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[Grasshopper17]

Because they don't have a plan. I spoke to a few Greens volunteers who spoke about this issue, which came up in multiple electorates when door knocking. They reckon that Qld Greens MPs don't have an actual alternative for the school or the stadium.

That's because it involves progress.

 

[Section 5]

Can't imagine the LNP Lord Mayor would be saying this to the LNP Premier unless it was genuinely a possibility.

Also quite a turn from how vehemently Schrinner came out against a Vic Park stadium at the start of the year.

Lord Mayor Says Victoria Park Must Be Considered In Olympic Venue Review

Thanks for showing the article.
Just noting the Lord Mayor is Liberal party only, The Premier is LNP with his main allegiance to the Liberals.
However, in power the Premier may find things more difficult to keep both his parties views aligned.
For arguments sake, i doubt the Nationals give a dam about a new stadium in Brisbane or possibly the Olympics in general.

From the article it's hard to know who is doing the review. People he will appoint for a review like Miles did.
Or will it come from this authority mentioned in the article "his promised 100-day review sometime next month, when the board of the independent Olympic infrastructure delivery authority was constituted."

With typical government fast-tracking, it may unfold like this:
People he appoints pass on the report exactly 100 days after starting.
The report is given to the newly constituted authority for review.
The authority read the review and question quite a few details in that report, this takes some time to clarify.
Once satisfied, the authority passes the amended report to Crisafulli.
Crisafulli takes days to absorb what is in the report.
He calls a press conference to tell everyone he rejects their findings.

 

[Section 5]

I like this image of The Gabba from above. It was taken some time ago.
Either before they finished the roof or after a portion of the roof was removed when a huge storm hit the area.

The image is one of the better ones that shows the real problem with space available around the existing stadium.
The area i marked is the only way i see to get extra land for the stadium.
The building fronting Main Street on the right is heritage listed.
This entails demolishing the 12 story "Gabba Towers" building. I believe it is owned by the Government so that helps.
The school is on the left.

Even permanently closing one of Stanley, Vulture or Main Street would not help.

 

[iameviljez]

I like this image of The Gabba from above. It was taken some time ago.
Either before they finished the roof or after a portion of the roof was removed when a huge storm hit the area.

The image is one of the better ones that shows the real problem with space available around the existing stadium.
The area i marked is the only way i see to get extra land for the stadium.
The building fronting Main Street on the right is heritage listed.
This entails demolishing the 12 story "Gabba Towers" building. I believe it is owned by the Government so that helps.
The school is on the left.

Even permanently closing one of Stanley, Vulture or Main Street would not help.

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Yeah, this is literally the only thing holding the Gabba back - it's the squeeze between the major roads.

FWIW, I still think it should be the Gabba, and the ground needs to be elevated to fit this. But I get the issue.

 

[Walshawk]

I like this image of The Gabba from above. It was taken some time ago.
Either before they finished the roof or after a portion of the roof was removed when a huge storm hit the area.

The image is one of the better ones that shows the real problem with space available around the existing stadium.
The area i marked is the only way i see to get extra land for the stadium.
The building fronting Main Street on the right is heritage listed.
This entails demolishing the 12 story "Gabba Towers" building. I believe it is owned by the Government so that helps.
The school is on the left.

Even permanently closing one of Stanley, Vulture or Main Street would not help.

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If you make the oval a little longer, and more narrow (like Optus), it fits better.

 

[iameviljez]

Can't imagine the LNP Lord Mayor would be saying this to the LNP Premier unless it was genuinely a possibility.

Disagree - the cooperation between the various levels of government doesn't always follow party lines.

Besides, Brisbane itself is really what saved the ALP from getting completely wiped out this year. Schrinner will do himself no electoral harm by not getting too matey with Crisafulli.

 

[McIvor]

I like this image of The Gabba from above. It was taken some time ago.
Either before they finished the roof or after a portion of the roof was removed when a huge storm hit the area.

