose coloured glasses you're wearing, you have 'tons' of improvement, yet we have none. We also have a long list of youngsters with massive potential yet to prove anything; Morabito, Sheridan, Crozier, Mellington, Neale, Simpson, Sutcliffe, Smith, Duffy etc. I'm sure i can match their draft pick and output with anyone you mention.

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

I wouldn't trade Fyfe for any 2 of your players.

This doesn't surprise me and it frames the rest of your post.

Ultimately it's rose coloured glasses you're wearing,

LOL.

If the current batch of North youngsters don't achieve the ultimate success then it won't be Fremantle that got in their way.

- Sandilands (30) was absolutely crucial to your hot run at the end of the season. You. Do. Not. Have. Anyone. To. Replace. Him.

- McPharlin (31) is a star defender that knits the defence. Your momentum pulled up noticeably when he was out injured. You. Do. Not. Have. Anyone. To. Replace. Him.

- Freo can't beat the good sides without Pavlich (31) firing in the forward line. (Rd 2 loss to Sydney - 0 goals, Rd 8 loss to Hawthorn - 0 goals, Rd 9 loss to West Coast - 0 goals, Rd 10 loss to Adelaide - 3 goals, the only game where he stood up against a top 4 side was Rd 14 vs Collingwood - 5 goal and you still lost the match) You. Do. Not. Have. Anyone. To. Replace. Him.

Conclusion: Based on the current list, the talent coming through will not make up for these three players AND take Freo the next two steps they have to make to be a genuine premiership contender.

Lyon knows this too. It's the reason he is all over the FTA.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Ha!

Fremantle are a much, much better football side than North Melbourne. I know who I would rather play with it all on the line; as showed in the first week of finals. Freo lifted against a champion team, North went to absolute water. No amount of 'long season' 'tired players' etc. could have excused that insipid performance.

And that is coming from an Eagles fan.

 

[nicshata]

Hiding? Freo were 20 points in front at 3/4 time. Do you base all of your analysis's on one game?

North were shot at the end of 2012 as the following games against GWS and WCE revealed. North and Freo are lists on polar opposite ends of the scale. You won't get any better in the foreseeable future, and we still have tons of improvement.

I don't fear Fremantle at all.

Isnt that how you base your opinions on the best young player ever like Ziebell on that one 41 possession game ?

And dont forget hes gonna be the next voss because he broke his leg too....clue up mate

I bet the majority of AFL supporters share the opinion Fremantle has the better youngsters also

 

[estibador]

I don't fear Fremantle at all.

Yes I remember you showing a similar lack of respect for Freo before our game this year. Apparently we were getting carried away with our sequence of soft wins while North were a juggernaut steaming towards the finals. Remember that? How did that work out for you?

But apparently now we're rewriting history and claiming North were 'shot' by the time we played them. Funnily enough you didn't look too shot the week before when you dispatched Collingwood with ease. A week really is a long time in footy hey?

 

[Rob]

Christ, don't let "Rob" hear about this.

I don't know if his victim complex could stand the let down.

You really are obsessed with me aren't you?

I think you need a hobby.

 

[rgauci]

This doesn't surprise me and it frames the rest of your post.

Are you suggesting that you think one of your youngsters is superior to Fyfe?

If the current batch of North youngsters don't achieve the ultimate success then it won't be Fremantle that got in their way.

I don't think you can claim the North Melbourne youngsters are superior to Freo's. If a GWS or Gold Coast was suggesting they had a better batch of under 21's i would agree. But our drafting since 2008 has been exceptional. Like i said in my previous post, list this 'young batch' and i'll match them with an equally talented and equally young group from Fremantle.

Sandilands (30) was absolutely crucial to your hot run at the end of the season. You. Do. Not. Have. Anyone. To. Replace. Him.

Firstly, adding fullstops after every word doesn't make what you say right. No doubt Sandilands is a champion ruckman but he was hardly crucial to our successful run. It had much more to do with the fact we got Barlow, Mundy and Fyfe out on the field at the same time.

We probably have the deepest ruck division in the whole league and our succession plan is well and truly in place. Jon Griffin is more than capable leading the ruck as proven throughout the year. Sandilands went down in round 11 in the first few minutes and returned in round 21. Round 11 -20: 6 wins 3 losses. He's hardly paramount to our success.

- McPharlin (31) is a star defender that knits the defence. Your momentum pulled up noticeably when he was out injured. You. Do. Not. Have. Anyone. To. Replace. Him.

