Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 3

[Gunf]

The Dogs dont have any right to send him to the draft, they dont have any rights over an uncontracted player. But for some reason, we require that even an uncontracted player has to be traded to another club. That contradiction is a hold over from the amateur days of this sport. If the Dogs had any right over the player then he wouldnt go to the draft in the first place in the absence of a trade being found. The reason we send players to the draft is precisely because the Dogs have lost any "rights" to that player.

It also isnt "running to mum" and im not sure why you would say that? it's a fairly dumb take, this isnt the school yard, despite what you hear on SEN. We wouldnt be going to anybody, it would be the AFL/AFLPA stepping in to prevent a much more embarrassing situation to develop if a club does choose to roll the dice. In the professional era of salary caps, free agency and player movement the game cant have a player who does not have a contract be forced into a situation where he either is a) redrafted to the club he has elected to leave or b) gets drafted to a club he has no desire to be at. At which point he is either forced to a) accept a worse/less valuable contract to keep playing or b) he has to basically sit out a year because he cant/wont agree to a new but worse contract, only to then go through the whole situation again the following year. That situation alones makes a complete mockery of the salary cap if nothing else.

Smith is uncontracted and has a 6 year deal infront of him at Geelong which he has said he wants to sign. In any other professional sport around the world that would be enough for the move to happen, as Smith, if he was playing in those sports, would be a Free Agent the second his contract was allowed to expire. The notion that we need to trade for him at this stage is ridiculous, and if the Dogs push it as far as the draft then i really do think the AFL would step in.

If the Dogs pushed it to sending him to the draft without there being a certain outcome anyway, and he gets drafted by a club other than us, it creates an untenable situation for the AFL, as it totally exposes a huge flaw in our contract and free agency rules. It may even open the AFL up to litigation from Smith and his management and/or the AFLPA (not a legal expert though). A situation they will want to avoid at all costs.

In a more mature AFL, this rule would be eliminated, and Smith would be a Free Agent now. As in a more mature system, youd either extend him or trade him while he still has time to run on his old deal. You wouldnt "hold players to contracts" simply because you can trade them anyway once those contracts expire. From a player welfare perspective alone that situation should not be allowed to happen.

Great post

I expect the next step the AFL goes will be RFA for any player out of contract so they can keep the media circus of will they match, what compo pick will they get and of course so they can continue to give bullshit picks out using the compensation system without looking like they are handing them out like candy.

And maybe eventually in about 15 year players will finally be fully OOC when they are OOC and can just move to whomever they choose without all the bullshit.

 

[Gunf]

Wouldn't surprise me if the deal is already done and dusted between Mackie and Power.

But then the AFL steps in and says "that's great fellas, good job, but would you mind holding off on lodging the paperwork and making it public until the last hour? Oh, and if you could do a bit of grandstanding and tough talking with the media in the meantime, we'd really appreciate it."

"Oh and Mack? Congrats on getting that Clarry deal done yesterday too. Yeah, if we could hold that one until the last minute too, that would be awesome. Fellas, this last hour next week is gonna be must-watch TV!"

Also wouldn't surprise me if they had agreed to 90% of the deal and both are just posturing to see if the other blinks or gets a better hand towards then end

 

[iameviljez]

What's changed is how to manage the situation when those expectations aren't met. Way back when I was Clarry's age it would be "shape up or ship out", or maybe even a minor ass kicking to remind him that the expectations are there and expected to be adhered to.

Well, that or the expectation was there that footballers are Gods, boys will be boys and can wind up windows on the necks of anyone they like.

Melbourne's major problem here is that they have a six-year contract remaining.

 

[Zouz Kitty]

I personally think we'll lose SDK before acquiring TDK. Can't see it happening

A girl can dream

 

[Gunf]

Well, that or the expectation was there that footballers are Gods, boys will be boys and can wind up windows on the necks of anyone they like.

Melbourne's major problem here is that they have a six-year contract remaining.

Yep if he only had 2 years left on his contract they would 100% be trading him out and have a lot more potential buyers as the contract wouldn't be a complete albatross that would require having to almost give him away.

 

[iameviljez]

2 way street ... You can't as a club seriously expect your players to have a good culture when the rot starts at the top and bleeds down.

I agree in terms of 'a good culture'. However, it's not like Oliver has just mentally checked out a little or is feeling a little disposable - it's that he has good beyond any boundary that would be reasonably set by even an under-18s side.

 

[Zouz Kitty]

St Kilda are going after everyone

Probably are + they’re desperate. In the scheme of things, who would want to play with Ross Lyon as coach?

 

[iameviljez]

Probably are + they’re desperate. In the scheme of things, who would want to play with Ross Lyon as coach?

Plenty. Max King just re-signed a long term deal, MacRae and Soldo are probably going there.

 

[iameviljez]

Yep if he only had 2 years left on his contract they would 100% be trading him out and have a lot more potential buyers as the contract wouldn't be a complete albatross that would require having to almost give him away.

Yep - that, and when footy was a part-time game, it was less mentally onerous and all-consuming. Someone like Ablett Senior wouldn't have done well with the demands of full-time football as a young man.

Guys like Phil Carman and Mark Jackson weren't on mega-contracts, so they could be moved out when holding them became untenable.

 

[Johanpetro]

Plenty. Max King just re-signed a long term deal, MacRae and Soldo are probably going there.

