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[Strapping Young Lad]

eldorado

 

[eldorado]

eldorado

No worries, Clarko...

 

[peetoo]

Clarko just spinningshit

Rossy does it and the sycophants rush to suck it up

 

[Yardie]

eldorado

He looks and sounds like a shadow of his former self. Hope I'm wrong.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

He looks and sounds like a shadow of his former self. Hope I'm wrong.

To say you weren't even watching footy or the club you were contracted to, pretty amazing slip of the tongue, or just a really dumb attempt to paint some romantic connection to a single player on a list of 35.

I smell a lot of bullshit.

 

[FB19]

You should not give me a million dollars.

That’s fine but my company only deals in Guyanese dollars and we charge a $7500 transfer fee.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Genuinely weird that anyone could see what letting Clarko take overwhelming control of the footy department does to a footy side and Norf, after the Noble experiment, went ‘oooo yes please, give us some of that!’.

 

[barbster]

I am pretty sure Buddy Rough and Lewis started in 2005.

We received a priority pick (Ellis) and picked up Dowler with our first pick in the 2005 draft.

 

[marklar]

I smell a lot of bullshit.

Clarko's cooked. Has been for a while and having a year off has only delayed his realisation, he's now trying to keep up the veil of adequacy until North pay him out in the next 18 months and find their next victim.

Very sad.

 

[Rioli magic]

Dangerfield approached to join commission in radical AFL first

The Cats captain and AFLPA president has been approached to fill the void in football experience on the AFL commission, in what would be a huge break from tradition.

www.theage.com.au

AFL found their "Yes Man"

WTF is this? How is this even remotely possible on so many levels…

You can’t be employed by a club and be on the commission…they’ve lost the plot.

 

[MasterSamurai]

Clarko = not just cooked , completely burnt!

 

[KermitJagger]

Genuinely weird that anyone could see what letting Clarko take overwhelming control of the footy department does to a footy side and Norf, after the Noble experiment, went ‘oooo yes please, give us some of that!’.

This is the thing. An experienced coach being given their second bite at the Apple hasn't worked since Lethal, not sure what they were expecting. Clarko immediately went back to the same tired old well and hired Ratten, Gibbo and Monky, and recruited Shiels and Howe. It's all well and good to bring across your own team when you're young and fresh with revolutionary ideas, but anyone who watched any Hawks football in his last few years knew exactly what'd happen.

 

[TheFourPillars]

To say you weren't even watching footy or the club you were contracted to, pretty amazing slip of the tongue, or just a really dumb attempt to paint some romantic connection to a single player on a list of 35.

I smell a lot of bullshit.

Clarko = not just cooked , completely burnt!

The thing about him singling out one player is so not the clarko that was winning premierships with us. It was always about the team. Franklin and Rioli lit it up so many times and he would just point to something else and move the conversation on. Its how u build premierships. No one is above the team. His mantra seems to have changed and not for the better

 

[Brishawk]

This is the thing. An experienced coach being given their second bite at the Apple hasn't worked since Lethal, not sure what they were expecting. Clarko immediately went back to the same tired old well and hired Ratten, Gibbo and Monky, and recruited Shiels and Howe. It's all well and good to bring across your own team when you're young and fresh with revolutionary ideas, but anyone who watched any Hawks football in his last few years knew exactly what'd happen.

Malthouse won flags at his second and third clubs. Ross lyon took his second club to a grand final and a few preliminary finals (on his third club). Malcolm blight, contemporary to matthews, made grand finals with his second side (technically second) and went to adelaide and won two.

By my count there have only been 14 first time premiership coaches in the afl era. And id bet most of the ones in the last decade were assistants under clarko. So if going with a former winner doesn’t work, how does going with an untried coach go? Pretty poorly, especially if they arent from a premiership winning club!

 

[peetoo]

WTF is this? How is this even remotely possible on so many levels…

You can’t be employed by a club and be on the commission…they’ve lost the plot.

Our pres had to resign when he joined the afl comission

 

[KermitJagger]

Malthouse won flags at his second and third clubs. Ross lyon took his second club to a grand final and a few preliminary finals (on his third club). Malcolm blight, contemporary to matthews, made grand finals with his second side (technically second) and went to adelaide and won two.

By my count there have only been 14 first time premiership coaches in the afl era. And id bet most of the ones in the last decade were assistants under clarko. So if going with a former winner doesn’t work, how does going with an untried coach go? Pretty poorly, especially if they arent from a premiership winning club!

How many teams the calibre of North were taken over by coaches at their second club? I can only think of Sheedy at GWS where there were no expectations. Generally if a coach goes back to footy it's to take a team that already has the makeup, not to start a rebuild essentially from scratch. If there's any greater success from second time coaches it's down to that.

Recent history would say you look for a highly rated assistant from a good outfit that might be looking to do things a little different. Clarko came from Port during a flag era, Ross came from Sydney during a flag era, Bomber came from North off the back of a flag, Hardwick, Simpson, Beveridge all came from Hawthorn during a flag era.