The image is one of the better ones that shows the real problem with space available around the existing stadium.
The area i marked is the only way i see to get extra land for the stadium.
The building fronting Main Street on the right is heritage listed.
This entails demolishing the 12 story "Gabba Towers" building. I believe it is owned by the Government so that helps.
The school is on the left.

Even permanently closing one of Stanley, Vulture or Main Street would not help.

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Knock it down, sell the land, do whatever with the site - proves even more how much we need a new stadium at the Vic Park site in nice surroudnings like MCG, SCG, Adelaide Oval, Optus Stadium.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Taking in the brilliance of The Games on ABC iView. I look forward to hearing about all of these issues in the run-up to our games.

 

[GenericUsername202]

Does anyone remember the Greg Swann interview he gave back when he first joined the club? I love Swanny, but he genuinely thought there wasn't enough Brisbane Lions fans in Queensland and asked AFL fans in QLD who supported other teams to support the lions as their second team. To go from that to where we are now is astounding. And once the new stadium is built (wherver it may be), we will easily eclipse 70k members. Which says a lot considering we struggled to crack 15k during the banter era. I think that's the amazing part of the stadium plans to me. Once it's built, it will show just how far we've come as a club. Something I think rarely few thought would be possible back in 2013-2014.

 

[ZoBlitz]

Taking in the brilliance of The Games on ABC iView. I look forward to hearing about all of these issues in the run-up to our games.

There's an even a bit where John talks to the AFL CEO and he goes through all the days/time slots that games are being scheduled at now but it doesn't matter that fans don't want to go as it's all about the corporates. And this was 1998/99 and it's only gotten worse since then.

 

[Section 5]

Channel 7 news tonight a minute or two on The Gabba possible rebuild.
School P & C not happy again.

 

[dlanod]

Taking in the brilliance of The Games on ABC iView. I look forward to hearing about all of these issues in the run-up to our games.

I look forward to the 100m!

 

[SizeMatters]

what's this Hamilton proposal? does it have any genuine legs?

 

[Nunez]

what's this Hamilton proposal? does it have any genuine legs?

0% chance.

 

[Dalions]

what's this Hamilton proposal? does it have any genuine legs?

Similar to QSAC in regards to Public Transport

 

[StevoJenkins]

Channel 7 news tonight a minute or two on The Gabba possible rebuild.
School P & C not happy again.

There are many responses I can make to this that I will not. If you know, you know

 

[Perrip]

Brisbane Times

 

[Grasshopper17]

Brisbane Times

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Yet another example of the Greens (a) opposing progress and (b) just being plain wrong.



Well, no Seal, they're not completely incompatible. Victoria Park is ENORMOUS. As that little girl in the GIFs is very fond of saying...

Also, the positioning of the stadium in that map is interesting. The Brisbane Bold proposal (a graphic of which is included in the above article, somewhat confusingly and contradictorily) has the stadium in the north east corner of the park, on the eastern side of the ICB, which would be completely covered over under their (very excellent) proposal.

It's disappointing the quality of reporting of this whole saga has been so poor as to not provide any distinction between the B-grade proposal favoured by Graham Quirk in his report, and the Brisbane Bold proposal which is a far superior proposal on virtually every measure.

 

[Perrip]

Yet another example of the Greens (a) opposing progress and (b) just being plain wrong

It's funny she suggests that Council is being shady about including a possible stadium location in their plans. That just seems like good planning rather than a conspiracy.
Like, if Vic Park is greenlit by State, great there's an area in Vic Park it can go. Instead of a Vic Park stadium being greenlit by State requiring BCC to immediately change their plans for the area of land where the stadium is being built.

Also, come to think of it it's strange there was no mention in the Quirk Review of a Vic Park stadium possibly forcing the closure of the Vic Park Golf Complex.

