AFLW General AFLW Talk Thread

[NoddyHolder]

Free to those who can afford it. Very expensive for those who can't

 

[Portia]

Not the free market, the demand from women to want to play football, there has always been enough women involved in footy to make it happen is the point.

Its a stupid point then, particularly given it came in response to a post about country football. Its already a huge effort for families to get their sons to football matches, and certainly wasn't any easier thirty, fifty years ago, and who would consider spending that kind of effort on a daughter?

It also makes the standard `free market' mistake of forgetting that there are market forces that are anything but just and enabling, particularly for those that are systemically disfavored by society.

Whatever point you think you made, referring to demand, supply and markets and ignoring the massively powerful forces affecting them, renders it a pointless sideshow.

 

[chiwigi]

Free to those who can afford it. Very expensive for those who can't

My query is basically how can a sport with long history of around 50% female participation (in all areas) be so far behind sports wth a participation level of around 1-10% in terms of playing.

There are clearly factors involved, but what were they? And why were they present in footy and not the other sports?

 

[chiwigi]

Its a stupid point then, particularly given it came in response to a post about country football. Its already a huge effort for families to get their sons to football matches, and certainly wasn't any easier thirty, fifty years ago, and who would consider spending that kind of effort on a daughter?

It also makes the standard `free market' mistake of forgetting that there are market forces that are anything but just and enabling, particularly for those that are systemically disfavored by society.

Whatever point you think you made, referring to demand, supply and markets and ignoring the massively powerful forces affecting them, renders it a pointless sideshow.

If you read the post I concede that market was probably not the best term as the analogy doesn't entirely fit.

 

[Portia]

Except you're using the same thinking by proposing that the absence of something means there's no `demand' for it.

 

[chiwigi]

Except you're using the same thinking by proposing that the absence of something means there's no `demand' for it.

I'm asking the extra question why wasn't the demand filled when the structures and the people were involved, yet similar demands were filled in lots of other far more male dominated and just as 'rough' sports.

I'm not asking to be controversial, I'm asking because I don't know. Even now I have had to literally BEG for a female coach to help out and this is in groups who have been season ticket holders at the footy for years.

 

[NoddyHolder]

My query is basically how can a sport with long history of around 50% female participation (in all areas) be so far behind sports wth a participation level of around 1-10% in terms of playing.

There are clearly factors involved, but what were they? And why were they present in footy and not the other sports?

It's historically interesting. I come from a very passionate footy supporting family and the women in the family, going back at least to my grandparents' generation, have been almost more dedicated than the men.

Tight shorts might be the answer.

 

[Peck]

Honestly why forbid girls from playing in the boys league. Such a ****ing stupid rule.

 

[manureid]

Its a stupid point then, particularly given it came in response to a post about country football. Its already a huge effort for families to get their sons to football matches, and certainly wasn't any easier thirty, fifty years ago, and who would consider spending that kind of effort on a daughter?

Is this in response to starting up a girls comp, or just getting a daughter to all of her sporting commitments? Cos the mileage on my car says otherwise!!

 

[chiwigi]

Is this in response to starting up a girls comp, or just getting a daughter to all of her sporting commitments? Cos the mileage on my car says otherwise!!

Exactly, so why not footy? Other sports (including those played in Australia) have managed for many years with far, far lower female participation and spectator numbers.

 

[DaTBird187]

Honestly why forbid girls from playing in the boys league. Such a ******* stupid rule.

It would end badly.

 

[5um0F1]

Honestly why forbid girls from playing in the boys league. Such a ******* stupid rule.

Not really. I was involved with a junior team at the time and the girls were "changing" physically and it caused some questions to be raised by the boys at the time.
As kids mature separating the male and female into their own league is a good idea.
Even in the last year (U12) the mixed team played some of the parents and kids were concerned that too much contact between the opposite genders could cause problems.

 

[Eddie Dingle]

No pun intended but tackle and tackling along with damage to pubescent breasts were raised as issues when I was a kid in 1847.

 

[Peck]

Not really. I was involved with a junior team at the time and the girls were "changing" physically and it caused some questions to be raised by the boys at the time.
As kids mature separating the male and female into their own league is a good idea.
Even in the last year (U12) the mixed team played some of the parents and kids were concerned that too much contact between the opposite genders could cause problems.

Far out.

"Questions were raised" What exactly is wrong with that? It sounds like the "boys" had received very poor sexual education to me.

"Too much contact between opposite genders" Now this is just ridiculous.

 

[5um0F1]

Far out.

"Questions were raised" What exactly is wrong with that? It sounds like the "boys" had received very poor sexual education to me.