Once again enjoying the capitals. Games with McPharlin missing:

vs. Melbourne: 61 point win, he was injured in the 1st quarter, hardly competition worth bragging about
vs. Geelong Elimination final: 16 point win, away final, against the AA CHF, reasonable team performance
vs. Adelaide round 20: 27 point loss, vs. Taylor Walker, Tipett
vs. Adelaide Semi final: 10 point loss

A couple of losses to Adelaide who got within a a few kicks of a GF, not too bad.

Dawson, Johnson, Silvagni, Faulks, Smith, is reasonable depth in the KP backs. The first 2 were top 22 all year while not injured, though not at McPharlin's level have proved capable of holding down the posts when needed. Lots of teams have retirements; Rutten's not far off, Collingwood lost Tarrant, we'll have someone to play back there in the post McPharlin era when that comes around in 1-2 years. We've proven in the finals our form without him there remains competitive, very dissimilar to your finals foray.

Freo can't beat the good sides without Pavlich (31) firing in the forward line. (Rd 2 loss to Sydney - 0 goals, Rd 8 loss to Hawthorn - 0 goals, Rd 9 loss to West Coast - 0 goals, Rd 10 loss to Adelaide - 3 goals, the only game where he stood up against a top 4 side was Rd 14 vs Collingwood - 5 goal and you still lost the match) You. Do. Not. Have. Anyone. To. Replace. Him.

We beat North without Pav, so you are confirming you're not a good side. Interestingly we beat you 1 week after you beat Collingwood, perhaps your best win for the year. Pavlich only missed 1 game for the year so its hard to determine a form line.

You make the astonishing finding that a key forward has less goals when his team loses. Not super surprising, then you contradict yourself by finding games where Pavlich scores 5 and 3 goals and we still lose. So does he determine our fortunes or not?

Conclusion: Based on the current list, the talent coming through will not make up for these three players AND take Freo the next two steps they have to make to be a genuine premiership contender.

Lyon knows this too. It's the reason he is all over the FTA.

Our last game of the year vs. Adelaide, a semi final in Adelaide after 2 consecutive 6 day breaks and travelling we lose by 10 points. Pavlich is well beaten by Rutten, Sandilands loses the ruck battle to Jacobs and McPharlin isn't even playing. Our best players were Mundy, Fyfe, Mayne, Walters, Barlow, Duffield, Johnson. Some of those players are 21 years old and already playing their best games in the pressure cooker of finals, thats where our improvement is coming from. Often champions retire without premierships, Buckley retires and shortly thereafter Collingwood win a flag. Perhaps our flag will come in the post Pavlich era.

Conclusion:

North's youngsters aren't particularly better than any other AFL list, and certainly aren't some superstar dynasty waiting to happen. Some teams who finished above you have better youngsters, and i think Freo is one of them.

 

[gaskin]

I was going to reply but can't top that. That's a great post mate.

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

Are you suggesting that you think one of your youngsters is superior to Fyfe?

Only one now? Make up your mind.

Fyfe has jumped out of the gun, so the question is somewhat loaded.

I wouldn't rate any of them superior at present for various reasons, but there's a few of them that I wouldn't swap for Fyfe.

I don't think you can claim the North Melbourne youngsters are superior to Freo's.

I don't really care what you "think"

In fact, I doubt you "think" much at all.

Plenty of your kids are made to look good by the presence of Pavlich, McPharlin and the mature bodies in the midfield along with the absolute armchair ride a few of them get from Sandi.

Firstly, adding fullstops after every word doesn't make what you say right.

I find that emphasis is needed with immature posters.

No doubt Sandilands is a champion ruckman but he was hardly crucial to our successful run.

He carries your midfield. End of story.

The other mature bodied mids compliment your kids and skew their real value in the eyes of the immature football analyst.

We probably have the deepest ruck division in the whole league and our succession plan is well and truly in place. Jon Griffin is more than capable leading the ruck as proven throughout the year. Sandilands went down in round 11 in the first few minutes and returned in round 21. Round 11 -20: 6 wins 3 losses. He's hardly paramount to our success.

Solid players, but nothing like Sandilands. Freo will have MOR rucks when he hangs up the boots.

