What do we make of the Fact Sheet on the Power site? Are they blaming the Magpies current ills on the SANFL, or wondering out loud what happened to all that money the Magpies were left with?
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First and foremost. The SANFL were, are and always will be a bunch anti-Port gits who really must have suffered when the Port bid for the second license was so clearly superior to any other even they couldn't find a way of not selecting it. The SANFL did their best to ensure the Magpies were setup to fail by not allowing the PAFC to have a team in each league.
Of course the current Magpies are going to fail in the long run or at best become a very weak club off field. With no connection to the original magpies club the PAFC allowed who do they think is going to support them ? 'Here you go people, here's a club from Port who have nothing to do with the Port in the AFL, but as a sop happen to have the same name Port did when in the SANFL'. Yeah, that's going to get the supporters and sponsors fighting to support them.
Like the AFL hierarchy the SANFL won't admit they've made a mistake though. There are only two viable options that will stop the rot.
1) The magpies becomes the drop back team for all Power players - similar to the arrangements Victorian clubs have with VFL clubs nowdays.
2) The PAFC takes over the PAMFC, leaving the PAFC to field a Magpies team in the SANFL. Thereby allowing asset and revenue sharing to reduce overheads and again having the Magpies of old back.
Old Max Basheer and his boys don't have the balls to propose either. And even if they did the other SANFL clubs would then complain about favourable treatment and unfair advantages. Leaves me wishing the new magpies would just fold up and go. Lets all remember the Magpies as they were - a proud part of the history of the PAFC and not have this half-arsed traversity inflicted on us any longer.
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As for the SANFL being anti-Port, well what do you expect when Port are so anti-SANFL? Trying to backdoor their way into the AFL in 1990.
These complaints would be well founded. Why should the Magpies recieve all the perks of an AFL side?
As for the SANFL being anti-Port, well what do you expect when Port are so anti-SANFL? Trying to backdoor their way into the AFL in 1990.
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But we weren't the only ones using the back door...........
But we weren't the only ones using the back door...........
The Port Magpies are the B*****d son of the real Port Adelaide that the Port Power would dearly love to just fade away so that their consciencewould not have to bother them,
SHAME, SHAME, SHAME.
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How would Glenelg, West, Sturt etc. fare if the SANFL shuffled them off to another ground and told them they had to wear that relocation cost. And when that ground is at Ethelton, how do they expect Port to make any cash out of a club up there? Everyone who follows Port still goes to Alberton and naturally the only team that garners any income from that is the Power. Oh, I know what the small **** brigade will say about this, that Port should look after it's own team. Except the SANFL is at pains to point out that the two are separate entities. Unfortunately we have a huge debt we still have to pay, it will be paid back soon but then the SANFL will be stretching their hands out for more. And what will they do? Waste at least 10% in admin costs and distribute it piecemeal to the clubs.
The Magpies should never have been moved from Alberton, the weak excuses of "they'll have superior facilities" and "they'll be able to train with AFL players" sound so ridiculous when you think of them today.
The SANFL are just playing into the Vics hands; first the SANFL was devastated when the Cows entered the AFL and now Port are in it is even weaker. If the Magpies fold we will have a complete mickey mouse league and I'll have to agree with Victorians that SA premierships aren't worth a clacker.
The Magpies should never have been moved from Alberton, the weak excuses of "they'll have superior facilities" and "they'll be able to train with AFL players" sound so ridiculous when you think of them today.
The SANFL are just playing into the Vics hands; first the SANFL was devastated when the Cows entered the AFL and now Port are in it is even weaker. If the Magpies fold we will have a complete mickey mouse league and I'll have to agree with Victorians that SA premierships aren't worth a clacker.
The comp would be much weaker today had Port (& Norwood) not moved in 1990 to join the then VFL. The reason, simple, all the top line players would currently still be playing in the VFL/AFL not the SANFL, it happened a lot in the mid-late 90's and it would of continued. Either way the SANFL wouldn't have been as strong as it was in the 80's whether Port did anything or not.
You can't blame either Port nor the SANFL nor Norwood but you can blame Money and the Victorian clubs (i guess), even though it could be argued that many of these melbourne teams would have foulded due to financial hardships by now.
