George Bailey

[Yoda_]

Is George Bailey (Tasmania Tigers) the most over rated batsmen in the country?

He has never produced big runs when required, and goes missing when everyon else fails. Never scored an ODD centruy, yet is appointed captain. What is going on in the state of Tasmania.

Just want to know what people think of him? Over rated? Under rated?

 

[anti dukes]

Ease up.

He scored a 100 in the last two sheild games last year. Top scored in the first shield game of the year with 90 odd.

80 odd the other night. He has been the best batsman for the tigers over the past year.

Yes he hasn't scored a one day domestic hundred, but he did bat at 6-7 for his first 25 games to come in and lift the run rate for the last 15 overs.

 

[CAS79]

Is George Bailey (Tasmania Tigers) the most over rated batsmen in the country?

He has never produced big runs when required, and goes missing when everyon else fails. Never scored an ODD centruy, yet is appointed captain. What is going on in the state of Tasmania.

Just want to know what people think of him? Over rated? Under rated?

Not totally true as he pulled a big score out for us a couple of years ago in a chase. However if your talking about pushing his name forward for higher duties you are.

Bailey is the most disappointing batsman in the country. He gets himself out more than anyone I've seen.

Before last season Bailey was pursued by the redbacks and we need to keep him, have a look at the rest of our batting, it's performing worse than Bails with the exception of Paine, Bailey can hit the ball any where but to often decided to hit it to square leg or point in the air.

 

[mewquietachiever]

Unfortunately George is proving to be a disappointment overall.

I always thought and hoped he could have a jamie cox,jamie siddons type career 1000 run seasons consistently and maybe push upwards for national honours,but i feel he may end up another (for those who can remember )Danny Buckingham.I always liked Danny and he had ability,but i feel George may end up the same.

Just over 3000 fc runs at under 40, and he is coming into his peak years ,captaincy this year will either make or break him,i would like to see him succeed(we share the same home town)but not convinced .

His interview last night at the end of the game was horrible ,he was grinning and imo came across almost flippant after we had vics 5/150 and there best 2 hodge and hussey out for less than 50,and couldn't defend 300.Expected a bit more,would not have seen this from david hussey,chris simpson or dare i say it dan marsh.

 

[Japes]

Is George Bailey (Tasmania Tigers) the most over rated batsmen in the country?

What a weird question. Bailey has been a very solid player for Tassie over the years.

On first thought, I'd put the likes of David Hussey, Rob Quiney, Mark Cosgrove, Chris Simpson and (from his own state) Travis Birt and Michael Dighton well above him on the overrated list even without really thinking too deeply about it.

 

[hotdish]

Unfortunately George is proving to be a disappointment overall.

I always thought and hoped he could have a jamie cox,jamie siddons type career 1000 run seasons consistently and maybe push upwards for national honours,but i feel he may end up another (for those who can remember )Danny Buckingham.I always liked Danny and he had ability,but i feel George may end up the same.

Just over 3000 fc runs at under 40, and he is coming into his peak years ,captaincy this year will either make or break him,i would like to see him succeed(we share the same home town)but not convinced .

His interview last night at the end of the game was horrible ,he was grinning and imo came across almost flippant after we had vics 5/150 and there best 2 hodge and hussey out for less than 50,and couldn't defend 300.Expected a bit more,would not have seen this from david hussey,chris simpson or dare i say it dan marsh.

I think thats a pretty poor post.

Danny Buckingham? Cmon - maybe if Bailey put on another 50kg, but motivation and fitness are not problems for Bailey.

Bailey is clearly in the selectors minds for the future - we all know he has the talent to play for Australia, its stepping up to the next level consistency wise that is the issue. He has performed well at Aus A level.

I think Bailey is a very consistent player, and at age 27, has another 10 years of good cricket ahead of him.

Bailey is naturally affable, so its no surprise that he wasn't cranky on TV after the game - I'm sure behind closed doors there was alot of soul-searching and that the team wasn't happy to lose. Likewise being the team's leader is no easy task - it will take time for him to become comfortable in the role, and to balance his leadership style with the needs of the team.