 

[Section 5]

Brisbane Times

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I can't read the article due to the pay wall. So will just go on the image you provided.
I walked Victoria Park the other day and there did not appear to be enough room in that section outlined for a stadium.
You also have the busway going underneath in that section.
Those carparks for putt putt, driving range, restaurant and function centers was full the day i visited on a weekday.
I had to wait till someone was leaving to get a park. There are a lot of carparks.
The ground in that section is less hilly than other parts of the park. Thats the only positive i see.
But if that's where a stadium can get approval then fine with me.

Map Of Area Below

1: Area mentioned in the article
2: One of the proposed arears previously mentioned. Quite hilly so a lot of ground excavation work
3: Proposed warm up track. this is the location in a few of the proposals. It is level land.
4: Pedestrian & cycle bridge over rail lines and Inner City Bypass. It is quite wide.
5: Worth consideration but still hilly. Has a little more land to work with. Still classed as Victoria Park/Barrambin. Better access for deliveries etc etc.
6: Entrance and exit off ICB but only from one side. Not large but it is already there.
7: If 5 is viable a green overpass about 3 times wider than the pedestrian one in 4. That will help add more greenspace back to the park. Will also link up to warmup track.

EDIT: You can forget my number 5 proposal as there appears a bit of history in that area called Gundoo Memorial Grove.
A total of 1550 trees were ordered at a cost of £75 in 1959

Gundoo Memorial Grove at Victoria Park / Barrambin

In 1959 as part of the Queensland Centenary Celebrations, a request to the Lord Mayor was made for the planting of 1,000 trees in Victoria Park / Barrambin. Students from Brisbane Girls' Grammar School planted these memorial trees which became known as the 'The Gundoo Memorial Grove.'

www.brisbane.qld.gov.au

 

[dlanod]

I can't read the article due to the pay wall. So will just go on the image you provided.
I walked Victoria Park the other day and there did not appear to be enough room in that section outlined for a stadium.
You also have the busway going underneath in that section.
Those carparks for putt putt, driving range, restaurant and function centers was full the day i visited on a weekday.
I had to wait till someone was leaving to get a park. There are a lot of carparks.
The ground in that section is less hilly than other parts of the park. Thats the only positive i see.
But if that's where a stadium can get approval then fine with me.

Map Of Area Below

1: Area mentioned in the article
2: One of the proposed arears previously mentioned. Quite hilly so a lot of ground excavation work
3: Proposed warm up track. this is the location in a few of the proposals. It is level land.
4: Pedestrian & cycle bridge over rail lines and Inner City Bypass. It is quite wide.
5: Worth consideration but still hilly. Has a little more land to work with. Still classed as Victoria Park/Barrambin. Better access for deliveries etc etc.
6: Entrance and exit off ICB but only from one side. Not large but it is already there.
7: If 5 is viable a green overpass about 3 times wider than the pedestrian one in 4. That will help add more greenspace back to the park. Will also link up to warmup track.

EDIT: You can forget my number 5 proposal as there appears a bit of history in that area called Gundoo Memorial Grove.
A total of 1550 trees were ordered at a cost of £75 in 1959

Gundoo Memorial Grove at Victoria Park / Barrambin

In 1959 as part of the Queensland Centenary Celebrations, a request to the Lord Mayor was made for the planting of 1,000 trees in Victoria Park / Barrambin. Students from Brisbane Girls' Grammar School planted these memorial trees which became known as the 'The Gundoo Memorial Grove.'

www.brisbane.qld.gov.au

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That's really helpful to visualise the suggestions. How flat is it in the top right corner? i.e. acquire that "CRR Unity Alliance office", and build there - it seems very closely linked to both the busway and Exhibition Station compared to others, is still adjacent to the proposed warmup tracks, and could be argued that it's minimal loss of green space because it's not currently green space.

 

[Section 5]

That's really helpful to visualise the suggestions. How flat is it in the top right corner? i.e. acquire that "CRR Unity Alliance office", and build there - it seems very closely linked to both the busway and Exhibition Station compared to others, is still adjacent to the proposed warmup tracks, and could be argued that it's minimal loss of green space because it's not currently green space.

