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[M Malice]

If only you knew. They can be just as hard for govt departments. In this case the building is listed but not the vista it's set in. Add that in there and it's a nightmare!

I don't think a heritage listing is going to stop a new stadium being built at the Gabba or the Olympics going ahead... maybe just a bit more posturing and a small delay. They have a mountain of time to get it sorted.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

I don't think a heritage listing is going to stop a new stadium being built at the Gabba or the Olympics going ahead... maybe just a bit more posturing and a small delay. They have a mountain of time to get it sorted.

Sounds like the buildings stay ...

The heritage-listed buildings at the site would be preserved and used for another purpose, such as a museum, Ms Grace said. Link

If that's the case and the buildings remain as is on site, some of the concerns on the P&C would be mitigated i.e. not tearing down historic buildings.

 

[M Malice]

Sounds like the buildings stay ...



If that's the case and the buildings remain as is on site, some of the concerns on the P&C would be mitigated i.e. not tearing down historic buildings.

Great idea, maybe our version of the MCG sports museum, went through that a few years ago and it was terrific.

 

[lionraven]

As a kombucha sipping inner city person, some of these nimbies need to find some concrete to add into their babychinos.

Im tired of these numpties holding everything back. I live in Moorooka and I am sick of them. We cant transition to becoming a modern city because of these bags of sand.

In Moorooka the government is planning to rezone the magic mile to mixed midlevel residential up to 8 stories. It would be right next to the train station so anyone working in the city couls catch a train within walking distance. Yet these nimby neighbours of mine are having a huge fit over this. They want the government to protect our old 1940s fibro asbestos workers cottages we live in. My house is shit in terms of energy use. Fibro does **** all for insulation. The house heats up massively throughout summer and then is frozen in winter. Yet I am always nervous getting anything done in the house because of the risk of disturbing the asbestos. These guys want to protect such shit houses.

Yet I am very lucky to live here next to a bus line that takes me to work on the city in 20 to 30 mintues. My brother is ****ed. He has to move out to Logan or Springfield.

Queensland heritage is trash. We dont need to preserve these shit teir buildings that are energy ineffective and toxic. We need to be rethinking our inner city. Having standalone houses 5kms to where all the jobs are results in thousands of people having to move out 50km away, destroy more farmland for trash suburbs and then clog up the motorway every peak hour. Or these people end up homeless.

Im glad the government is telling this school to harden up and deal with it. I hope they have similar gumption in telling my nimby neighbours to suck on a lemon. We need to build more housing and get more people living within and using all this public transport we have built. Thats how we will become a better city. Not by building more suburban sprawl on creek beds, flood plains or farmland 50kms away from any jobs.

Sorry for the rant.

 

[Kernel Kurtz]

As a kombucha sipping inner city person, some of these nimbies need to find some concrete to add into their babychinos.

Im tired of these numpties holding everything back. I live in Moorooka and I am sick of them. We cant transition to becoming a modern city because of these bags of sand.

In Moorooka the government is planning to rezone the magic mile to mixed midlevel residential up to 8 stories. It would be right next to the train station so anyone working in the city couls catch a train within walking distance. Yet these nimby neighbours of mine are having a huge fit over this. They want the government to protect our old 1940s fibro asbestos workers cottages we live in. My house is s**t in terms of energy use. Fibro does * all for insulation. The house heats up massively throughout summer and then is frozen in winter. Yet I am always nervous getting anything done in the house because of the risk of disturbing the asbestos. These guys want to protect such s**t houses.

Yet I am very lucky to live here next to a bus line that takes me to work on the city in 20 to 30 mintues. My brother is ****ed. He has to move out to Logan or Springfield.

Queensland heritage is trash. We dont need to preserve these s**t teir buildings that are energy ineffective and toxic. We need to be rethinking our inner city. Having standalone houses 5kms to where all the jobs are results in thousands of people having to move out 50km away, destroy more farmland for trash suburbs and then clog up the motorway every peak hour. Or these people end up homeless.

Im glad the government is telling this school to harden up and deal with it. I hope they have similar gumption in telling my nimby neighbours to suck on a lemon. We need to build more housing and get more people living within and using all this public transport we have built. Thats how we will become a better city. Not by building more suburban sprawl on creek beds, flood plains or farmland 50kms away from any jobs.

Sorry for the rant.

Don't know what your raving about, there seems to be more focus on new builds and the economy than any saving of old buildings from what i can see.
And yes get rid of the old fibro houses , no problem , but when you have an old building, character build and you watch it get demoloished or reclocated to another suburb it can be disapointing when you consider the character and history it adds.
We got sold hey we need to densify Brisbane , you'll get cafes everywhere better public transport, upgrade in roads and that infrastructure.
What a load of shit.
We will always be behind overpopulation in terms of public transport , roads etc.
To be honest, I live in Manly and watch the old queenslanders get demoed all the time , just to e see two houses go on the block and crowd the streets with parked cars and trailers.
See what you did, you got me raving.