Someone claimed that he is the most dissapoiting batsmen in Australia. Thats bullcrap (Cosgrove and Pomersbach).

Lots of young kids have been given free entry into the Australian team in the past (Pomersbach,Cosgrove,Ferguson, Henriques etc.). If he is given a go in the 1dayers, I'm sure he would perform well (as would Birt).

He will never play test cricket, but i'm sure he could one day play some 1dayers.

 

[Exhale You]

On first thought, I'd put the likes of David Hussey, Rob Quiney, Mark Cosgrove, Chris Simpson and (from his own state) Travis Birt and Michael Dighton well above him on the overrated list even without really thinking too deeply about it.

Obviously.

Bob Quiney's career is about on par with George Bailey's.
However, one of them played in junior international teams, has been a vice-captain for years, is now a state captain, has been hyped up since early in his career and now has a stack of experience whilst the other didn't make any of those elite squads, didn't even make his first-class debut until the age of 25 and has been a fringe selection for his state throughout his career.

You tell me which one is 'overrated' and underperforming.

Simpson, Birt and Dighton haven't really been rated by anyone, so it'd be difficult for them to be 'overrated'.

George Bailey is a genuinely nice bloke who, in isolation, has had a solid first-class career however when you consider his talent, the hype and the early signs, you'd have to say he's had a underwhelming and disappointing career to date.

Bailey is clearly in the selectors minds for the future - we all know he has the talent to play for Australia, its stepping up to the next level consistency wise that is the issue. He has performed well at Aus A level.

I agree with all that, although i think another issue that holds him back is his inability to turn a start into a big score.
He's only made seven first-class centuries in 51 matches.
Now that's about average for career first-class cricketers but players with the ability to gain higher honours should have a far better conversion rate after 50 matches (and by the age of 27).
Callum Ferguson has the same conversion problem at first-class level but he's a few years behind Bailey in terms of both age and experience so he's got more time to address it before it becomes a real issue.

I think Bailey is a very consistent player, and at age 27, has another 10 years of good cricket ahead of him.

Very few cricketers are still playing 'good cricket' at the age of 37.
He definitely does still have the time to take his career from 'solid first-class player' to 'elite first-class player' but it's really crunch time now he's leading his state, is mature and has plenty of experience.

Someone claimed that he is the most dissapoiting batsmen in Australia. Thats bullcrap (Cosgrove and Pomersbach).

Absolutely.
Cosgrove is easily the most disappointing batsman in the land given his ability, the hype and his output.
Bailey has been disappointing, but nowhere near the level of Cosgrove.

Lots of young kids have been given free entry into the Australian team in the past (Pomersbach,Cosgrove,Ferguson, Henriques etc.). If he is given a go in the 1dayers, I'm sure he would perform well (as would Birt).

That's a bit harsh on both Cosgrove and Ferguson as they'd both put together quite good domestic one-day careers at a young age before being given a shot, but the point is a good one.
The issue though is age, with all those you mentioned given a chance in their early 20's whereas Bailey is already 27 and despite playing one-day cricket for the best part of a decade has yet to get his average to 30 and still hasn't made a century.

He scored a 100 in the last two sheild games last year.

He did, but in the other 18 innings for the year he only passed 40 twice.
That's got to be a disappointing return for a player of his talent and experience.

 

[kenrosewall]

Frustrates the hell out me watching George Bailey. One of my favourite players, yet constantly getting starts and not going on with it. I do however think he has started turning the corner and 2009/10 will be the year his talent and potential finally shines through.

Here are his last 10 scores for each of the domestic competitions (most recent last):

SS- 7, 36, 130*, 25, 123, 30, 34, 90, 5 & 25 Avg. 56.11

FRC- 17, 32, 33, 9, 39, 7, 56, 2, 87 & 63 Avg. 34.50

Lots of 20's and 30's with breakthrough tons in 2 consecutive matches at the end of 08/09 has seen some consistency with some continual improvement.

