Rumour GFC 2025 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 1

[Pure_Ownage]

The only asset worth anywhere near a top 5 pick would be Holmes and he wouldn't want to go to WA or Richmond / North and trading out a midfielder for a midfielder doesn't improve our position anyway.

It wouldn't be Holmes because he would never agree to leave Victoria anyway (unless you are talking 3/4/5 club trades which don't happen a lot now)

Depending on how much either shoots the lights out next year adding neale or humphries to a trade might satisfy wce. But tbh if neale improves given how hard key forwards are to get we are better off keeping him (and we have no other kpfs on our list of note so trading him would create a hole). And I think 90 % of this board would riot if we traded humphries. Edwards is always a possibility I suppose but that one is early to tell. Reid would definitely cost us a player and/or a heck of a lot of picks (think 3-4 r1s) though.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

If during next season WC believe Reid will leave, why wait until he is out of contract, as WC will be in a worse position as they will then be forced to do a trade.

If they trade him at the end of next season, they lose a player whose heart is not in the club, and get a year’s start on rebuilding the team, with multiple first rounders to bring back WA players in other states, for example. Otherwise, they are treading water as he can’t help them in a flag pursuit as they are too far away from that. It also avoids the risk of a drop in value should he get a bad injury in his 3rd season, as happened to Bailey Smith.

If they can’t get an acceptable deal, then they have another chance the following year.

A bit more complex. If Harley wanted a specific club it may not be possible when contracted so maybe he just doesn't ask.

 

[Tony Barber]

Give up on the Reid chat. Kelly was out of contract. He nominated 1 club only and look what we got for him.

Reid is generational.
It would cost something like Dempsey, SDK, and Humphries. And I'm not even sure that would do it.

Might need to add Holmes.
We won't do any of that.

Other clubs will come in way harder.
Oh... and it would need to be a $20 million 10 year deal on top.

 

[Cataholic]

Give up on the Reid chat. Kelly was out of contract. He nominated 1 club only and look what we got for him.

Reid is generational.
It would cost something like Dempsey, SDK, and Humphries. And I'm not even sure that would do it.

Might need to add Holmes.
We won't do any of that.

Other clubs will come in way harder.
Oh... and it would need to be a $20 million 10 year deal on top.

If Reid indicated interest we'd ponder it long and hard.

Absolutely no doubt about that.

The call by the GFC would be their assessment of the nett result.

 

[Tony Barber]

If Reid indicated interest we'd ponder it long and hard.

Absolutely no doubt about that.

The call by the GFC would be their assessment of the nett result.

Hey I'm sure they'd ask the price. And I'm pretty confident they'd baulk.

 

[Cataholic]

Hey I'm sure they'd ask the price. And I'm pretty confident they'd baulk.

For sure, the price would make them think long and hard.....but they'd be tempted too.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Give up on the Reid chat. Kelly was out of contract. He nominated 1 club only and look what we got for him.

Reid is generational.
It would cost something like Dempsey, SDK, and Humphries. And I'm not even sure that would do it.

Might need to add Holmes.
We won't do any of that.

Other clubs will come in way harder.
Oh... and it would need to be a $20 million 10 year deal on top.

I don't think the trade costs are that relevant if OOC. Players can't be traded against their will. Also depends what happens in the next two seasons. He certainly rocked up overweight to preseason this year

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Give up on the Reid chat. Kelly was out of contract. He nominated 1 club only and look what we got for him.

Reid is generational.
It would cost something like Dempsey, SDK, and Humphries. And I'm not even sure that would do it.

Might need to add Holmes.
We won't do any of that.

Other clubs will come in way harder.
Oh... and it would need to be a $20 million 10 year deal on top.

Too early to rule anything out IMO.

If he becomes the Martin MkII people expect over the next 24 months, then yeah it's going to cost a fortune.

Three firsts and Humphries would be the starting point, assuming Lawson also continues his trajectory.

If he doesn't kick on as hoped though, we might be able to weed that price down a bit. It'll still be expensive, but not the ridiculous haul it could be if he realises his potential.

There's ways to do it, but it would require losing someone like Humphries in the deal, trading SDK for a haul to Carlton/Brisbane, and our own draft capital to get close.

Future trading will open up the options, but it's a club defining deal no matter which way you slice it.

One that we should approach with caution, and we shouldn't be kicking out anyone who doesn't want to go just to get the deal done.

 

[My Tilly]

There's been a lot of chat about that since before he even landed in Perth, but there's been no substance provided that I'm aware of.

Just opinions really.

Have you heard anything solid?

Nothing solid no.
Just a conversation on Friday I had with a fellow Geelong supporter.
I have only heard murmurings here and there.

Having Bailey Smith helps.
He will draw attention from young footballers who want to stay in the spotlight and Reid comes across as a young man who has that 'Wayne Carey swagger' about him.

 

[Cataholic]

Nothing solid no.
Just a conversation on Friday I had with a fellow Geelong supporter.
I have only heard murmurings here and there.

Having Bailey Smith helps.
He will draw attention from young footballers who want to stay in the spotlight and Reid comes across as a young man who has that 'Wayne Carey swagger' about him.

Every club wants him, and us more than anyone because he was a Cats supporter, so we all want to close the romantic circle.

That has us jumping at every possibility, because the romance would be unbelievable, but the reality is that it would be costly, if at all possible.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Every club wants him, and us more than anyone because he was a Cats supporter, so we all want to close the romantic circle.

That has us jumping at every possibility, because the romance would be unbelievable, but the reality is that it would be costly, if at all possible.

