Review GBU vs collingwood

[robboaustralia]

On a completely unrelated note I was surprised by how much I enjoyed Jack Riewoldt’s commentary. Hope he does more of our games.

Not a bad commentary team actually.

 

[robboaustralia]

VB was our worst. Classic Neil Craig making a plodder the skipper.

Dawson is a perfect example of a great captains choice. Leads from the front.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Serious question - Is ROB the least skilled player on any AFL list?

I'd love to see him on the Sunday Footy Show handball competition

And remember that kicking one they had on the old Crows Show?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Not a bad commentary team actually.

Best I can recall for a Crows game. They must all really hate Collingwood

 

[CrowBloke]

ROB seems to be the current whipping boy of the board.

"Current whipping boy" are inevitably those players who are underperforming more often than not week after week, yet keep their place in the side eg ROB and Smith, McHenry too.
ROB is one of those, no matter how fit he is or how far he runs.
He drops 3 to 4 marks/game that he should be taking (avge/game 1.8 marks, extremely poor for a bloke his size. Gawn averages nearly 6 marks/game).
He rarely taps to our mids directly or into their best advantage exit. Oppo mids are prospering from ROB. I can't remember the last time ROB punched the ball forward 20 or 30 metres.
His kicking is dreadful, probably the worst in the side and that's in a team which includes Skewed Smith and Bomber Laird.
Worst of all is his lack of composure. When he has the ball he looks clueless-if-not-scared ("What do I do with this?") and panics. ROB currently has the most clangers in the team and most Frees Against.
(https://afltables.com/afl/stats/2024.html#11)

His ruckwork is not that bad. His marking and disposal around the ground can range from adequate to woeful.

See above. They're awful.

Due to our ordinary draft picking we have no alternative to him, which is hardly his fault.

Agreed. It's not his fault that Strachan is locked into the SANFL, but I don't see how he could be any worse than ROB right now.
But the things ROB does that are within his control are his fault and they are dreadful.
Several players are liabilities; ROB is high on that list imo, just behind Smith and McHenry.

 

[Carn The Texan]

We've evolved beyond the need for Laird and Smith haven't we. I'd prioritise moving them on over Keays or Murphy or anyone else at season's end. Trade for literally any half decent back flanker to replace Smith (mightn't feel like such a pressing issue once we have Worrell back) or debut Ryan, and move Dowling/Edwards/Schoenberg/Taylor/Nankervis into the middle for Laird. When they're both done, that's when I'll believe we've actually committed to a "rebuild".

 

[feenix67]

The NBA analysts uses a term to describe certain players, they either class them as being high floor/low ceiling or low floor/high ceiling.

Basically the low ceiling/high floor are players who have the potential to be great, but early are inconsistent and may have games were they only rate as a 2/10.

Or the flip side the high floor/low ceiling are the guys who will consistently be a 5-6 out of 10 every week, but that's the most you ever get out of them.

I know I'm rambling, but the point I'm getting to is that this club has always over valued the high floor/low ceiling players. Instead of showing patience and building confidence in the high ceiling players we always seem to drop them as soon as we can in order to bring back a low ceiling player.

Excellent post

 

[Executive Landlord]

Rankine and Dawson by far our best leaders. Damning that both not developed at our club

 

[CrowBloke]

I reckon there’s 3 main attributes and if you don’t have 2 of them, then you have no business playing.
Skill & execution
Effort
Composure

"Uh, four. FOUR main attributes" ...

(aren't ALL of them needed?)

 

[BunjiMac]

Rankine and Dawson by far our best leaders. Damning that both not developed at our club

These 2 didn't give up when we were down and said come on we are not laying down and we're going to drag you across the line no matter what.

That's the mindset we need to promote and hold up as being leadership.

Not this Keays, O'Brien, Murphy crap.

I have no issue with these guys being role players, but leaders!? Give me a break.

 

[BunjiMac]

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"Uh, four. FOUR main attributes" ...

(aren't ALL of them needed?)

Composure sits alongside execution and Effort is a hygiene factor.

I'd have as my 3:

Skills and Execution/Composure
Footy Smarts/IQ
Speed and Power

These 3 are god given and generally can't be changed.

I agree that you need at least 2 of the 3.

 

[rocket18]

Thought Nank did well. Did some great things under tremendous pressure. Will get better too.

Would hope if Nicks doesn't start him as sub.

Even when under pressure he seems to have time. Doesn't always work but you can see he has something.

Most of us can see it, unfortunately Nicks doesn't have an eye for talent.

 

[CrowBloke]

relapse said:
"Basically the low ceiling/high floor are players who have the potential to be great, but early are inconsistent and may have games were they only rate as a 2/10.

