Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 3

[Mr Meow]

One could suggest that most of that is off topic considering that Martin is already on our list and not really a player that would fall under the categories of one we're going to be targeting via trade, FA or in the draft

And considering we've got live threads for discussion of Jack, the whole discussion around what type of role he could play for us is probably best suited there

List Mgmt. - Jack Martin officially joins Geelong as a DFA

The Cats are confident they can help Martin fix his injury issues after another year of soft tissue dramas at Carlton. Martin will join Geelong as a delisted free agent, costing the club nothing in a trade. Now to wait on the official paperwork

www.bigfooty.com

One could if one was being pedantic and wanting to shut most discussions down. One could say we need large lectures when anything moves even slightly from the most specific content. Which is about 50% of the posts in any thread.

At least now we know simply to report posts as spam, such as they who dared to mention Martin's role in a thread that doesn't have his name in it.

 

[cats_09]

One could if one was being pedantic and wanting to shut most discussions down. One could say we need large lectures when anything moves even slightly from the most specific content. Which is about 50% of the posts in any thread.

At least now we know simply to report posts as spam, such as they who dared to mention Martin's role in a thread that doesn't have his name in it.

Cut the attitude yeah

No one's shutting down any discussion nor is anyone in trouble for discussion that's taken place

All that's been asked is to move the chat to more suitable threads - I can promise you I'm not the only one getting confused by alerts for the trade & draft discussion but is instead reading reviews for grand finals from over a decade ago

 

[Gazza Greatness]

Is there any chance that the discussion could move on from events that occurred over a decade ago - there's not one player currently on our list that was on it for either the 08 or 09 seasons

I know it's the off season, but repeated discussion of extremely old topics is tiring

Being a footy forum, for sure we all can have our two bobs worth with what our feelings were at the time of certain events and topics and make comments if need be but as you say cat_09: it's way, way in the past. Have our say if we must, then move on because we have so much to look forward to with being supporters of this effen amazing club and GO 'YOUNG' CATS !!!

 

[cats_09]

Being a footy forum, for sure we all can have our two bobs worth with what our feelings were at the time of certain events and topics and make comments if need be but as you say cat_09: it's way, way in the past. Have our say if we must, then move on because we have so much to look forward to with being supporters of this effen amazing club and GO 'YOUNG' CATS !!!

It's all good - I think it's like we see at times were discussion starts on one track and then down the line we venture off on different tangents... Message board Chinese whispers type thing

Seeing how we try to utilise Martin during his time with us will be interesting to see, and comparing potential roles with what we've seen from other current or former players is a logical discussion & obvious discussion point

This is where the "Chinese whispers" type idea comes into things, because what starts as one intended line of discussion takes different paths as folks pick up a stand they want to run with


One other aspect of Martin's recruitment & playing position to keep an eye on will be the flow on effect for others - if he's looked at as a primarily a forward, does that interrupt what's been a pretty settled setup over recent seasons or does he get looked at to provide run from the backline

 

[dazbroncos]

People who get upset about '08 forget about the 3/4 time in ' 09 speech by our leaders, that essentially said: 'we're not losing today.'

We don't win '09, without losing '08. Wouldn't have been anywhere near enough heartbreak, against a side who seemingly had our measure at every turn and was up by 12 points in a low scoring game.

'08 hurts, but I view '08 and '09 in a vacuum together - you only get 1, and the redemption was oh so sweet.

Agree with all that… but Hawthorn… I mean.. cmon…


We will get them in a GF…

Go Catters

 

[dazbroncos]

One could if one was being pedantic and wanting to shut most discussions down. One could say we need large lectures when anything moves even slightly from the most specific content. Which is about 50% of the posts in any thread.

At least now we know simply to report posts as spam, such as they who dared to mention Martin's role in a thread that doesn't have his name in it.

Why the pedantic bullshit in several threads?

It’s off season so we generally let things wander a little but I’ve been here sporadically and I’m seeing way too much tight panties bunched over wanting to be internet king.

Let it go..
and sunshine… let’s all find some

Go Catters

 

[Turbocat]

So for 2025 …. do we see us looking to trade in another mid or a tall with our R1 pick or do we go to draft ?

 

[CatToTheFuture]

So for 2025 …. do we see us looking to trade in another mid or a tall with our R1 pick or do we go to draft ?

