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Key points:

• expect to save $1.4B through improved productivity
• savings will be reinvested into venues
• review board to be appointed within 2 weeks
• review handed down by March 12

He is still in opposition leader election mode.
He will soon realize the actual opposition now Labor will use this sort of rubbish against him when he can't deliver it.
The Olympic state budget is $3.5 billion. How will he save $1.4 billion off that with improved productivity.
Can't read the article so probably more detail

If he is talking about outside the Olympic budget, he would easily be able to find $5-$6 billion to do the Olympics from just about anywhere if he wanted to.
Crisafulli just cancelled the Burdekin Hydo project because the costs blew out to $36 billion
He has now gone with a smaller option of between $22- $28 billion at the same site

 

[Johnny Bananas]

He is still in opposition leader election mode.
He will soon realize the actual opposition now Labor will use this sort of rubbish against him when he can't deliver it.
The Olympic state budget is $3.5 billion. How will he save $1.4 billion off that with improved productivity.
Can't read the article so probably more detail

He's claiming the $1.4b saving is from the full $7.1b funding, presumably including the federal and IOC contributions.

This reads like a propaganda piece anyway, I doubt it'll actually save that much in reality. Governments of all sides have a habit of overestimating benefits and underestimating costs.

Crisafulli just cancelled the Burdekin Hydo project because the costs blew out to $36 billion
He has now gone with a smaller option of between $22- $28 billion at the same site

He has? Do you have a link to this please? I didn't read this story and can't seem to find it from searching.

 

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He's claiming the $1.4b saving is from the full $7.1b funding, presumably including the federal and IOC contributions.

This reads like a propaganda piece anyway, I doubt it'll actually save that much in reality. Governments of all sides have a habit of overestimating benefits and underestimating costs.

Yes, probably just saying how great they are compared to Labor without actually having to build anything.
Hopefully there are not many blowouts, and inflation eases but even before the recent big spikes in inflation projects always cost more than projected.

The feds are just Brisbane Arena $2.5 billion. They can't use the money for anything else without changing the agreement.
Catherine King (fed ALP) said she won't change the agreement as things have progressed too far.
Very strange it has progressed that far without a suitable validation report.
Minor venues split 50/50.

Get rid of BA and they will be fine. I am hoping the validation report comes in at $3 billion.
Splitting the funding was mentioned for a few days, got canned quickly for some reason. Very dodgy is the BA venue.
He may be able to save heaps by going to another site for BA but that has nothing to do with productivity.

The IOC funding is based on a formula, and it has to do with media deals, ticket sales, sponsors etc etc
It is revenue based so not included in the $7.1 billion budget for venue infostructure funding

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Yes, probably just saying how great they are compared to Labor without actually having to build anything.
Hopefully there are not many blowouts, and inflation eases but even before the recent big spikes in inflation projects always cost more than projected.

The feds are just Brisbane Arena $2.5 billion. They can't use the money for anything else without changing the agreement.
Catherine King (fed ALP) said she won't change the agreement as things have progressed too far.
Very strange it has progressed that far without a suitable validation report.
Minor venues split 50/50.

Get rid of BA and they will be fine. I am hoping the validation report comes in at $3 billion.
Splitting the funding was mentioned for a few days, got canned quickly for some reason. Very dodgy is the BA venue.
He may be able to save heaps by going to another site for BA but that has nothing to do with productivity.

The IOC funding is based on a formula, and it has to do with media deals, ticket sales, sponsors etc etc
It is revenue based so not included in the $7.1 billion budget for venue infostructure funding

I don't trust any side of politics to tell the unvarnished truth. Each major party will use their own accounting tricks and spin in whatever manner makes themselves sound good or the other party sound worse.

Unsure if you saw my question about the hydro project above.

 

[Chucky_23]

He is still in opposition leader election mode.
He will soon realize the actual opposition now Labor will use this sort of rubbish against him when he can't deliver it.
The Olympic state budget is $3.5 billion. How will he save $1.4 billion off that with improved productivity.
Can't read the article so probably more detail

If he is talking about outside the Olympic budget, he would easily be able to find $5-$6 billion to do the Olympics from just about anywhere if he wanted to.
Crisafulli just cancelled the Burdekin Hydo project because the costs blew out to $36 billion
He has now gone with a smaller option of between $22- $28 billion at the same site

I think the $1.4billion saving might be based on the scrapping of Best Practice Industry Conditions. BPIC was a sweet union deal but did cost taxpayers quite a lot. It would have applied to all Olympics infrastructure builds

(https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11...itions-bpic-explained-union-workers/104601464)

 

[Hollow Knight]

At the risk of abandoning the principal of worker solidarity, the construction unions haven't done the collective union movement any favours lately.