Even though there is enough room for a warm up track on that side of Gilchrist Avenue there is not enough space for a big stadium in the "CRR Utility Alliance Office". This area is also flat.
Also, that position is only about 200 meters from the biggest hospital in Australia.

It is hard for people to imagine how hilly the Victoria Park area is without seeing it or better still walking it.
I found a couple of images that may help visualize the Park for those that have not been there.

The wedding image with the Brisbane CBD in the background:
Regarding that red area i marked on the image:
That location is number 2 (blue) on my above view of Vic Park. This is one of the proposed sites in early reports.
Also, in the below image 2 (blue) has a zoomed in view of the same area.
Regarding the water hole you see down the hill on the wedding image.
The location of that waterhole: "B" image below.
The approximate location of the couple: "A" image below

To give you an idea of which way the land flows.
The pink squiggly lines are the low sections
The yellow squiggly lines are the high sections.




Below image of the driving range section
The lady is on a driving range platform that is quite high
It is a reasonable drop down to the lowest point and then rises to a much higher level than the driving platform

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Even though there is enough room for a warm up track on that side of Gilchrist Avenue there is not enough space for a big stadium in the "CRR Utility Alliance Office". This area is also flat.
Also, that position is only about 200 meters from the biggest hospital in Australia.

Gilchrist Avenue has been truncated before. There's no reason why it couldn't be again.

It also should be added that the modern stadium doesn't necessarily need the playing field set on the natural ground level. So, hills may not be quite the obstacle people may think.

 

[BigCat2]

Gilchrist Avenue has been truncated before. There's no reason why it couldn't be again.

It also should be added that the modern stadium doesn't necessarily need the playing field set on the natural ground level. So, hills may not be quite the obstacle people may think.

I know Victoria Park and its terrain well, having lost many golf balls there in my time.

I don't see slope being a problem. Mass earth moving can be taken in a project of this magnitude. Brisbane Bold's architectural drawings had factored in topography, and it'll all be fairly do-able.

Cost of the whole project and building surrounding infrastructure eg new train station, connection with inner city bypass will be far bigger issues than the slope of the area.

As already reported, there's considerable savings to be had if you build new stadium and arena in the same location. Construction would not impact nearby traffic, and no need to pack things up and only work at night.

I previously saw a cost estimate of building an on-ramp at 16million for a new section of highway. That same on-ramp if built on existing section of highway with traffic when they can only come out at night and need to pack away all their machinery in the morning, cost more than 4 times as much!

So I can fully believe that building stadium and arena together in Victoria Park can be similar in cost of just redeveloping the Gabba - and no arena.

 

[Bjo187]

Well schinner is definitely an ally these days and so is Quirk. I also think liveris the Olympics guy is an ally. I was confident on Victoria park still getting up, till i saw the new sports and Olympics minister is a former nrl referee, ffs.

Looking at his Instagram no mention of the lions winning the flag, plenty of rugby league on there though and even the Brisbane heat. Unfortunately Coates is already doing his bullying and no doubt v'landy's will be on the phone to Manner.

Let's think of it this way, a new stadium must be built regardless, the gabba rebuild is worse for the lions because it kicks them outta Brisbane for 4 years. Therefore, blokes with rugby league interest will think this is the best proposal, we can't avoid giving them a new stadium, so we may as well do some damage booting them outta Brisbane for 4 years to compensate.

Overall it's up to Cristifulli if he is smart enough to realise that the gabba is what cost Anastasia her job in the end. Victoria park is so obviously the only legitimately good solution that addresses all issues. Let's hope Quirk and Schinner are on the review panel in some way and it doesn't become a Manner and Coates shitshow.

*Anybody emailing Manner I'd go with the advantages for the Olympics and cricket first and foremost and mentioning the lions last. He won't wanna feel like he's helping the AFL and will need justification as to the Victoria park proposal for when Peter and Coates get on the phone to him.