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[Blackhawk42]

Well - I don't care much for the law a lot of the time if I don't think a law is serving it's purpose all that well.

I've got some very liberal views on illicit drugs for example. So I'm genuinely exploring this topic rather than coming at you with judgement. And so yes - I really wouldn't have any issue if all those GWS players were doing cocaine despite it being illegal. But I dunno - there's something about making fun of DV and sexual abuse that is completely outside my sense of being ok - regardless of how private the context is.

Interestingly, I have a bigger issue with drugs. Especially in regards to athletes.

You can't fake that stuff. It's potentially quite detrimental to your health.

One thing I should point out is that I likely wouldn't partake in the same behaviour these Giants players did. However, if I was in the room I'd probably view it for what it is. My mates being drunk dickheads in a private setting where nobody was actively being hurt and no laws were being broken.

 

[rei154]

Is this the body with exemplary practice?

So we've got making jokes out of:

• Drunken assault and rape
• Terrorism
• pedophilic rape
• Slavery

Idun reaching out to the club to see if he could dress how he did was interesting. I wonder if the club was aware that they were planning on enacting slave whipping?

 

[SJT76]

Again so predictable.

These players in a private setting decided to act like neanderthals according to some. No laws were broken.

Move on.

You have the morality police trying to dictate to 25-30 million people across Australia what is acceptable.

How about you all mind your own business and concern yourselves with your own family and friends.

But KiNg HiTs BlaH bLaH

No laws were broken, but employment policies and league rules were. They are being sanctioned within the bounds of employment, not the court system.

Complete nonsense to limit what is unacceptable to “no laws were broken”

 

[brad sue well]

A few are happy for others to take drugs, generally I agree. But then I thought about the toll on others… when it gets that far, massive impact.

More thinking time please…

 

[killerspud]

Interestingly, I have a bigger issue with drugs. Especially in regards to athletes.

You can't fake that stuff. It's potentially quite detrimental to your health.

One thing I should point out is that I likely wouldn't partake in the same behaviour these Giants players did. However, if I was in the room I'd probably view it for what it is. My mates being drunk dickheads in a private setting where nobody was actively being hurt and no laws were being broken.

If you 'likely wouldn't partake in it yourself' then why wouldnt you? So many people are using this line. I find the hypocrisy most amusing

 

[Blackhawk42]

If you 'likely wouldn't partake in it yourself' then why wouldnt you? So many people are using this line. I find the hypocrisy most amusing

I mean, if I did comedy I probably wouldn't come up with material as high on the crass scale as Jim Jefferies.

I also don't take drugs, but can be around mates who do and not change my opinion of them.

Different strokes and all that.

 

[phlogiston]

Here we go. We got the geniuses chiming in with anarchy and rule of law. What law was broken?

If you don’t like people behaving in an uncouth manner that’s a you problem. Walk the other way. Oh but no. I shouldn’t have to do that my feelings and rights are far more important.

OTOH, the standard of behaviour you walk past is the standard you condone.

It's an approach to life which has got me into sticky situations over the course of my life, but I'm far happier living my life this way than "walk[ing] the other way."

I'm not judging you for choosing to live your life differently to how I choose to live mine, BTW. Just offering a different perspective.

 

[brad sue well]

Comedian…

 

[Leather Poisoning]

Comedian…

Shifty dudes love the grey area.

They use jokes to test out their creepiness and when called out on they back track and say "don't take everything so seriously"

Many a true word said in jest.

 

[Sixpence]

If you 'likely wouldn't partake in it yourself' then why wouldnt you? So many people are using this line. I find the hypocrisy most amusing

How is it hypocrisy? You can't expect everyone you hang out with to have the exact same moral compass as you do. This is largely shaped by your experiences in life.

 

[Yardie]

Is this the body with exemplary practice?

This information should have been at the start of the conversation not "leaked" because of how the narrative was getting out of control.

 

[Rushed_Behind]

OTOH, the standard of behaviour you walk past is the standard you condone.

It's an approach to life which has got me into sticky situations over the course of my life, but I'm far happier living my life this way than "walk[ing] the other way."