We need one more true first choice mid under 26 in my opinion. Holmes and Smith are likely A graders through there but we need one more to completely the rotation. Bruhn, Clark, Bowes are handy but need to lift a notch. Think there's a solid chance Dempsey moves to the middle too, i think he moves a bit like Connor Rozee, but that won't be tomorrow if it happens at all

 

[Lana]

We need one more true first choice mid under 26 in my opinion. Holmes and Smith are likely A graders through there but we need one more to completely the rotation. Bruhn, Clark, Bowes are handy but need to lift a notch. Think there's a solid chance Dempsey moves to the middle too, i think he moves a bit like Connor Rozee, but that won't be tomorrow if it happens at all

Unless the mid top tier calibre (top 30 mid in the competition), we might as well stick with what we have. I think we should be on the look out for a decent conventional KPF, otherwise we should hoover up any outside class on any line

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

There are always these types of fights

Timely reminder to study the difference between having a respectful discussion and falling into an argument.
Some on here should also realise that no-one ever wins an argument on the internet................far better to be respectful , accept others views and not try to change them.

 

[CHAWKTS]

We need one more true first choice mid under 26 in my opinion. Holmes and Smith are likely A graders through there but we need one more to completely the rotation. Bruhn, Clark, Bowes are handy but need to lift a notch. Think there's a solid chance Dempsey moves to the middle too, i think he moves a bit like Connor Rozee, but that won't be tomorrow if it happens at all

Agree. I think they hope Tanner is that player. And he could be but needs his body to be right. Understand he has had an interrupted pre season again which is a real shame…quickly we need to see whether he can become an A grader. I admit to bias (positive) but even I am nervous about whether he can take that next leap. What I do know is that the club coaches love him - he will get every chance…

Clark I frankly have no idea. Love the way he plays from what I have seen but just no evidence yet as to whether he is an A grader. Not saying he wont be but I just can’t tell

Bowes is interesting for me. A bit like Tanner for me in that he either makes it in the midfield or I think he will struggle. His best games (and he has had some really good ones) have been in the midfield…but is he good enough to take a spot in an A grade team? I just don’t know.

The name you didn’t mention that I hope leapfrogs everyone is Knevitt. Again I admit to a bias (I just love the group of players from 21 to 24yo)…but we need a tall midfielder and he I think can become a beast. I find it hard to see how he gets a shot (Bowes, Atkins, Danger, Guthrie all in front of him and Holmes, Smith, Danger, Bruhn are certain starters in the rotation)…

Dempsey is really interesting (noting my bias). From what I “hear” the coaches absolutely think he will be an A grade midfleider but I am getting no indication that is a 2025 thing. The thinking is that he is now our only specicialist wingman (which is quite amazing given where he was 12 months ago) and they want that to be consolidated. In 2025 they are not going to try and develop another wingman (ie. no Duncan, Blitz, Knevitte etc) but use the “non-Dempsey” side as just a midfield rotation spot (which means we can squeeze in one more midfielder)…. My hope is Dempsey backs up his break out year and just as we are convinced he is an AA wingman - Cats will then mix it up and try him as a true mid…but maybe a couple of years away.

 

[My Tilly]

Bowes is now 27 so perhaps he turns the switch and really becomes a consistent midfielder but based on past history, he will likely be solid depth and that's fine. Carlton is a good example in Hewett & Kennedy (now at Dogs) having two 27-30yr old depth players who complemented Cripps/Walsh fine.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

So for 2025 …. do we see us looking to trade in another mid or a tall with our R1 pick or do we go to draft ?

Depends on if we are targeting Reid or cadman or similar in a trade for 2026. If so I would just trade the pick forward to 26. Otherwise we could go either way but I'd be looking tall as blicavs and Stanley are done and Conway and a few others have question marks. Obviously if sdk and neale sign on it helps but id look tall.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Agree. I think they hope Tanner is that player. And he could be but needs his body to be right. Understand he has had an interrupted pre season again which is a real shame…quickly we need to see whether he can become an A grader. I admit to bias (positive) but even I am nervous about whether he can take that next leap. What I do know is that the club coaches love him - he will get every chance…

Clark I frankly have no idea. Love the way he plays from what I have seen but just no evidence yet as to whether he is an A grader. Not saying he wont be but I just can’t tell

Bowes is interesting for me. A bit like Tanner for me in that he either makes it in the midfield or I think he will struggle. His best games (and he has had some really good ones) have been in the midfield…but is he good enough to take a spot in an A grade team? I just don’t know.