 

[dlanod]

As a kombucha sipping inner city person, some of these nimbies need to find some concrete to add into their babychinos.

Im tired of these numpties holding everything back. I live in Moorooka and I am sick of them. We cant transition to becoming a modern city because of these bags of sand.

If you told me when I lived in Brisbane that Moorooka would ever be considered part of the inner city I would have been split between being knocked over with a feather and telling you you're full of shit!

 

[M Malice]

I live in Fairfield an inner Brisbane suburb and IMO we are doing a great job re development, within a few kilometres of me you will see plenty of multi level apartments and more being built, they are always aesthetically pleasing to my eye and incorporate in them lots of landscaping/street scaping. So much renovating of old Queenslanders being done as well and IMO they look fantastic when completed. Train line/stations being upgraded to incorporate the cross river rail, bikeways being added and/or upgraded.

Plenty of room for both apartment living and stand alone housing, you want a mix for a good look/vibe.

I wouldn't want to live anywhere else, can walk 100 meters to Coles, cycle 4km to and from Yoga/Pilates, walk 3km to the Gabba for Lions games, lots of pubs, cafes and restaurants, and also plenty of green space and walking paths around.

 

[Son of Superboot]

What will happen with the Gabba's sporting events and East Brisbane State School during Olympics redevelopment? - ABC News

amp.abc.net.au

Austin Gibbs from the P&C said the organisation had been met with a "wall of silence" from the state government since Brisbane was confirmed as the host of the Games.

"You're going to bulldoze a 125-year-old school, you're going $3 billion into debt, and for what? To get an extra 5,000 seats or so in the stadium that'll probably get used once a year," Mr Gibbs said.

"We're just struggling to understand the logic of the decision."

Wot?

As president of the P+C, Mr Gibbs should be well aware of the $$$ the P+C make when they have sausage sizzle on game days

 

[BuntonRules]

Although it is not country, I would imagine the air quality at Coorparoo campus is a damn sight better than in the current primary school playground.

 

[MSB ROYS]

I live in New Farm - is that inner, inner city?

 

[M Malice]

I live in New Farm - is that inner, inner city?

I vote inner suburb, according to google it is 3.1km from city hall, Fairfield is listed as 5.6km so you are more inner than me.

 

[briztoon]

Although it is not country, I would imagine the air quality at Coorparoo campus is a damn sight better than in the current primary school playground.

I’d be surprised if it was any different.

 

[briztoon]

To be honest, I live in Manly and watch the old queenslanders get demoed all the time , just to e see two houses go on the block and crowd the streets with parked cars and trailers.
See what you did, you got me raving.

So much wasted realestate.

All those Manly rebuilds should have underground car parks.

BCC should make all residential street parking require a yearly permit. Everywhere.

 

[Tassie4ever]

Don't know what your raving about, there seems to be more focus on new builds and the economy than any saving of old buildings from what i can see.
And yes get rid of the old fibro houses , no problem , but when you have an old building, character build and you watch it get demoloished or reclocated to another suburb it can be disapointing when you consider the character and history it adds.
We got sold hey we need to densify Brisbane , you'll get cafes everywhere better public transport, upgrade in roads and that infrastructure.
What a load of s**t.
We will always be behind overpopulation in terms of public transport , roads etc.
To be honest, I live in Manly and watch the old queenslanders get demoed all the time , just to e see two houses go on the block and crowd the streets with parked cars and trailers.
See what you did, you got me raving.

I live in Jindalee. Within 6 houses or so of where we live we've seen 2 perfectly good houses, each built in the 70's, knocked down and where there were 2 there are now 6 houses. Each with 2 vehicles which are mostly parked on the street, since the houses are too small to accomodate them, producing an obvious traffic hazard.

On complaining to Council I am told that is the "as of right" entitlement of the developer to do so. No objections will be entertained. Minimum block size 400m2 [it's 300m2 at Ipswich I'm told]. Just send Council photos of the parked cars. Which are able legally to park opposite each other with just about enough room to squeeze past.

It's not just the inner city that gets dudded. Then again we cross the Centenary highway most mornings, which is almost always like a car park. Who would think that importing a population equal to that of Tasmania each year would create traffic and housing problems. And now, shortly it would appear, an electricity shortage. We are lead by idiots at every level.

 

[Section 5]

I live in Jindalee. Within 6 houses or so of where we live we've seen 2 perfectly good houses, each built in the 70's, knocked down and where there were 2 there are now 6 houses. Each with 2 vehicles which are mostly parked on the street, since the houses are too small to accomodate them, producing an obvious traffic hazard.

On complaining to Council I am told that is the "as of right" entitlement of the developer to do so. No objections will be entertained. Minimum block size 400m2 [it's 300m2 at Ipswich I'm told]. Just send Council photos of the parked cars. Which are able legally to park opposite each other with just about enough room to squeeze past.

It's not just the inner city that gets dudded. Then again we cross the Centenary highway most mornings, which is almost always like a car park. Who would think that importing a population equal to that of Tasmania each year would create traffic and housing problems. And now, shortly it would appear, an electricity shortage. We are lead by idiots at every level.