Anyone bagging George for his attitude after the loss to Victoria the other night during that interview clearly do not know him and therefore should not comment.

 

[Japes]

Bob Quiney's career is about on par with George Bailey's.
However, one of them played in junior international teams, has been a vice-captain for years, is now a state captain, has been hyped up since early in his career and now has a stack of experience whilst the other didn't make any of those elite squads, didn't even make his first-class debut until the age of 25 and has been a fringe selection for his state throughout his career.

You tell me which one is 'overrated' and underperforming.

Perhaps if you stopped trolling you'd figure out that Quiney has been selected for Australia's senior squad and Bailey hasn't. In a form of the game where Quiney averages 15 and Bailey 32, no less.

I'd say that represents decent evidence that (a comparatively seriously underperforming) Quiney is being rated more highly than Bailey by people in pretty powerful positions in Australian cricket, wouldn't you?

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

I remember him coming through the ranks as a kid.

Selection night, and I was "given" a prodigy from the u/16s - some kid who'd made 3 hundreds in a row. In a team regularly bowled out for double figures, (or conceding 250...sometimes both) - it was a godsend.

He played 5 games that year for us, before being promoted to the ones. He made 17 runs in five innings...getting himself out virtually every time.

Hit the ball amazingly hard, and made it seem so effortless....just had a penchance for hitting in the air.....which he's never eradicated from his game.

 

[Exhale You]

Perhaps if you stopped trolling you'd figure out that Quiney has been selected for Australia's senior squad and Bailey hasn't. In a form of the game where Quiney averages 15 and Bailey 32, no less.

Trolling? Grow up.

An opinion that differs from your own doesn't equate to trolling.

I love watching George Bailey, he makes cricket fun and i have nothing against him, but given his talent and the hype he has been overrated and has underachieved.

Hit the ball amazingly hard, and made it seem so effortless....just had a penchance for hitting in the air.....which he's never eradicated from his game.

That's an excellent observation.
He's right up there with guys like Mark Waugh and Brad Hodge in terms of cricketers who seem to do it all so effortlessly, but i guess with the quality and depth of our domestic scene, you need more than just a boatload of talent.

Does George have that killer instinct? That burning desire to be the best?
I'm only seeing him from the outside, but he comes across as a laconic, happy-go-lucky guy who isn't too fazed by anything, good or bad, much like Mark Waugh early in his career.
There's nothing wrong with having that persona, but i don't know whether it's ideal for a captain.

 

[Japes]

Trolling? Grow up.

An opinion that differs from your own doesn't equate to trolling.

When you attempt to take the you-know-what out of something another poster says and use the word "obviously" in such a demeaning way in the process, I'd call it trying to provoke a reaction and therefore trolling.

Then add into the mix the comments you made about Bailey's background (some of it relating to things from nearly a decade ago, for Pete's sake) that were highly irrelevant to any current comparison with Quiney. Not to mention your bizarre repeated use throughout this thread of the word "hype" when talking about him. Bailey has been "hyped" up more than most other promising young batsmen? Seriously, give us a break.

You have also now ignored a very straightforward question that was put to you. In a post that only contained three sentences. Call me cynical, but it's not tough to interpret that as another sign that you're not much bothered about debating the issue seriously with me.

 

[mewquietachiever]

I think thats a pretty poor post.

Danny Buckingham? Cmon - maybe if Bailey put on another 50kg, but motivation and fitness are not problems for Bailey.





Was never comparing bailey and buckys body shape ,just there career so far Danny
Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave 100 50
83 141 13 4769 167 37.25 9 24
George
Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 4s 6s Ct St
51 95 9 3233 155 37.59 5847 55.29 7 17 31 0


My point was george has ability and it would be good to see him achieve it ,otherwise he is on the same path as danny,and if hes happy with that so be it,but anyone watching him know he can achieve greater,its upto him.