I'm not judging you for choosing to live your life differently to how I choose to live mine, BTW. Just offering a different perspective.

Yeah here we go. I hope you apply that to every situation.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Note, if anyone really wants to know why the Giants actions should be punished just look at what their own women’s team have had to say about it.

They didn’t shut up shop and say nothing about their male work mates, they called them out.

And also…

 

[Matt Stevic]

OTOH, the standard of behaviour you walk past is the standard you condone.

It's an approach to life which has got me into sticky situations over the course of my life, but I'm far happier living my life this way than "walk[ing] the other way."

I'm not judging you for choosing to live your life differently to how I choose to live mine, BTW. Just offering a different perspective.

I don't want to pass judgement on anyone here.

But since I tried taking that approach to life, it's gotten much better. Anyone doing cocaine for example? You're out of my life immediately. No ifs or buts. Wish I had that approach years ago instead of waiting until age 30.

 

[kazzooka]

What he did was sleep with a girl who lied about her age to get into a nightclub when he was 19 and she was 15. He never did anything further once he’d determined she was underage. GWS players are idiots for making light of it but the press is also moronic for listing his name anywhere near ****ing Diddy’s.

I had a friend do the exact same thing when we were 22. He met a girl at Revs at 3am and they hooked up in the bathroom as is tradition. They exchanged details and she added him on facebook, and he looked trough the profile and saw she was still in highschool and he blocked her and we left.

 

[kazzooka]

Simulating sexual assault is going to get you in a shit tonne of trouble if you do it at a work christmas party. This is no different.

Yeah, even more trouble than an actual sexual assult at a work function like Ross Lyon had.

 

[CHUBBSS]

Breaking news, AFL players do stupid things and don't completely think through what they are doing. I'm sure we will be back here year on year. Gives the media some juice and may make their pre season a little more strict.

The AFL as the voice of morality is not it though

 

[cryptor]

Comedian…

Broden does love a 9/11 joke however

 

[kazzooka]

Comedian…

Now I have no idea what the GWS players actually did, and i'm sure it was the tasteless crass kind knowing footballers.

However, there is jokes about violence against women, and there are jokes about people who commit violence against women.

It is absolutely okay to tell jokes or do skits involving crimes if you are mocking perpetrator.

You could have the headline "Norm Macdonald makes jokes domestic violence and women being murdered by their husband" when really he made jokes that calling out OJ Simpson and the terrible injustice for his victims.

And that doesn't even go into the other type of comedy which is also acceptable, which is someone like Anthony Jesilnik who says outrageous things but it's clear he's a character

 

[brad sue well]

Shifty dudes love the grey area.

They use jokes to test out their creepiness and when called out on they back track and say "don't take everything so seriously"

Many a true word said in jest.

Plausible deniability.

 

[brad sue well]

Broden does love a 9/11 joke however

As has been said, context (not wanting you to dig up the joke itself). Not having a go at you cryptor.

Not a follower of his comedy but know his other presence, particularly linked to footy.

 

[Rushed_Behind]

I’m sure you all agree with him. You can treat conservative women any way you want.

 

[cryptor]

As has been said, context (not wanting you to dig up the joke itself). Not having a go at you cryptor.

Not a follower of his comedy but know his other presence, particularly linked to footy.

He doesn't have a "9/11 joke" in the sense that he's crafted a witty commentary on it, it's literally just childish references when that combination of numbers whenever it comes up (eg. in a scoreline). Same as 13 year olds laughing when 69 or 420 comes up somewhere in a different context.

I'm a fan of Broden, The Footy podcast and Aunty Donna. I agree with his tweet. I'm also not offended by him making light of 9/11 in the way he does. I guess I just find it mildly amusing that he's (rightly) condemning the GWS players making light of situations relating to sexual abuse and violence against women but completely avoided the fact that they've also had a couple players punished for making light of 9/11 and the reason for that is obvious.

 

[SJT76]

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I’m sure you all agree with him. You can treat conservative women any way you want.

Doesn’t need the “sweetie” on the end though

 

[Rushed_Behind]

Doesn’t need the “sweetie” on the end though

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Thats exactly what I was thinking. I mean telling a women to f*** right off is charming her.