 

[Books]

WTF is this? How is this even remotely possible on so many levels…

You can’t be employed by a club and be on the commission…they’ve lost the plot.

Some people may have occasionally wondered if the AFL had a different set of rules for Geelong.

We are about to find out if it is now official.

 

[badgrill]

To say you weren't even watching footy or the club you were contracted to, pretty amazing slip of the tongue, or just a really dumb attempt to paint some romantic connection to a single player on a list of 35.

I smell a lot of bullshit.

yeah I reckon it's more of the latter, just trying to tell a story. As if there was some ****ing single-player lightbulb moment required to get him watching his own team again.

And if there was, that would be EXTREMELY troubling if I was a North fan or board member

 

[PenAndPaper]

God I love Nat Edwards giving it to Barrett. He's so uncomfortable when she does and is desperately trying to cling to trading Mitchell and O'Meara was the wrong thing to do

 

[The hands of stone]

yeah I reckon it's more of the latter, just trying to tell a story. As if there was some ******* single-player lightbulb moment required to get him watching his own team again.

And if there was, that would be EXTREMELY troubling if I was a North fan or board member

North are as low as you can get and have been rolling through coaches .
The few Ive spoken too find it all really positive .........but you probably would in their position .

For us having heard him for years there was alarm bells all through that press conference and to be honest since he took the job.

 

[Mercy Seat]

North are as low as you can get and have been rolling through coaches .
The few Ive spoken too find it all really positive .........but you probably would in their position .

For us having heard him for years there was alarm bells all through that press conference and to be honest since he took the job.

Some of you guys seem to forget that he's gone through absolute hell and back with this racism scandal. Maybe of his own doing, maybe not, but I've heard very reliably that he's been an absolute mess this year mentally as a result. Coaching is a job most live and breathe 100+ hours a week, so to even have a small amount of your attention on something else like that doesn't work.

I know a lot of North people who are still all in on him, however, I don't think too many would blame him if he stepped out completely. Regardless of his coaching ability, he's got a massive slog in front of him rebuilding this list, and to do it with one eye on HRC cases, etc, at his age, would be even harder.

I think if he really wanted to, he'd try and step back to more of a cultural role and bring in someone with the youth, fire and energy to roll up the sleeves and get to work, however, unfortunately, he's probably too proud and stubborn for that.

 

[cryptor]

The thing about him singling out one player is so not the clarko that was winning premierships with us. It was always about the team. Franklin and Rioli lit it up so many times and he would just point to something else and move the conversation on. Its how u build premierships. No one is above the team. His mantra seems to have changed and not for the better

Becomes pretty awkward if Wardlaw wants out of North in a couple years.

 

[HawthornHawk]

Been thinking about North's request for extra assistance and the more i do, the worse the idea seems to me, not from an equity point of view or because asking for more top end talent as a solution to your problems when you already have so many top 20 picks does not make sense (although both of those arguments still stand) but because the impact on the morale of the players must be terrible. When we started so badly this season, Sam was asked if he would be requesting a priority pick and he said no without hesitation. He said all the ingredients we need for success are here already. Contrast that to the message North's hierarchy are sending to their kids - 'we do not think you are going to be good enough in your own right but dont worry, the professional organisation you have joined has a strategy to turn things around - we are going to beg for help'! How can their young players have confidence in themselves if this is how the club views itself? I wonder it if is a coincidence that even with half the top picks they have, our team is heading in an upward direction while they continue to languish.

They know from experience over the past decade they no matter how much $ they offer big names, they will never land a gun player through trade or free agency. Their only hope at building a premiership list is with as many top draft picks as possible. Clarko doesn;t want North to be competitive next year he wants to win a flag

 

[The hands of stone]

Some of you guys seem to forget that he's gone through absolute hell and back with this racism scandal. Maybe of his own doing, maybe not, but I've heard very reliably that he's been an absolute mess this year mentally as a result. Coaching is a job most live and breathe 100+ hours a week, so to even have a small amount of your attention on something else like that doesn't work.

I know a lot of North people who are still all in on him, however, I don't think too many would blame him if he stepped out completely. Regardless of his coaching ability, he's got a massive slog in front of him rebuilding this list, and to do it with one eye on HRC cases, etc, at his age, would be even harder.

I think if he really wanted to, he'd try and step back to more of a cultural role and bring in someone with the youth, fire and energy to roll up the sleeves and get to work, however, unfortunately, he's probably too proud and stubborn for that.

I dont think myself or anyone were having a go at him . Just calling it as we see it.
I think its pretty obvious there's background stuff affecting him

 

[Ned Ryerson]

I dont think myself or anyone were having a go at him . Just calling it as we see it.
I think its pretty obvious there's background stuff affecting him

It’s also not Clarko’s fault if Norf went ‘hey you know how running the footy department, list management and coaching drove Hawthorn into the ditch - mind if we pay you top dollar to try it here?’. I’d have said yes as well.