Or the flip side the high floor/low ceiling are the guys who will consistently be a 5-6 out of 10 every week, but that's the most you ever get out of them."
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Excellent post

Really? It confused the hell outta me.
What's the difference between " low ceiling/high floor" and "high floor/low ceiling", above??

 

[FullyBigKPro]

Leadership is what Dawson and Rankine did in that last quarter,.

This is irrefutable.

Dawson we got right as the captain, the other leaders sets a terrible standard of what is acceptable.

When the game is on the line we want leaders who embrace the pressure and most importantly execute.

This sets the standard for the next generation of what it takes to lead and win.

Hygiene factors are not leadership qualities, perhaps in Primary school, but not in a professional sport.

The Dawson 9 iron chip kick to Rachele was pure class and leadership, could have blazed away or fluffed the kick, but weighted it perfectly.

 

[1990crow]

relapse said:
"Basically the low ceiling/high floor are players who have the potential to be great, but early are inconsistent and may have games were they only rate as a 2/10.

Or the flip side the high floor/low ceiling are the guys who will consistently be a 5-6 out of 10 every week, but that's the most you ever get out of them."
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Really? It confused the hell outta me.
What's the difference between " low ceiling/high floor" and "high floor/low ceiling", above??

Not that complicated.

 

[BunjiMac]

Does Keays have the slowest decision making mind in the side?

You can literally see him stepping through options out there at a snails pace but constantly gets caught thinking or thinking he has more time than he thought.

 

[FullyBigKPro]

The amount of Low Football IQ players we have is astonishing.... Murphy, Jones, McHenry, Laird, ROB, Keays, Himmelburg, Smith... All seem totally incapable of making any sort of quick decision and executing under even a small amount of pressure.

As soon as we can get serious and fair dinkum and get rid of this bilge, we wont be a serious finalist contender.

 

[Checksider]

I'd love to see him on the Sunday Footy Show handball competition

And remember that kicking one they had on the old Crows Show?

I reckon at least 50% of random footy fans pulled off the street would be comfortably better kicks than him. It’s mind boggling.

 

[CrowBloke]

Composure sits alongside execution and Effort is a hygiene factor.

I'd have as my 3:

Skills and Execution/Composure
Footy Smarts/IQ
Speed and Power

These 3 are god given and generally can't be changed.

I agree that you need at least 2 of the 3.

Mate, it was a joke.
He said "3 main factors" but named four.

You've named five, so:

"Amongst the main factors are such diverse elements as ..." etc.

Also: "Effort is a hygiene factor"??
How are effort and hygiene related?

 

[Checksider]

The amount of Low Football IQ players we have is astonishing.... Murphy, Jones, McHenry, Laird, ROB, Keays, Himmelburg, Smith... All seem totally incapable of making any sort of quick decision and executing under even a small amount of pressure.

As soon as we can get serious and fair dinkum and get rid of this bilge, we wont be a serious finalist contender.

This is why we lose so many close games. It’s not luck, gameplan, or even the umpiring that is the worst offender - It’s that we have so many horribly uncomposed, low skill players in our 22.

When the pressure is on they deliver the same outcomes that they always do, butcher a scoring opportunity, cause a turnover, get hurt on the rebound, and we lose.

Not rocket science but it doesn’t seem like our club can see it. “We’re close” they say, but keep making the same mistakes and getting the same results.

 

[BunjiMac]

Mate, it was a joke.
He said "3 main factors" but named four.

You've named five, so:
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"Amongst the main factors are such diverse elements as ..." etc.

Also: "Effort is a hygiene factor"??
How are effort and hygiene related?

Sorry should have quoted froggys post wasn't responding to yours.

Have you never heard the term hygiene factor?

It's basically something that's not and shouldnt be a key focus or difference maker, but if you dont do it it's a problem.

The example of washing your hands is often given. No need to talk about it and everyone knows you should do it, but it's not the key focus and shouldnt be. However if you don't wash your hands that's a problem. This is why it's called a "hygiene" factor.

 

[CrowBloke]

Not that complicated.

Please tell me how " low ceiling/high floor" and "high floor/low ceiling" are not the same thing?
Hint, look at the words.

 

[footy4ever]

And, Collingwood were without Mihocek, Elliot and Adam Levine.

 

[ABAB]

And, Collingwood were without Mihocek, Elliot and Adam Levine.

Who were our outs?

 

[Checksider]

Who were our outs?

Murphy, McHenry, Rob, Smith, Jones were all in. So whoever wasn’t playing instead of them were significant outs.