I'm a QTU rep, and we are just trying to get some moderate improvements to teacher conditions in our next award agreement (not really even about money, more focus on workload and wellbeing/safety) but we get associated in the public consciousness with the CFMEU and their bikie mates. It's pretty frustrating.

I know people in the nursing union who feel the same.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

At the risk of abandoning the principal of worker solidarity, the construction unions haven't done the collective union movement any favours lately.

I'm a QTU rep, and we are just trying to get some moderate improvements to teacher conditions in our next award agreement (not really even about money, more focus on workload and wellbeing/safety) but we get associated in the public consciousness with the CFMEU and their bikie mates. It's pretty frustrating.

I know people in the nursing union who feel the same.

It's terrible that some people are viewing all unions with contempt. And, I hope this makes people think next time before they associate all young African men with crime or all women with being emotional or all trans women as a safety threat.

 

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He has? Do you have a link to this please? I didn't read this story and can't seem to find it from searching.

MEDIA STATEMENT: Pioneer-Burdekin Pumped Hydro

Queensland government calls Labor's pumped hydro project a 'hoax' after true cost revealed

Queensland's new LNP government has accused the former Labor administration of lying to the community about the cost and viability of a huge pumped hydro scheme which it has branded a "con job" and a "hoax".

www.abc.net.au

 

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I think the $1.4billion saving might be based on the scrapping of Best Practice Industry Conditions. BPIC was a sweet union deal but did cost taxpayers quite a lot. It would have applied to all Olympics infrastructure builds

(https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11...itions-bpic-explained-union-workers/104601464)

Without reading the Courier Mail article i don't know his reasoning.
I am all for cutting back the power of the CFMEU but most unions are reasonable to deal with.
If the $1.4 billion is all to do with the CFMEU Crisafulli is dreaming.

 

[Scubaveg]

Without reading the Courier Mail article i don't know his reasoning.
I am all for cutting back the power of the CFMEU but most unions are reasonable to deal with.
If the $1.4 billion is all to do with the CFMEU Crisafulli is dreaming.

In my experience, most unions are not.


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In my experience, most unions are not.


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Fair enough.
Depends on your job i suppose

 

[Dalions]

Without reading the Courier Mail article i don't know his reasoning.
I am all for cutting back the power of the CFMEU but most unions are reasonable to deal with.
If the $1.4 billion is all to do with the CFMEU Crisafulli is dreaming.

Construction Unions cost the Industry a lot of money and send a lot of Builders broke.

 

[Chucky_23]

Without reading the Courier Mail article i don't know his reasoning.
I am all for cutting back the power of the CFMEU but most unions are reasonable to deal with.
If the $1.4 billion is all to do with the CFMEU Crisafulli is dreaming.

I don’t know the exact numbers for the Olympics infrastructure builds builds but from the ABC article above it says:

Treasury modelling estimates BPICs will increase project costs by up to 25 per cent, and cost up to $17.1 billion over the next six years.

So, $1.4 billion is maybe not too far off. What I do know from a couple of tradie friends is that pay, conditions and job security on govt infra jobs are all well ahead of what they get generally and govt jobs are very popular

 

[Dalions]

I don’t know the exact numbers for the Olympics infrastructure builds builds but from the ABC article above it says:

Treasury modelling estimates BPICs will increase project costs by up to 25 per cent, and cost up to $17.1 billion over the next six years.

So, $1.4 billion is maybe not too far off. What I do know from a couple of tradie friends is that pay, conditions and job security on govt infra jobs are all well ahead of what they get generally and govt jobs are very popular

Spend half their time sitting on their asses too because the Unions have ordered them to stand down due to some trivial bullshit.
But of course, still get full pay to do so.

 

[Big Sauce 21]

Spend half their time sitting on their asses too because the Unions have ordered them to stand down due to some trivial bullshit.
But of course, still get full pay to do so.

28 degrees with a bit of humidity and they throw the toys out of the cot and go home

 

[Dalions]

28 degrees with a bit of humidity and they throw the toys out of the cot and go home

Yep, amongst 1000 other reasons.
When there is 300-400 people on site on full pay for doing nothing, it is a bit excessive to say the least.

 

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Well, it looks like Crisafulli is all we needed to get everything done on time and on budget.
He should retain power for a very long time.

So now we have oodles of money there should be no problems with getting a new stadium or a Gabba rebuild
New stadium $2.4 billion down from $3.2 billion
Gabba Rebuild $2.25billion down from $3 billion
easy peasy now we just need to start building

 

[Scubaveg]

Fair enough.
Depends on your job i suppose

Claims over the last 12 months alone:
ETU wanting 26% followed by 8% and 6%.
AWU 30% 13% 7%
United workers unions 28% 16% and 14%


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[Johnny Bananas]

MEDIA STATEMENT: Pioneer-Burdekin Pumped Hydro

That doesn't say they're proceeding with a lower cost option in the same location. It says this:

But the government on Monday said it wouldn't be proceeding with any of the options, instead planning smaller hydro facilities in locations yet to be chosen, with a timeline currently unknown.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Construction Unions cost the Industry a lot of money and send a lot of Builders broke.