The name you didn’t mention that I hope leapfrogs everyone is Knevitt. Again I admit to a bias (I just love the group of players from 21 to 24yo)…but we need a tall midfielder and he I think can become a beast. I find it hard to see how he gets a shot (Bowes, Atkins, Danger, Guthrie all in front of him and Holmes, Smith, Danger, Bruhn are certain starters in the rotation)…

Dempsey is really interesting (noting my bias). From what I “hear” the coaches absolutely think he will be an A grade midfleider but I am getting no indication that is a 2025 thing. The thinking is that he is now our only specicialist wingman (which is quite amazing given where he was 12 months ago) and they want that to be consolidated. In 2025 they are not going to try and develop another wingman (ie. no Duncan, Blitz, Knevitte etc) but use the “non-Dempsey” side as just a midfield rotation spot (which means we can squeeze in one more midfielder)…. My hope is Dempsey backs up his break out year and just as we are convinced he is an AA wingman - Cats will then mix it up and try him as a true mid…but maybe a couple of years away.

What has tanners injury issue been? I am Very bullish on him if he stays fit.

I think with Clark the issue will be finding a role for him. He's clearly class and he's going to develop quicker at afl than vfl I think but he has neither the endurance tank or the body strength yet to play as a full time mid and he doesn't have the height or marking to play fwd. So we are going to have to craft a role for him somewhere.

I think this is a make or break year for knevitt ie we won't delist him but if he can't break through this year he's better off trying to go to a bottom club for more games. I think Bowes is fringe and i don't think we will get much from cam g so I think there's more chances for him there than we think but he has to have like 5 good games in a row like Dempsey and make it too hard for them to leave him out.

We really need osullivan to start coming through but his body isn't ready yet I don't think. Same on Conway.

 

[Mr Meow]

Agree. I think they hope Tanner is that player. And he could be but needs his body to be right. Understand he has had an interrupted pre season again which is a real shame…quickly we need to see whether he can become an A grader. I admit to bias (positive) but even I am nervous about whether he can take that next leap. What I do know is that the club coaches love him - he will get every chance…

Clark I frankly have no idea. Love the way he plays from what I have seen but just no evidence yet as to whether he is an A grader. Not saying he wont be but I just can’t tell

Bowes is interesting for me. A bit like Tanner for me in that he either makes it in the midfield or I think he will struggle. His best games (and he has had some really good ones) have been in the midfield…but is he good enough to take a spot in an A grade team? I just don’t know.

The name you didn’t mention that I hope leapfrogs everyone is Knevitt. Again I admit to a bias (I just love the group of players from 21 to 24yo)…but we need a tall midfielder and he I think can become a beast. I find it hard to see how he gets a shot (Bowes, Atkins, Danger, Guthrie all in front of him and Holmes, Smith, Danger, Bruhn are certain starters in the rotation)…

Dempsey is really interesting (noting my bias). From what I “hear” the coaches absolutely think he will be an A grade midfleider but I am getting no indication that is a 2025 thing. The thinking is that he is now our only specicialist wingman (which is quite amazing given where he was 12 months ago) and they want that to be consolidated. In 2025 they are not going to try and develop another wingman (ie. no Duncan, Blitz, Knevitte etc) but use the “non-Dempsey” side as just a midfield rotation spot (which means we can squeeze in one more midfielder)…. My hope is Dempsey backs up his break out year and just as we are convinced he is an AA wingman - Cats will then mix it up and try him as a true mid…but maybe a couple of years away.

Appreciate your intel and insights as always CHAWKTS , again I find myself agreeing with most things.

Bruhn I have had the same concerns around his durability. And we have no idea about his long term tank, given they have used him in short burst so far. He is struggling to get momentum as far as minutes on the field and number of uninhibited games - an issue always seems to be around the corner. He does have talent and I'd love to see it come together for him. If he can get on the park enough I'm confident he'll take good strides forward.

Agreed on Clark, I'm yet to be convinced but he has time on his side.

Knevitt is more time pressed and is one that if he makes it as a decent midfielder would be in the "proving me wrong" camp. At VFL level he looks great, but we've had a few midfielders like that who couldn't quite take the next step up.

Bowes is an enigma both in terms of his output and how we use him. In danger of being an "almost" player who can't quite put big blocks of impactful games together. His best is more than useful. Big year for him.

Very exciting to hear about Dempsey and their plans for him, even if for 2025 that means more of the same on the wing. If he keeps improving his game and building his body like Zuthrie meticulously did, I could see that move to midfield working and him being one of our genuine stars in a few years.

That non Dempsey wing is going to be interesting. I guess we will still see Holmes and Smith there at times. Can Bowes find some good use there? As usual we should still have Miers and Mannagh rotating as pseudo attacking wingmen either way. So perhaps need our midfield rotation to focus on more defensive running.

 

[Mr Meow]

Why the pedantic bullshit in several threads?

It’s off season so we generally let things wander a little but I’ve been here sporadically and I’m seeing way too much tight panties bunched over wanting to be internet king.