Macrae and Saldo are scraps. There’s been plenty of good players that have turned down huge contracts not to play at that rabble and with Ross

 

[iameviljez]

Macrae and Saldo are scraps. There’s been plenty of good players that have turned down huge contracts not to play at that rabble and with Ross

That's got a lot more to do with the fact that it's StKilda than it is Ross, IMO. StKilda - along with the other small Melbourne clubs - has always struggled to attract big names. They just keep get picked off by the big boys down the road.

 

[supahoops]

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Should’ve gone with Revelation 13:18, got dispensation to wear 666 from the Prelim onwards, played like a Beast and we could sit through this trade period in the glow of the Holy Grail oops forgot about the religious thingy my bad.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

 

[CatToTheFuture]

seem like a lot of hte narrative in sending players to the draft is to show strength and not show the club to be push overs for any future players that wants out. this is the biggest rubbish narrative of all as how many trades in the past have been done directly due to clubs been apparent push overs.

This part I don't get. They see themselves as pushovers because Dunkley left, and they got an unders deal, but Dunkley left because they added Treloar, in a deal that humiliated Collingwood.

 

[iameviljez]

Should’ve gone with Revelation 13:18, got dispensation to wear 666 from the Prelim onwards, played like a Beast and we could sit through this trade period in the glow of the Holy Grail oops forgot about the religious thingy my bad.

Careful... you're about to be kicked out of heaven

 

[cats_09]

Wouldn't this be draft tampering?

 

[Zouz Kitty]

Geelong will attempt to trade pick 17 for Western Bulldogs’ Bailey Smith before considering whether the jet ballwinner would make it to the Cats in the national draft.

The Cats are happy to swap their first-round draft pick but have so far baulked at the Dogs’ demands for a secondary selection as well in exchange for the 23-year-old.

It leaves the two clubs at an early loggerheads with rival clubs expecting the Smith deal to be one of the most protracted and frustrating negotiations of this year’s trade period.

Dogs’ list boss Sam Power set the tone for the discussions on Monday saying he thought “Bailey was worth a lot” due to his on-field prowess and off-field marketability.

But the Cats may have the upper hand in discussions because of the view rival clubs would be reluctant to use a first-round draft pick on Smith if he slipped through to the national draft.

Smith has been open about some mental health issues which he has faced throughout his career which has included a year-long recovery from a knee reconstruction this season.

This year’s draft is also exciting recruiters for its quality and depth in the first-round, adding to the potential Smith would still be available at the Cats first pick.

Former Collingwood and St Kilda onballer Luke Ball made it to the Magpies at pick 30 in 2009 while ex-Carlton forward Jack Martin was taken by the Blues in the 2019 preseason draft.

Geelong football boss Andrew Mackie said the Cats had every intention of striking a trade with the Dogs, but did not reveal the price the club was prepared to pay.

“I will keep that between Sam and I and those conversations, as I said, it is great that Bailey wants to come, and he is out of contract,” Mackie said.

“Our intention is to do a trade and make sure the Bulldogs are compensated.”

Mackie said Geelong appealed to Smith for a number of reasons after playing on the fringes of the Dogs’ midfield brigade over his career.

The Cats want Smith to play inside the centre square for the first time in his career to bolster their onball options.

“Bailey has been spending a little bit of time in Geelong over the past couple of years and likes the idea of spending more time down there,” Mackie said.

“On field clearly he has some assets but I think without going into too much detail he gives us flexibility from an on-field point of view.

“There is a lot of water to go under the bridge before he is a Cats’ player.”

Power, who has a reputation as a tough negotiator, said Smith was a quality proposition who the club wanted to keep.

“He (smith) has got all the attributes of the modern game. Can play in the midfield,” Power said.

“We have seen him influence lots of games. Highly marketable.”

Geelong is excited by the potential to help former Blue Jack Martin overcome his soft tissue injuries, while the Dogs are keen to keep Caleb Daniel, who is weighing up his future.

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I read Smith was played out of position as a forward by Bulldogs + wanted to play in the midfield
???
Also, I’m confused now, everyone has said Smith is the player we need to strengthen our midfield

 

[Gunf]

Holy **** did he just say something non trollish and correct

 

[Gunf]

I read Smith was played out of position as a forward by Bulldogs + wanted to play in the midfield
???
Also, I’m confused now, everyone has said Smith is the player we need to strengthen our midfield

He was Smith is an inside mid/wing that can run all day but he was mostly played as a hff/wing at the Dogs

Dogs preferred to play Crae, Libba, Bont, Treloar in the guts instead

 

[Zouz Kitty]

We just signed someone from the Doggies.

… their strength and conditioning guy.

Des O’Sullivan.

Why the LOLS calder_daddy + frggr ???
Spill the tea.

Depends who you ask

According to some Bulldogs fans, Smith has apparently spent the past year at KP which I guess includes his rehab

Training with Cats’ players?

 

[Zouz Kitty]

Footscray supporters demanding he be walked to the PSD.

FIFY

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Wouldn't this be draft tampering?

There's always a degree of tampering.

Last year's Esava's management refused to talk to other clubs. If pushed to the draft so would Smith's to discourage others from selecting him.

 

[Zouz Kitty]

He was Smith is an inside mid/wing that can run all day but he was mostly played as a hff/wing at the Dogs

Dogs preferred to play Crae, Libba, Bont, Treloar in the guts instead

Thanks for confirming

 

[iameviljez]

FIFY

Haha, ain't nobody going through the PSD unless they have a desperate desire to go to Richmond.

 

[frggr]

Why the LOLS calder_daddy + frggr ???
Spill the tea.


Training with Cats’ players?

Just the thought of the Dogs board going off about Geelong taking more of their talent, plus my later crack about Des's "marketability"