At the end of the day what happened happened and all parties must deal with it now. The Port Magpies situation isn't great but i doubt the SANFL would allow them to bow out of the comp, something will be done either from within or with the SANFL's help.
The SANFL stuffed up by insisting that the PAFC have no ties with the PAMFC upon the creation of the POWER. They deliberatly done this as they believed that the magpies would be advantaged by the AFL club. So they slaughtered their strongest team to achieve this, and created a weaker version. Why would any league kill their best club and not realize the consequences of that action being weakening of their own league. The Magpies were always the standard bearer of the SANFL and their suffering is shared by the league.
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It has nothing to do with perks. The original Port Magpies were a team of the PAFC and should have remained so. It has nothing to do with advantages or disadvantages over other SANFL clubs.
The SANFL and the PAFC don't like each other so the SANFL should leave the PAFC to do it's own thing. Sell them the sub-license and just rent out AAMI stadium for their use. The Crows are a creation of the SANFL so their arrangements are going to be different and should remain as is.
It has nothing to do with perks. The original Port Magpies were a team of the PAFC and should have remained so. It has nothing to do with advantages or disadvantages over other SANFL clubs.
The SANFL and the PAFC don't like each other so the SANFL should leave the PAFC to do it's own thing. Sell them the sub-license and just rent out AAMI stadium for their use. The Crows are a creation of the SANFL so their arrangements are going to be different and should remain as is.
Just a quick question guys ( you will have to excuse me, im a Hawthorn supporter living in SA, but im curious)- if Port Power and Port Magpies are totally different clubs, why does it seem that the Magpies are so dependent on what Port Power earn? Or is it a similar affiliation like that of the VFL clubs in Victoria?
The two clubs share revenue from Alberton pokies etc. if I remember correctly. The Magpies getting about 10% of said revenue. The affliation is nothing official except the above and Port Magpies playing home games at Alberton oval. The SANFL very throughly ensured the new magpies wouldn't have any ties with the PAFC that would help them in a way other SANFL clubs weren't helped - of course they forgot that the other SANFL clubs already had premises, licensed venues they have full revenue from etc. and diffferent supporter bases so those clubs wouldn't need help from PAFC whilst the new PAMFC would in order to be a success.
Of course the SANFL would not have had these problems if they'd admitted Port in 91 and Norwood in 97. The SANFL would have remained a strong viable competition. Nowdays it's little more then amateur league in attendances and organisation.
Because the Port Power have borrowed the Port Magpies tradition, heritage & worst of all there sanfl premierships & refuse to hand them back!!!
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And not only would SANFL attendances be higher than their current level, but they wouldn't have any trouble filling Footy Park...
Why should the SANFL reward a club that lied, stabbed it in the back & continued to smile at all & sundry as if butter wouldn't melt in there mouth,
Port in 91 !! think yourself fortunate you got in in 97,
Who wouldn't have any trouble filling Footy Park ?
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Port don't. Norwood probably wouldn't. Your team does. Face your failure for a change - Port hold the record for attendances, despite all those 'sellouts' you always say you have.
I guess all those empty seats at the Paps home games [bar 3] last year were just an illusion or something,
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I refuse to answer that question on the grounds of no matter what i say i'll cop it,
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Legally, when you speak once you have given up your right to silence, so it's probably a good idea to answer the question.
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You fill it to the point where you consider it was worth getting a glass of water.
I'd say pretty much every Port game gets enough of a crowd that it was worth holding the game (ie. comfortably over minimum required crowd for profit), with only a few notable exceptions such as Port vs Geelong on Saturday afternoon this year.
At the end of the day, given the limited supporter base, the crowds are and will always be consistent.Originally posted by DaveW
So the stadium's not half empty its half full?
Not only that, but crowd numbers will probably increase with supporters from other SANFL clubs over time.
Like it or not, it can be argued that Port are THE team that stands for all the SANFL clubs.
Here we have two clubs, one that implies, SANFL clubs are not good enough to compete on their own with the likes of St Kilda, Bulldogs, Fitzroy etc, and another that says "that is a load of crap" and is going about it the right way to prove it.
Not that it needed any proof in the first place.
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