Let it go..
and sunshine… let’s all find some

Go Catters

All discussions in good faith should be encouraged. It's pedantic bullshit to pick apart exactly what could have gone where and why one person didn't put the most specific comment in the most specific thread.

See above: CHAWKTs absolutely stellar contribution. Technically it isn't a GFC trading, drafting post but it's an interesting discussion nonetheless. More of that is always a good thing.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Agree. I think they hope Tanner is that player. And he could be but needs his body to be right. Understand he has had an interrupted pre season again which is a real shame…quickly we need to see whether he can become an A grader. I admit to bias (positive) but even I am nervous about whether he can take that next leap. What I do know is that the club coaches love him - he will get every chance…

Clark I frankly have no idea. Love the way he plays from what I have seen but just no evidence yet as to whether he is an A grader. Not saying he wont be but I just can’t tell

Bowes is interesting for me. A bit like Tanner for me in that he either makes it in the midfield or I think he will struggle. His best games (and he has had some really good ones) have been in the midfield…but is he good enough to take a spot in an A grade team? I just don’t know.

The name you didn’t mention that I hope leapfrogs everyone is Knevitt. Again I admit to a bias (I just love the group of players from 21 to 24yo)…but we need a tall midfielder and he I think can become a beast. I find it hard to see how he gets a shot (Bowes, Atkins, Danger, Guthrie all in front of him and Holmes, Smith, Danger, Bruhn are certain starters in the rotation)…

Dempsey is really interesting (noting my bias). From what I “hear” the coaches absolutely think he will be an A grade midfleider but I am getting no indication that is a 2025 thing. The thinking is that he is now our only specicialist wingman (which is quite amazing given where he was 12 months ago) and they want that to be consolidated. In 2025 they are not going to try and develop another wingman (ie. no Duncan, Blitz, Knevitte etc) but use the “non-Dempsey” side as just a midfield rotation spot (which means we can squeeze in one more midfielder)…. My hope is Dempsey backs up his break out year and just as we are convinced he is an AA wingman - Cats will then mix it up and try him as a true mid…but maybe a couple of years away.

Appreciate the insight as always mate! As others have said, the Bruhn niggles are unfortunate to hear though.

The last couple of years have been more than adequate as a young player, but going into year 5 we really do need his endurance to build, even if it's only getting him to the 70-ish% range.

Is it debilitating in terms of his chance of playing early in the year? Or more so just that he won't really be able to progress from what he was last year?

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Unless the mid top tier calibre (top 30 mid in the competition), we might as well stick with what we have. I think we should be on the look out for a decent conventional KPF, otherwise we should hoover up any outside class on any line

I agree with that, if we're not adding better then we don't need the depth

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Agree. I think they hope Tanner is that player. And he could be but needs his body to be right. Understand he has had an interrupted pre season again which is a real shame…quickly we need to see whether he can become an A grader. I admit to bias (positive) but even I am nervous about whether he can take that next leap. What I do know is that the club coaches love him - he will get every chance…

Clark I frankly have no idea. Love the way he plays from what I have seen but just no evidence yet as to whether he is an A grader. Not saying he wont be but I just can’t tell

Bowes is interesting for me. A bit like Tanner for me in that he either makes it in the midfield or I think he will struggle. His best games (and he has had some really good ones) have been in the midfield…but is he good enough to take a spot in an A grade team? I just don’t know.

The name you didn’t mention that I hope leapfrogs everyone is Knevitt. Again I admit to a bias (I just love the group of players from 21 to 24yo)…but we need a tall midfielder and he I think can become a beast. I find it hard to see how he gets a shot (Bowes, Atkins, Danger, Guthrie all in front of him and Holmes, Smith, Danger, Bruhn are certain starters in the rotation)…

Dempsey is really interesting (noting my bias). From what I “hear” the coaches absolutely think he will be an A grade midfleider but I am getting no indication that is a 2025 thing. The thinking is that he is now our only specicialist wingman (which is quite amazing given where he was 12 months ago) and they want that to be consolidated. In 2025 they are not going to try and develop another wingman (ie. no Duncan, Blitz, Knevitte etc) but use the “non-Dempsey” side as just a midfield rotation spot (which means we can squeeze in one more midfielder)…. My hope is Dempsey backs up his break out year and just as we are convinced he is an AA wingman - Cats will then mix it up and try him as a true mid…but maybe a couple of years away.

Praying Ollie to be the man

I hadn't mentioned Knevitt because I'm not sure where to use him. He has too many attributes to not find some way to use him i just don't know what that is