No Oppo Supporters General AFL discussion and other club news

[Off The Couch]

The problem with that Jay, Is that the hawks have already spoken to him

 

[RoughysMullet]

Jay Clark's Geelong bias around the Smith deal has been absolutely sickening this off-season.

If Smith nominated us the media would’ve been calling for 2 x 1st rd picks

 

[The Golden Glenferrie]

If Smith nominated us the media would’ve been calling for 2 x 1st rd picks

And that you can guarantee.

Minimum two firsts, yet somehow Geelong hold the whip hand when their head is getting pushed under water

 

[Off The Couch]

Suppose it comes down to how badly dogs want him gone and whether they are brave enough to forgo the offer and make him pay - would love someone like Clarko to go **** him, we will take him

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Suppose it comes down to how badly dogs want him gone and whether they are brave enough to forgo the offer and make him pay - would love someone like Clarko to go **** him, we will take him

He'd be a far better recruit than Luke Parker.

 

[Off The Couch]

He'd be a far better recruit than Luke Parker.

The amount of talking up that Parker is getting, is mind blowing

 

[Crankyhawk]

Suppose it comes down to how badly dogs want him gone and whether they are brave enough to forgo the offer and make him pay - would love someone like Clarko to go **** him, we will take him

Should be st Kilda. They want mids, they have cap space.

 

[Books]

We may not like Geelong, but they deserve some credit for the latest move of getting Clayton Oliver

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Clayton Oliver

Age

27

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

27.8

5star

K

9.5

4star

HB

18.4

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

6.3

5star

CL

6.3

5star

D

25.1

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

14.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

5.6

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

19.2

5star

K

4.6

2star

HB

14.6

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

3.8

5star

to declare he would take a pay-cut to play for Geelong.

First, it fractures his relationship with Melbourne and makes it almost untenable. Second, it potentially lowers his trade value. Third, it means that no eyebrows will be raised when Oliver is "officially" paid only 60% of what he would earn at Melbourne.

Of course, it's fine for Oliver, because he knows the missing millions will be paid in "exclusive" land packages, and builders who "forget" to charge for labor, and big Cotton-On vouchers for the extended family.

Geelong do have a way of getting what they want without paying for it.

 

[flamin_heck]

We may not like Geelong, but they deserve some credit for the latest move of getting Clayton Oliver to declare he would take a pay-cut to play for Geelong.

First, it fractures his relationship with Melbourne and makes it almost untenable. Second, it potentially lowers his trade value. Third, it means that no eyebrows will be raised when Oliver is "officially" paid only 60% of what he would earn at Melbourne.

Of course, it's fine for Oliver, because he knows the missing millions will be paid in "exclusive" land packages, and builders who "forget" to charge for labor, and big Cotton-On vouchers for the extended family.

Geelong do have a way of getting what they want without paying for it.

If Oliver’s going nuclear then why don’t Melbourne just hold him for another year? Try and get his market value up.

 

[Hawkboy62]

Are you a Collingwood supporter? The only A graders on that list are Nick Daicos and De Geoy.

Nah. Was taking the piss out of their strategy. Hope we play them twice next year. Well actually, four times would be nice.

 

[peetoo]

The amount of talking up that Parker is getting, is mind blowing

‘Brings leadership and bloods culture’ lol. Media now excused from saying sydney sucks.

 

[peetoo]

Should be st Kilda. They want mids, they have cap space.

IMHO the club which most needs smith is the bulldogs

 

[unitedhawk]

Jay Clark's Geelong bias around the Smith deal has been absolutely sickening this off-season.

"Clubs saying privately there is no way they could take Bailey Smith in the draft without talking to him first."

The above makes sense.

However, clubs will have all the time in the world to talk to Smith between the end of the trade period and the draft itself.

So, how exactly does Geelong hold the whip hand, Jay???

 

[Off The Couch]

"Clubs saying privately there is no way they could take Bailey Smith in the draft without talking to him first."

The above makes sense.

However, clubs will have all the time in the world to talk to Smith between the end of the trade period and the draft itself.

So, how exactly does Geelong hold the whip hand, Jay???