"Too much contact between opposite genders" Now this is just ridiculous.

Its nothing to do with sexual education.

Kids of both sexes are pretty similar in height, weight and strength until their early teens where a difference starts to become noticeable.
Boys as they enter puberty (generally) will tackle a lot harder and are more aggressive than they were at their pre-puberty days.

U12 (in my day) is when full contact starts and there is a very real chance of injury.
I suppose we would water down the competition and award everyone a participation medal but that defeats the object of getting the best out of your players.
You may think/wish we are in PC paradise but there are very real differences between teenage boys and girls as they get into puberty.

 

[Garibaldi Red]

Not really. I was involved with a junior team at the time and the girls were "changing" physically and it caused some questions to be raised by the boys at the time.
As kids mature separating the male and female into their own league is a good idea.
Even in the last year (U12) the mixed team played some of the parents and kids were concerned that too much contact between the opposite genders could cause problems.

I coached an U'13 side and the opposition had two girls as their rucks. The young lads came in at quarter time and a couple of the boys put out their fingers and said "smell that". There were a few laughs but we bought them into line pretty quickly, especially as their parents were milling around.

One of the guys in the side at the time was a well known TPFP poster who had a very special hat.

 

[Ateen7tee]

Its nothing to do with sexual education.

Kids of both sexes are pretty similar in height, weight and strength until their early teens where a difference starts to become noticeable.
Boys as they enter puberty (generally) will tackle a lot harder and are more aggressive than they were at their pre-puberty days.

U12 (in my day) is when full contact starts and there is a very real chance of injury.
I suppose we would water down the competition and award everyone a participation medal but that defeats the object of getting the best out of your players.
You may think/wish we are in PC paradise but there are very real differences between teenage boys and girls as they get into puberty.

It's not just an issue at that age; it's an issue in any mixed sport activity.

I remember playing a few games of mixed basketball in my very early 20s. In one game I went up at full speed for a regulation lay-up. As I was already airborne a female opponent ran into my landing zone. Suffice to say she came off second best when a landed on top of her causing her to fly across the floor. After the game I had to contend with an angry boyfriend wanting to punch my lights out!

 

[chiwigi]

It's not just an issue at that age; it's an issue in any mixed sport activity.

I remember playing a few games of mixed basketball in my very early 20s. In one game I went up at full speed for a regulation lay-up. As I was already airborne a female opponent ran into my landing zone. Suffice to say she came off second best when a landed on top of her causing her to fly across the floor. After the game I had to contend with an angry boyfriend wanting to punch my lights out!

Yup, had similar playing hockey, got nutmegged and she ran straight into me to get through, she bounced off (I was stationary) and I got accused of knocking her over.

 

[tribey]

I can't imagine where the SMA would look to make up the shortfall.

 

[1954]

It's not that long ago, (up to the mid to late 70's? ) that boys and girls were put in seperate classes after 5th grade in South Australia.
There were no mixed classes in my 4 years of high school either ( which as far as I'm aware was par for the course ), so the chances of competing against girls at any sport, ( even tennis ) was virtually zero.

Conversely, my son who commenced year 1 in 1997, was in mixed classes for his entire 12 years in the school system.

Maybe the other states did it differently?

 

[Eddie Dingle]

It's not that long ago, (up to the mid to late 70's? ) that boys and girls were put in separate classes after 5th grade in South Australia.
There were no mixed classes in my 4 years of high school either ( which as far as I'm aware was par for the course ), so the chances of competing against girls at any sport, ( even tennis ) was virtually zero.

Conversely, my son who commenced year 1 in 1997, was in mixed classes for his entire 12 years in the school system.

Maybe the other states did it differently?

Don't even do seperate barrels in SA anymore.

 

[manureid]

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I can't imagine where the SMA would look to make up the shortfall.

Looking forward to my $20 Dark Ale this season.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

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I can't imagine where the SMA would look to make up the shortfall.

If the SMA sell $400k of food and beverage then as it will be during the footy season ie from and including 15th March, and its a footy event not a concert, they would give the SANFL a commission on these sales, of somewhere between 20%-25% has been my calculation from the scant figures that have been made available to the public. For the good of the game, would the SANFL forgo that $80k-$100k sales commission?????????

 

[Alberton Proud]

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I can't imagine where the SMA would look to make up the shortfall.

 

[tribey]

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Free Lunch, what of it?

• The 8 SANFL clubs
• AFLW

Can we have our own matchday revenues pls aka filthy wharfie bludgers:

• Port Paaa
• Pormagpieth