I'll tell you what else sends the industry broke, dodgy builders cutting corners and taking on huge debts, then declaring insolvency when the shit hits the fan and transferring their assets to a new phoenix company conveniently rising from the ashes.

Unions (should) only have the goal of getting a good deal for their workers. They are simply playing the hand they've been dealt, which is a very good hand indeed, because construction demand is high and the number of tradies are not keeping pace with this. We've been warned about a skills shortage in trades for the past 20 years, yet governments did little about it. Now the chickens are coming home to roost but this is apparently all the fault of the unions for being too good at their jobs. It's a lazy narrative.

Claims over the last 12 months alone:
ETU wanting 26% followed by 8% and 6%.
AWU 30% 13% 7%
United workers unions 28% 16% and 14%

Who's to say they don't deserve that?

 

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Claims over the last 12 months alone:
ETU wanting 26% followed by 8% and 6%.
AWU 30% 13% 7%
United workers unions 28% 16% and 14%


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Thats what they claimed but what was granted.

I have no idea on what wages are in Australia as i have been retired for 7 years.
I also mentioned i am no friend of the CFMEU. This article below mentioned their unreasonable request.
But the existing pay increases are 5.9% immediately, then 5.3, 5, 4.9,4.7
I remember when the below article came out earlier in the year lots of people/media said how high the wage is along with penalties and other perks

A quick google search revealed this article regarding major Olympic works dated March 2024

The union’s new deal for Queensland, where major works are required for the 2032 Olympic Games, delivered a 5.9 per cent pay rise backdated to July 1, 2023, followed by 5.3 per cent this year, 5 per cent in 2025, 4.9 per cent in 2026 and 4.7 per cent in 2027.

Under that deal, level three construction workers are earning $54 an hour or $3991 for a 50-hour week with two hours double time each day.

Secret union push for 26pc pay rise to spike building costs

The CFMEU is pushing for unprecedented increases in NSW, including an upfront 8 per cent pay rise that is expected to raise costs for already-priced projects.

www.afr.com

 

[Scubaveg]

I'll tell you what else sends the industry broke, dodgy builders cutting corners and taking on huge debts, then declaring insolvency when the shit hits the fan and transferring their assets to a new phoenix company conveniently rising from the ashes.

Unions (should) only have the goal of getting a good deal for their workers. They are simply playing the hand they've been dealt, which is a very good hand indeed, because construction demand is high and the number of tradies are not keeping pace with this. We've been warned about a skills shortage in trades for the past 20 years, yet governments did little about it. Now the chickens are coming home to roost but this apparently all the fault of the unions for being too good at their jobs. It's a lazy narrative.


Who's to say they don't deserve that?

All the analysis I've seen places this far and above anything close to others workers on the campus.


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[Johnny Bananas]

All the analysis I've seen places this far and above anything close to others workers on the campus.


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Yes, because they're in more demand than those other workers.

There are lots of professions where people charge an arm and a leg for their work. Everyone wants to get paid well if they can. The only things limiting it are the demand for their labour and the ability for employers to substitute for them with someone else who won't charge as much. But we're in an economy where construction demand is high and there aren't enough skilled workers. So why wouldn't construction labour costs rise? Why shouldn't they?

 

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That doesn't say they're proceeding with a lower cost option in the same location. It says this:

Yes, you are correct in regard to the 2nd article.
It is likely in some other location so they will have to start from scratch and upset farmers/homes in that area

My thoughts were and are if they go for a much cheaper option (they are), then they will have plenty of spare money for Olympics

 

[Dalions]

I'll tell you what else sends the industry broke, dodgy builders cutting corners and taking on huge debts, then declaring insolvency when the shit hits the fan and transferring their assets to a new phoenix company conveniently rising from the ashes.

Unions (should) only have the goal of getting a good deal for their workers. They are simply playing the hand they've been dealt, which is a very good hand indeed, because construction demand is high and the number of tradies are not keeping pace with this. We've been warned about a skills shortage in trades for the past 20 years, yet governments did little about it. Now the chickens are coming home to roost but this is apparently all the fault of the unions for being too good at their jobs. It's a lazy narrative.


Who's to say they don't deserve that?

There are dodgy people and or Companies in every industry.
No Doubt that Unions have their place but in the Construction Industry and particularly the CFMEU have always had too much power and it has only got stronger in recent years.