 

[mewquietachiever]

Frustrates the hell out me watching George Bailey. One of my favourite players, yet constantly getting starts and not going on with it. I do however think he has started turning the corner and 2009/10 will be the year his talent and potential finally shines through.

Here are his last 10 scores for each of the domestic competitions (most recent last):

SS- 7, 36, 130*, 25, 123, 30, 34, 90, 5 & 25 Avg. 56.11

FRC- 17, 32, 33, 9, 39, 7, 56, 2, 87 & 63 Avg. 34.50

Lots of 20's and 30's with breakthrough tons in 2 consecutive matches at the end of 08/09 has seen some consistency with some continual improvement.

Anyone bagging George for his attitude after the loss to Victoria the other night during that interview clearly do not know him and therefore should not comment.

Sorry but you do not have to know someone to place a comment,i do not know ,Kevin Rudd,wayne carey or ricky ponting but i will comment.

I stand by what i said his attitude was very casual and loose for a 'losing' captain.Sure he might be a cool ,relaxed person but when you lose its not normally a grin fest.

 

[kenrosewall]

Sorry but you do not have to know someone to place a comment,i do not know ,Kevin Rudd,wayne carey or ricky ponting but i will comment.

I stand by what i said his attitude was very casual and loose for a 'losing' captain.Sure he might be a cool ,relaxed person but when you lose its not normally a grin fest.

Clearly Cricket Tasmania do not agree with you, and therefore made him captain. When your opinion is incorrect, you should keep it to yourself.

 

[Yoda_]

Clearly Cricket Tasmania do not agree with you, and therefore made him captain. When your opinion is incorrect, you should keep it to yourself.

Or Cricket Tasmania had no other options!

Who else could of been mace captain? I'll give you reasons to players you suggest as to why they shouldnt be made captain.

Fire away

 

[mewquietachiever]

Clearly Cricket Tasmania do not agree with you, and therefore made him captain. When your opinion is incorrect, you should keep it to yourself.

KR ,sorry but the whole point of this website is to express an opinion.

The only thing that will prove my opinion or cricket tasmania's opinion correct or incorrect is results this season.

I have not once raised why is he captain,just his captaincy and in particular his 'relaxed ' attitude after a loss.

I hope the tigers and george have a good season,make the finals in the FRC and SS,but at the moment not convinced.

cheers.

 

[kenrosewall]

Add another ton for the man.

 

[anti dukes]

Add another ton for the man.

He is just about the form batsman of the country at the moment. His one day form, and shield form this season has been excellent. Lets hope it continues.

 

[caboose]

What a thread.

One person questioning whether George Bailey is the most overrated batsman in the country. Then another saying that Quiney (yeah, Quiney) is on a par with Bailey!

WTF??

 

[CAS79]

What a thread.

One person questioning whether George Bailey is the most overrated batsman in the country. Then another saying that Quiney (yeah, Quiney) is on a par with Bailey!

WTF??

Hey Caboose, Good to see you on a Tasmanian cricket thread... After all these years of on and off argumentsd it's good we take the same side on something

 

[caboose]

Haha .. I totally agree, mate. It's just as pleasant an experience for me as it is for you.

I still can't believe what I read on this thread earlier. Bailey is nothing like the most overrated or underperforming player around at domestic level. Anyone saying otherwise has a dreadfully poor knowledge of state cricket.

Anyway, how have you been? Haven't seen you around for ages.

 

[the missing head]

so far this year he is averaging 53+ in the Shield and 58+ in the ODD so is going ok the kid... will be good to watch in the twenty20 on Sunday as well

 

[WattsGoodForYou]

Is George Bailey (Tasmania Tigers) the most over rated batsmen in the country?

He has never produced big runs when required, and goes missing when everyon else fails. Never scored an ODD centruy, yet is appointed captain. What is going on in the state of Tasmania.

Just want to know what people think of him? Over rated? Under rated?

Premature evaluation?

 

[hotdish]

Another good knock from George Bailey today:

30* off 16 with 2x6 and 1x4 for the Aus XI tonight in Brissie...