Bailey can choose not to speak to anyone

 

[I got the outside word]

Bailey can choose not to speak to anyone

Not long ago it was reported he’d listen to anyone with a 6 (?) year deal on offer.

 

[Off The Couch]

Not long ago it was reported he’d listen to anyone with a 6 (?) year deal on offer.

But now there’s a mansion on the table

 

[unitedhawk]

Bailey can choose not to speak to anyone

Serious question: What does draft tampering constitute in this context?

 

[The hands of stone]

This is what shits me about the media. There are definitely biases Cal Twomey and his Bombers bias

It's not worth listening too.
I got 90 secs of Jenkins at the start of the week ....telling the dogs supporters they better expect to not got much for Smith ......followed by telling Dee's supporters they can't expect much for Oliver .
I wonder why he thinks and is pushing that

 

[KermitJagger]

It's not worth listening too.
I got 90 secs of Jenkins at the start of the week ....telling the dogs supporters they better expect to not got much for Smith ......followed by telling Dee's supporters they can't expect much for Oliver .
I wonder why he thinks and is pushing that

I hate the fact that free agency contracts can't be re-negotiated but if someone signs a 7 year deal worth squillions shortly before being able to exercise their free agency rights you can apparently do whatever you want with it. That's the most frustrating thing about the Oliver to Geelong stuff, they don't have to take on the contract at all.

 

[Simon Crawshay]

Every year it feels the draft is getting more and more compromised with contracted players dictating to their club where they want to go, academy picks, father son picks, crazy high draft picks as compo when restricted free agents move clubs, etc, etc.

And then to top it off Geelong could somehow manage to walk in Bailey Smith

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Bailey Smith

Age

24

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

8.5

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.8

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

9.6

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

3.2

4star

D

14.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.2

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.4

5star

CL

1.6

4star

and Clayton Oliver

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Clayton Oliver

Age

27

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

27.8

5star

K

9.5

4star

HB

18.4

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

6.3

5star

CL

6.3

5star

D

25.1

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

14.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

5.6

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

19.2

5star

K

4.6

2star

HB

14.6

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

3.8

5star

through some pretty shady (although not technically illegal) deals.

I wonder just how much more compromised the draft can get before they have to either so a hard reset or just do away with it completely like the NRL did?

 

[theiaofseed]

Every year it feels the draft is getting more and more compromised with contracted players dictating to their club where they want to go, academy picks, father son picks, crazy high draft picks as compo when restricted free agents move clubs, etc, etc.

And then to top it off Geelong could somehow manage to walk in Bailey Smith and Clayton Oliver through some pretty shady (although not technically illegal) deals.

I wonder just how much more compromised the draft can get before they have to either so a hard reset or just do away with it completely like the NRL did?

Should result it trade bans, the AFL should uphold the value of contracts and the draft's integrity.

 

[Threadkilla]

This is what shits me about the media. There are definitely biases Cal Twomey and his Bombers bias

I genuinely think these media w***ers reckon their shit takes and lobbying actually influences the outcomes and sets the narratives. Twomey does it every year with his draft ratings. The purple headed dork who pretends he’s cool by driving muscle cars clearly hates certain teams and lobbies for draft sanctions, etc.

 

[KermitJagger]

The legalities around it in Australia make it too complex, but the only solution to issues like the Oliver one is being able to deal players to other teams against their will.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

The legalities around it in Australia make it too complex, but the only solution to issues like the Oliver one is being able to deal players to other teams against their will.

Or the AFL forcing mediation with Geelong with both the Bulldogs and Melbourne to pay a fair price in line with prior trades - focussing their attention on the stupid price they got for Tim Kelly. We all know that won't happen though. The AFL should also be able to veto trades where absurd prices are being paid because of untenable situations like the Geelong ones with both their deals this year.

 

[flamin_heck]

Or the AFL forcing mediation with Geelong with both the Bulldogs and Melbourne to pay a fair price in line with prior trades - focussing their attention on the stupid price they got for Tim Kelly. We all know that won't happen though. The AFL should also be able to veto trades where absurd prices are being paid because of untenable situations like the Geelong ones with both their deals this year.

They are absolute vultures. I hope other teams just decide to treat them differently and won’t entertain dealing with them in the first place.