Once again enjoying the capitals. Games with McPharlin missing:

vs. Melbourne: 61 point win, he was injured in the 1st quarter, hardly competition worth bragging about

Melbourne? Are you serious?

vs. Geelong Elimination final: 16 point win, away final, against the AA CHF, reasonable team performance

There's a reason I didn't include them.They are gone.

vs. Adelaide round 20: 27 point loss, vs. Taylor Walker, Tipett

vs. Adelaide Semi final: 10 point loss

A couple of losses to Adelaide who got within a a few kicks of a GF, not too bad.

Arguably the weakest top 4 side in AFL history.

Dawson, Johnson, Silvagni, Faulks, Smith, is reasonable depth in the KP backs. The first 2 were top 22 all year while not injured, though not at McPharlin's level have proved capable of holding down the posts when needed. Lots of teams have retirements; Rutten's not far off, Collingwood lost Tarrant, we'll have someone to play back there in the post McPharlin era when that comes around in 1-2 years. We've proven in the finals our form without him there remains competitive, very dissimilar to your finals foray.

The blokes in bold wouldn't get a game in any other top 8 defence.

Your overall defence is good because you have McPharlin supported by 12 other defenders.

We beat North without Pav, so you are confirming you're not a good side. Interestingly we beat you 1 week after you beat Collingwood, perhaps your best win for the year. Pavlich only missed 1 game for the year so its hard to determine a form line.

Good sides are top 4 sides. We're not a good side yet. Neither are Fremantle.

You make the astonishing finding that a key forward has less goals when his team loses. Not super surprising, then you contradict yourself by finding games where Pavlich scores 5 and 3 goals and we still lose. So does he determine our fortunes or not?

This highlights your blinkered thickness. I made the point that Pav is crucial to you having any chance of becoming a top 4 side, he's 31 years old, and you have no adequate replacement for him.

Our last game of the year vs. Adelaide, a semi final in Adelaide after 2 consecutive 6 day breaks and travelling we lose by 10 points. Pavlich is well beaten by Rutten, Sandilands loses the ruck battle to Jacobs and McPharlin isn't even playing. Our best players were Mundy, Fyfe, Mayne, Walters, Barlow, Duffield, Johnson. Some of those players are 21 years old and already playing their best games in the pressure cooker of finals, thats where our improvement is coming from. Often champions retire without premierships, Buckley retires and shortly thereafter Collingwood win a flag. Perhaps our flag will come in the post Pavlich era.

Please, enough with regurgitating the Adelaide crap. You're embarrassing yourself.

Have they made these pair Adelaide losses in to a DVD box set over in W.A.?

You couldn't beat a top 4 side. We beat two of them.

Conclusion:

North's youngsters aren't particularly better than any other AFL list, and certainly aren't some superstar dynasty waiting to happen. Some teams who finished above you have better youngsters, and i think Freo is one of them.

Conclusion:

I would prefer the opinion of my neighbors Jack Russell Terrier over yours.

 

[shenanigans]

I don't really care what you "think"

In fact, I doubt you "think" much at all.

Plenty of your kids are made to look good by the presence of Pavlich, McPharlin and the mature bodies in the midfield along with the absolute armchair ride a few of them get from Sandi.

Biggest load of crap I've ever read on BF. Stop posting you're embarrassing yourself.
Oh, and good luck in 2013 with Brad Scott, the only AFL coach too stupid to tag Hill.

 

[Jezzitizle]

Only one now? Make up your mind.

Fyfe has jumped out of the gun, so the question is somewhat loaded.

I wouldn't rate any of them superior at present for various reasons, but there's a few of them that I wouldn't swap for Fyfe.



I don't really care what you "think"

In fact, I doubt you "think" much at all.

Plenty of your kids are made to look good by the presence of Pavlich, McPharlin and the mature bodies in the midfield along with the absolute armchair ride a few of them get from Sandi.



I find that emphasis is needed with immature posters.



He carries your midfield. End of story.

The other mature bodied mids compliment your kids and skew their real value in the eyes of the immature football analyst.



Solid players, but nothing like Sandilands. Freo will have MOR rucks when he hangs up the boots.



Melbourne? Are you serious?



There's a reason I didn't include them.They are gone.



Arguably the weakest top 4 side in AFL history.



The blokes in bold wouldn't get a game in any other top 8 defence.

You overall defence is good because you have McPharlin supported by 12 other defenders.



Good sides are top 4 sides. We're not a good side yet. Neither are Fremantle.



This highlights you blinkered thickness. I made the point that Pav is crucial to you having any chance of becoming a top 4 side, he's 31 years old, and you have no adequate replacement for him.



