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[Nunez]

When they say ‘people from around Brisbane’ what they mean is ‘people who live within a 2 minute walk of Victoria park’

Legit. There is a much better option in Roma st parklands as is.

 

[Section 5]

Legit. There is a much better option in Roma st parklands as is.

The one where my pet hate Brisbane Arena is planned to be built.
I will actually consider protesting against that if it finally gets the go ahead.
That park is at least recognized with multiple Green Flag awards the latest for 2022/23

Roma Street Parkland is one of five locations in Australia to hold the 2022/2023 Green Flag Award, an international accreditation given to the world’s best green spaces.

 

[Elixuh]

Legit. There is a much better option in Roma st parklands as is.

Oh so now you agree with me.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

The one where my pet hate Brisbane Arena is planned to be built.
I will actually consider protesting against that if it finally gets the go ahead.
That park is at least recognized with multiple Green Flag awards the latest for 2022/23

Roma Street Parkland is one of five locations in Australia to hold the 2022/2023 Green Flag Award, an international accreditation given to the world’s best green spaces.

Last place I heard they were proposing that is the maintenance yards in the NW corner. Not sure that's winning any awards.

 

[Section 5]

Last place I heard they were proposing that is the maintenance yards in the NW corner. Not sure that's winning any awards.

Quirk should never have suggested the Roma Street Parklands as an alternate site for Brisbane Arena
One reason is it goes against the existing PDA.

Below article from Cross River Rail, Qld Gov in 2021.
The PDA for the area did include the Brisbane Arena at the original location. But as we know that came in at $4 billion.

The proposed park extension of greenspace and affordable housing can't swap with the Brisbane Arenas old location as the cost for building social and affordable housing on the original BA site will also be extremely expensive compared to the original PDA site for housing and parkland.

There has been something very fishy in regard to the Brisbane Arena for many years now.
Originally it was to be private owned and run.
Even in the new 100 day review the Brisbane Arena is the only venue exempt out of 35 from suggestions or changes.
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The existing 11 hectares of publicly accessible open space within the Roma St Parklands will not only be protected forever, but will be expanded even further by more than two hectares.

The development scheme also provides for new social and affordable housing as part of new residential buildings parallel to the rail corridor, adding to the existing apartment complexes along Parkland Boulevard.

Roma Street Parklands protected and expanded

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crossriverrail.qld.gov.au

 

[Black Panther]

And yet another proposal!

https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/qld-politics/stunning-new-gabba-design-flips-olympic-stadium-race-on-its-head/news-story/e00fe4433f0047e8d00b819749c446ae

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I think they're being a bit sensationalist. The design is nice but not "stunning" when you compare it to the mockups for Hamilton.

Stunning new Gabba design flips Olympic stadium race on its head

The Gabba would be redeveloped into a world class 55,000 seat stadium and nestled beside a sparkling new Brisbane Arena in the latest Olympic proposal for 2032.

Creating an Olympic Park precinct with a rebuilt Gabba alongside Brisbane Arena is the most “logical” and cheapest option, the state’s infrastructure review will be told.

A battle of architects is underway across the city to design the stadiums and linking infrastructure to service the 2032 event.

Amid increasing calls from stakeholders and major sporting codes for the government to build a new stadium at Victoria Park, The Courier-Mail can reveal another bold proposal to overhaul the centralised Gabba precinct.

Brisbane’s Hayes Anderson Lynch Architects’ plans include a rebuilt 55,000-seat Gabba linked with a raised platform over Main St to Brisbane Arena.

The design, slated to go before the seven-member 100-day review panel this week, proposes a return to the plan Brisbane had when it won the Games in 2021.

A major concourse would link the Gabba with Brisbane Arena and the Cross River Rail station while a pedestrian spine would snake alongside the Riverside Expressway and deviate left to link with the Goodwill Bridge.

HAL Architects director Elizabeth Anderson argued the Gabba was the “only globally recognised Brisbane landmark” that made sense.

“Annastacia had it right,” she said.

“We’re trying to use as much of the existing infrastructure to reduce costs where possible.”

Raymond Park would be used as a warm-up track and East Brisbane State School would be relocated, but the buildings remain.

“I don’t really see what the big deal with that – it’s a temporary use of infrastructure,” Ms Anderson said.

The Gabba would be rebuilt within the existing squeezed site, cantilevered above Vulture and Stanley streets which would close to vehicle traffic during a major event.

“It’s a much more efficient use of the space,” Ms Anderson said.

“It’s the only option that makes any sense … there’s no new stadium.

“We’re not taking over a park that’s so incredible and pristine.”

“It’s a much more efficient use of the space,” Ms Anderson said.

“It’s the only option that makes any sense … there’s no new stadium.

“We’re not taking over a park that’s so incredible and pristine.”

Brisbane Arena would be used as a temporary pool during the Games before becoming the “new Boondall” entertainment venue in the city.

Ms Anderson said the existing space and public transport connections made the Gabba the “logical thing to do”.

While she declared it the “most cost-effective option”, Ms Anderson acknowledged little analytical work had gone into the proposal.