I live in Everton Park.
Across the road from me is 4 x 303m2 blocks of land for sale. So, Brisbane or parts of Brisbane must also be able to go that small.
Admittingly the 2 previous houses (land 2 x 606m2) they demolished were way beyond saving.

 

[acuguy]

I live in New Farm - is that inner, inner city?

I grew up in New Farm in the 1980s. It was much better then. It was also much cheaper!

 

[MSB ROYS]

I grew up in New Farm in the 1980s. It was much better then. It was also much cheaper!

Been here since the 1990s myself. The suburb has definitely changed and I agree not all for the better.

 

[RoyBoy17]

Excited to see what plans they come up with for the stadium. Hopefully something diff to Perth stadium which is pretty much a smaller modernised replica of the MCG. Would be nice to see the stadium maintain its close feel/ colosseum type atmosphere and have some sort of defining characteristics that make it unique compared to other stadia in the country

 

[Fatcat08]

Would be interesting to see what the demolition beal down is for the project. Guessing it will be much higher than usual projects of the same size.

Also will be interesting to see if construction costs do come down a bit by the time they award the contract as well.

 

[briztoon]

Would be interesting to see what the demolition beal down is for the project. Guessing it will be much higher than usual projects of the same size.

Also will be interesting to see if construction costs do come down a bit by the time they award the contract as well.

Genuine question, do such costs ever go down?

 

[dlanod]

Genuine question, do such costs ever go down?

Two scenarios - one, they drop the construction costs when awarding the contract and then costs "blow out" back to the original estimate or above in the end.
Two, they add in a heap of costs or assumptions and it comes in "under budget" because some of the assumptions were incorrect.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

As a kombucha sipping inner city person, some of these nimbies need to find some concrete to add into their babychinos.

Im tired of these numpties holding everything back. I live in Moorooka and I am sick of them. We cant transition to becoming a modern city because of these bags of sand.

In Moorooka the government is planning to rezone the magic mile to mixed midlevel residential up to 8 stories. It would be right next to the train station so anyone working in the city couls catch a train within walking distance. Yet these nimby neighbours of mine are having a huge fit over this. They want the government to protect our old 1940s fibro asbestos workers cottages we live in. My house is s**t in terms of energy use. Fibro does * all for insulation. The house heats up massively throughout summer and then is frozen in winter. Yet I am always nervous getting anything done in the house because of the risk of disturbing the asbestos. These guys want to protect such s**t houses.

Yet I am very lucky to live here next to a bus line that takes me to work on the city in 20 to 30 mintues. My brother is ****ed. He has to move out to Logan or Springfield.

Queensland heritage is trash. We dont need to preserve these s**t teir buildings that are energy ineffective and toxic. We need to be rethinking our inner city. Having standalone houses 5kms to where all the jobs are results in thousands of people having to move out 50km away, destroy more farmland for trash suburbs and then clog up the motorway every peak hour. Or these people end up homeless.

Im glad the government is telling this school to harden up and deal with it. I hope they have similar gumption in telling my nimby neighbours to suck on a lemon. We need to build more housing and get more people living within and using all this public transport we have built. Thats how we will become a better city. Not by building more suburban sprawl on creek beds, flood plains or farmland 50kms away from any jobs.

Sorry for the rant.

I'm struggling to understand what 1940s cottages being converted to medium density apartments has to do with a primary school having to move because the government wants to demolish and rebuild a perfectly functional stadium on the same site. People tend to want easy access to schools.

 

[Fatcat08]

I'm struggling to understand what 1940s cottages being converted to medium density apartments has to do with a primary school having to move because the government wants to demolish and rebuild a perfectly functional stadium on the same site. People tend to want easy access to schools.

I don't think the words perfectly functional really describe the Gabba accurately. It's one evolution in accessibility legislation from having to undergo a very serious structural retrofit. Not to mention all the other issues with it.

Now that is not an attempt to get into the whole should the school be moved for it or not. Was merely comment on the condition of the Gabba itself. On a pure stadium assessment it's extremely close to end of usable life and when I say close I'm talking 20 years or so.

Now of the govt hadn't made a grand statement around no land repossessions for the games they probably could have found a better outcome for the school. But maybe not

 

[Fatcat08]

Genuine question, do such costs ever go down?

Sometimes even on govt projects. Or what usually happens, scope creep extends and other items get added onto it. What would be interesting is whether that's just the stadium build or whether that covers road crosses and surrounding infrastructure. If it goes higher more things will be added to the supporting infrastructure bill

 

[weevil]

Genuine question, do such costs ever go down?

When talking about the costs, shouldn't we be keeping in mind that the games will also bring revenue in?

That revenue may or may not be enough for the games to break even. But even if they don't, they should at the very least put very significant dents in the final costings.

If the games did poorly and lost say a billion, isn’t a brand-new state-of-the-art stadium and a massive amount of infrastructure and venue upgrades across the city still a pretty good deal?