Please, enough with regurgitating the Adelaide crap. You're embarrassing yourself.

Have they made these pair Adelaide losses in to a DVD box set over in W.A.?

You couldn't beat a top 4 side. We beat two of them.



Conclusion:

I would prefer the opinion of my neighbors Jack Russell Terrier over yours.

Meh, say whatever you like. Last time we played you, we smashed you on your home ground. Until we play next time all you can do is grind your teeth. There is no way Sandi carries the midfield. Sure he is good, but Griffin is pretty good too. And we have some talent coming through after that. The ruck is lowest on our list of problems. Its the worst place to start your criticisms. It would be the equivalent of saying north don't have any tough young inside midfielders, its just a stupid thing to say.

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

Meh, say whatever you like. Last time we played you, we smashed you on your home ground. Until we play next time all you can do is grind your teeth. There is no way Sandi carries the midfield. Sure he is good, but Griffin is pretty good too. And we have some talent coming through after that. The ruck is lowest on our list of problems. Its the worst place to start your criticisms. It would be the equivalent of saying north don't have any tough young inside midfielders, its just a stupid thing to say.

Yeah, and the time before that we smashed you by 98 points. So what?

You don't see me gloating about it like it back to back premierships.

 

[Forward Press]

Multi-quotes, multi-quotes everywhere.

I find it staggering posters are arguing that, based on what we've seen in 2012, North are closer to a flag to Freo.

Might just be Meltdown Mario I suppose...

 

[W.C. Fry]

Thread has gone to shit due to a North fans dribble.

Back on track. Lol. Cockburn!!

 

[Bouvet_Island]

... about 15 minutes down the road in Cockburn (or Success, depending on where you choose to draw the town line if you're sensitive about funny suburb names)....

Since Cockburn is the council, and Success is the suburb...

 

[Farang83150]

Only one now? Make up your mind.

Fyfe has jumped out of the gun, so the question is somewhat loaded.

I wouldn't rate any of them superior at present for various reasons, but there's a few of them that I wouldn't swap for Fyfe.



I don't really care what you "think"

In fact, I doubt you "think" much at all.

Plenty of your kids are made to look good by the presence of Pavlich, McPharlin and the mature bodies in the midfield along with the absolute armchair ride a few of them get from Sandi.



I find that emphasis is needed with immature posters.



He carries your midfield. End of story.

The other mature bodied mids compliment your kids and skew their real value in the eyes of the immature football analyst.



Solid players, but nothing like Sandilands. Freo will have MOR rucks when he hangs up the boots.



Melbourne? Are you serious?



There's a reason I didn't include them.They are gone.



Arguably the weakest top 4 side in AFL history.



The blokes in bold wouldn't get a game in any other top 8 defence.

Your overall defence is good because you have McPharlin supported by 12 other defenders.



Good sides are top 4 sides. We're not a good side yet. Neither are Fremantle.



This highlights your blinkered thickness. I made the point that Pav is crucial to you having any chance of becoming a top 4 side, he's 31 years old, and you have no adequate replacement for him.



Please, enough with regurgitating the Adelaide crap. You're embarrassing yourself.

Have they made these pair Adelaide losses in to a DVD box set over in W.A.?

You couldn't beat a top 4 side. We beat two of them.



Conclusion:

I would prefer the opinion of my neighbors Jack Russell Terrier over yours.

Cant stand Freo but at least the Freo supporter made a good argument, you've actually made yourself look like a dead set clueless toss with your above post.

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

Cant stand Freo but at least the Freo supporter made a good argument, you've actually made yourself look like a dead set clueless toss with your above post.

We shall see.

Just remember to come back and declare me a genius if I end up being correct.

Don't be a stranger.

Apparently they were offering Lachie Hansen 4 x $500K.

I predict that Fremantle will have to go on free agent raids.

Why?

Because they have to.

 

[Jezzitizle]

Yeah, and the time before that we smashed you by 98 points. So what?

You don't see me gloating about it like it back to back premierships.

You are the one talking about tons of improvement, but Freo were the ones who showed some. The point is, until it happens, stfu. When you are better than 8th spot and a finals flogging you can start talking about your much vaunted though rarely sighted youngsters.

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

You are the one talking about tons of improvement, but Freo were the ones who showed some. The point is, until it happens, stfu. When you are better than 8th spot and a finals flogging you can start talking about your much vaunted though rarely sighted youngsters.

We beat two top 4 sides, and we are the younger side..

Freo didn't beat any.