The seven-member review panel, led by Stephen Conry, will recommend to the state government what infrastructure to build for the 2032 Games.

Queenslanders can also make personal submissions to the panel.

"There's no new stadium"? "Pristine"? Spare me, this is propaganda. And she's full of shit if she says something's cost effective while doing no analytical work.

 

[BigCat2]

And yet another proposal!

https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/qld-politics/stunning-new-gabba-design-flips-olympic-stadium-race-on-its-head/news-story/e00fe4433f0047e8d00b819749c446ae

Saw this one earlier in the year. Doesn't fix the problems of small foot print, unable to accommodate service trucks with underground access, limited capacity, tenant displacement and transport issued around it...amongst other things.

Not to mention cost. Gabba rebuild was going to be 2.7bil, but now around 3bil due to delay and inflation. The cost of this plus the arena next door will no doubt be significantly higher than greenfield build.

Problem with these flashy architectural drawings is that they don't tell you how it will be built and whether it can be built. Just like the north shore design that has levitated concourses that rise above the stadium leading to nowhere. None of this can be taken seriously without proper cost and construction validation.

 

[Perrip]

I think they're being a bit sensationalist. The design is nice but not "stunning" when you compare it to the mockups for Hamilton.

It hasn't solved any of the issues I have with the Gabba site other than turning Culture and Stanley Street into tunnels.

Raymond Park would be used as a warm-up track and East Brisbane State School would be relocated, but the buildings remain.

This was one of the main issues of the opposition to the original Gabba rebuild in 2021, they've offered no solutions to this. Same with moving Lions/cricket temporarily during the rebuild, where do they go?

 

[Dalions]

It hasn't solved any of the issues I have with the Gabba site other than turning Culture and Stanley Street into tunnels.

This was one of the main issues of the opposition to the original Gabba rebuild in 2021, they've offered no solutions to this. Same with moving Lions/cricket temporarily during the rebuild, where do they go?

Not sure how they get that this is a new proposal when this was brought forward probably around 6 months ago.

If you look hard enough you can find these exact photos many pages back in this thread.

I like the idea personally, but not the 5-6years of bullshit for the Lions.

 

[Perrip]

Not sure how they get that this is a new proposal when this was brought forward probably around 6 months ago.

@Cameron Atfield

"New"? I wrote about it in March.
Brisbane Times - Other stadiums ‘well ahead’ of Gabba: Cricket Australia

 

[Johnny Bananas]

It hasn't solved any of the issues I have with the Gabba site other than turning Culture and Stanley Street into tunnels.

That doesn't seem to be in the design though?

This was one of the main issues of the opposition to the original Gabba rebuild in 2021, they've offered no solutions to this. Same with moving Lions/cricket temporarily during the rebuild, where do they go?

The people proposing this don't care. See the quote from the architect later on, she just refuses to accept Raymond Park is a problem at all, probably thinks the same about us and cricket.

 

[Section 5]

And yet another proposal!

https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/qld-politics/stunning-new-gabba-design-flips-olympic-stadium-race-on-its-head/news-story/e00fe4433f0047e8d00b819749c446ae

I basically agree with what other posters have said.

The only thing i would consider if Brisbane Arena has to be built at all.
Build BA at this location over the CRR underground station assuming it is feasible to be built on that site.
Literally next to rail and bus. A 15-minute walk to Southbank with bus and City Cats and about 20 minutes to the CBD.

Having BA at this location fixes a few future issues for hospitality businesses in the Wooloongabba area.
Lots of assumptions though in my thinking
Firstly, The Gabba stays open while they build a new stadium somewhere preferably Victoria Park.
Build BA to finish around 2030/2031.
The Gabba sold off to developers or the government do something with the site.
Lots of options for an area so close to the CBD
Hospitality in the area will at least have a 15k venue nearby to sustain a lot of the business in the area with the loss of The Gabba patrons.

 

[Elixuh]

That design looks like a plane toilet seat

 

[Johnny Bananas]

@Cameron Atfield

Haha BT have it on their front page now, marked as "From the archives".

 

[Schache_off]

I can't see a protect Vic park getting too many supporters unless they're really good at manipulating others into thinking it's big business winning +++. If there are any frequent users of the park, it would be so minimal. If you lived in the suburb...sure, I get it.

When you've got New farm park, Botanical gardens x 2 and Roma street and most of Vic park will still be a park, it's pretty hard to say inner city is short of green space.

 

[Elixuh]

I get people who live right on it probably don’t want the increased traffic but that’s the risk of buying in areas like that.

For people who genuinely use Vic Park, they should welcome this because the investment in the area will make that space useable and actually pleasant to visit.

I don’t know if anyone has actually been into vic park since the golf course closed but it’s a hellscape.

 

[peetoo]

That design looks like a plane toilet seat

 

[notliondown]

If that design is cheaper I'll do 5 laps of the rebuilt Gabba naked carrying a Collingwood scarf in 2032... And NOBODY wants to see that!!!!

We said all of this months ago, pointed out all the flaws then too... Including dislocation of AFL and Cricket therefore needing temporary homes...

The logistics are mind blowing by themselves... And should we discuss building the areana above a train station that's not even finished yet again ???

Nothing to see here...

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[BigCat2]

And yet another proposal!

https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/qld-politics/stunning-new-gabba-design-flips-olympic-stadium-race-on-its-head/news-story/e00fe4433f0047e8d00b819749c446ae

Taking a closer look at this. Despite all the above misgivings, the most fantastical and unrealistic part of the whole thing is the Brisbane River...so clean and still that you get reflections of the CBD in it!

 

[Elixuh]

That Gabba design kind of reinforces how difficult it will be to accommodate ~70k people in that space.

 

[Section 5]

A few good things about the 100-day review that takes us to early March 2025.
John Coates retires end of December 2024 but stays on as honorary member i believe.
So, no push from an IOC heavyweight for QSAC.
The Olympic Organizing Committee can now have a say to the Authority previously denied a say.
The President of the Organizing Committee Andrew N Liveris has come out supporting Victoria Park that is huge.
The State and BCC elections are over so nothing to muddy the waters on decisions to be made.
A Commonwealth election due in May and i don't see that happening earlier.

The media can and have put reasonably positive reports on some alternatives put to the Authority mainly Victoria Park.
I think there will be more to come.
Once builders/architects put in their thoughts and possible proposals they will probably release them to the media.

At least the general public might get to see the options without political interference.
The vast majority of the general public are not going to look at the benefits and obstacles we discuss on BF.
They will look at the total costs and governments saying it is within the budget for the Olympic games.
They will look at the stadium location and have various opinions on whether that is the best location and solution to stage the Olympics

 

[Bjo187]

A few good things about the 100-day review that takes us to early March 2025.
John Coates retires end of December 2024 but stays on as honorary member i believe.
So, no push from an IOC heavyweight for QSAC.
The Olympic Organizing Committee can now have a say to the Authority previously denied a say.
The President of the Organizing Committee Andrew N Liveris has come out supporting Victoria Park that is huge.
The State and BCC elections are over so nothing to muddy the waters on decisions to be made.
A Commonwealth election due in May and i don't see that happening earlier.

The media can and have put reasonably positive reports on some alternatives put to the Authority mainly Victoria Park.
I think there will be more to come.
Once builders/architects put in their thoughts and possible proposals they will probably release them to the media.

At least the general public might get to see the options without political interference.
The vast majority of the general public are not going to look at the benefits and obstacles we discuss on BF.
They will look at the total costs and governments saying it is within the budget for the Olympic games.
They will look at the stadium location and have various opinions on whether that is the best location and solution to stage the Olympics

Coates is coming back to Australia to oversee readying for the games though, so will no doubt be snaking around in the background again.

 

[Perrip]

What you said: Mixed reaction to new plans for revamped Gabba

Two of the biggest naysayers were Queensland Cricket chief executive Terry Svenson and Brisbane Lions CEO Greg Swann, who are set to pitch the Victoria Park precinct to the review committee on Tuesday.
“We have outgrown it and we have had a full house for the last couple of days and the Lions, for instance, have well over 60,000 members now and heading to 70k I think,” Mr Svenson told 4BC Radio.
“Greg Swann who I was with over the weekend said nine of their eleven games were sold out. We have got really strong crowds at cricket, test cricket but also the big bash as well and I think we are just landlocked in that area.
“We congratulate the government doing their 100-day review and certainly many good ideas coming out.”
Mr Svenson said he was looking forward to presenting the Victoria Park pitch on Tuesday afternoon.
“It is quite wide and there is a lot of granular detail in terms of what we plan to present to the committee tomorrow,” he said.
Mr Svenson said there were massive logistical issues with the four major roads surrounding the Gabba for both codes.
“We will spend upwards of $100,000 per game on the ability to get our fans across those major intersections,” he said.
“Having … this precinct in Victoria Park, which will have eight entry and exit points, allows the crowd to walk safely and freely to what we believe is the right location for this new stadium.”

 

[Happy_Neale]

A few good things about the 100-day review that takes us to early March 2025.
John Coates retires end of December 2024 but stays on as honorary member i believe.
So, no push from an IOC heavyweight for QSAC.
The Olympic Organizing Committee can now have a say to the Authority previously denied a say.
The President of the Organizing Committee Andrew N Liveris has come out supporting Victoria Park that is huge.
The State and BCC elections are over so nothing to muddy the waters on decisions to be made.
A Commonwealth election due in May and i don't see that happening earlier.

The media can and have put reasonably positive reports on some alternatives put to the Authority mainly Victoria Park.
I think there will be more to come.
Once builders/architects put in their thoughts and possible proposals they will probably release them to the media.

At least the general public might get to see the options without political interference.
The vast majority of the general public are not going to look at the benefits and obstacles we discuss on BF.
They will look at the total costs and governments saying it is within the budget for the Olympic games.
They will look at the stadium location and have various opinions on whether that is the best location and solution to stage the Olympics

Looking back I don’t think QSAC was ever really an option, I think Miles probably wanted to say whatever would get the most votes knowing he was probably going to lose the election, damage control of sorts. Getting Coates to back it up gave it legitimacy and then proposing fixing up Suncorp as well kept the NRL heads on side too.