Solid chance of a Judd type trade that hollows out the destination club

 

[My Tilly]

Solid chance of a Judd type trade that hollows out the destination club

Judd was terrific though at Carlton.
They were just guttered from all their penalties due to the salary cap rorting. Set that club back a good 10-12 years it did.

 

[Footy Smarts]

Judd was terrific though at Carlton.
They were just guttered from all their penalties due to the salary cap rorting. Set that club back a good 10-12 years it did.

Hardly.

They "only" had 3x number 1 picks, a number 2 pick and a number 9 pick early in their careers when he arrived. That's what was left after trading a ton for Judd.

They just recruited and developed players terribly so never got anywhere despite the hat full of top picks they had.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Judd was terrific though at Carlton.
They were just guttered from all their penalties due to the salary cap rorting. Set that club back a good 10-12 years it did.

Yeah true, forgot about that. Bring back penalising Carlton i say. Those were the days

 

[Hamingja]

It wouldn't be Holmes because he would never agree to leave Victoria anyway (unless you are talking 3/4/5 club trades which don't happen a lot now)

Depending on how much either shoots the lights out next year adding neale or humphries to a trade might satisfy wce. But tbh if neale improves given how hard key forwards are to get we are better off keeping him (and we have no other kpfs on our list of note so trading him would create a hole). And I think 90 % of this board would riot if we traded humphries. Edwards is always a possibility I suppose but that one is early to tell. Reid would definitely cost us a player and/or a heck of a lot of picks (think 3-4 r1s) though.

The starting price for Reid would be top 5 pick, future first THEN one of those WA players you mention as steak knives.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

The starting price for Reid would be top 5 pick, future first THEN one of those WA players you mention as steak knives.

Probably.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Solid chance of a Judd type trade that hollows out the destination club

The Judd trade was an interesting one. Arguably wce did better on field because Kennedy played longer and masten was OK (note a spud). But Judd won multiple b n f s and you can't underestimate the impact he had at Carlton culturally and in terms of marketing he was huge.

Reid in 2-3 years will be almost the most marketable player in the game so whoever gets him gets that massive commercial boost. But it's a risk on field as you would have to trade at least one very quality player for him (like Carlton did with kennedy) so you need to get that call right and trade someone who won't be absolutely elite at wce (or whichever third club us involved) as it's very high risk. Much more so than just trading 2 mid r1s for a gun.

 

[Turbocat]

I don't think the trade costs are that relevant if OOC. Players can't be traded against their will. Also depends what happens in the next two seasons. He certainly rocked up overweight to preseason this year

Pretty much. How it would work exactly is dependant on the variable in each trade but if a player is OOC clubs can threaten to go to the mattresses as much as they like but in the end players usualy get to where they want to go. On the next two years … its such a good observation. Not wishing him any bad luck but all sorts of variables could kick in ..like we have seen with JHF and BSmith and others

Bottom line (imo) …if an OOC player of quality says he wants to play for a certain club ..and gives that club time to organise cap space and a reasonable bag of trade collateral .. it gets done. At his age and potential ..I doubt any club would not trade into pain for him but if WC was offered 3 late R1 and maybe a player … or risk losing him for nothing … we know what happens.

 

[gogeelongcats]

Carlton did not win a pemiership with Judd.

I ould rather improve the list as we have been and not risk our future.

What makes everyone say he is a generational player. Sure what he does is classy but he needs to do a lot more.

Give me a Dempsey, Humpfies, Manner with a Smith anytime. Would you swap......NO!

 

[PzBlinky]

Carlton did not win a pemiership with Judd.

I ould rather improve the list as we have been and not risk our future.

What makes everyone say he is a generational player. Sure what he does is classy but he needs to do a lot more.

Give me a Dempsey, Humpfies, Manner with a Smith anytime. Would you swap......NO!

I agree with you...right now.

If Reid continues to develop over the next couple of years, then maybe he'll be worthy of the 'generational player' tag peole were slapping on him before he even played a game.

And this applies to Humphries, Dempsey, and co. They're also likely to improve, the question is by how much.

Right now, I'm happy with our list other than the obvious holes (ready-made ruck, 1 elite mid short) but I'm sure the question will be a common theme on every team's board until he recommits or asks for a trade.

 

[Warhorse]

I would rather pay a late 1st for Bailey Smith than 3 first round picks for Reid. We got an incredible deal for Smith

 

[OzeSparky]

I would rather pay a late 1st for Bailey Smith than 3 first round picks for Reid. We got an incredible deal for Smith

The deal looks good.
But we won't know if its incredible til the games start.

All comes down to Smith's football.

 

[Turbocat]

The Judd trade was an interesting one. Arguably wce did better on field because Kennedy played longer and masten was OK (note a spud). But Judd won multiple b n f s and you can't underestimate the impact he had at Carlton culturally and in terms of marketing he was huge.

Reid in 2-3 years will be almost the most marketable player in the game so whoever gets him gets that massive commercial boost. But it's a risk on field as you would have to trade at least one very quality player for him (like Carlton did with kennedy) so you need to get that call right and trade someone who won't be absolutely elite at wce (or whichever third club us involved) as it's very high risk. Much more so than just trading 2 mid r1s for a gun.

Judd was long ago now ..and trades and movement seem to have changed but was Judd OOC.

It seemed a lot that Car paid . They had the first pick in the draft…was it ever thought they might just pick Judd at P1 ..and keep Kennedy?

Reid will probably be less credentialed and younger than Judd at the time. I doubt he will be a premiership player at WC any time soon.

As far as the concerns raised by some for a Reid trade.. they are fair ..however id counter by say that a trade like has been theorised.. might or might not be OTT cost that it outweighs the benefit. It might damage the list …or it might be worth the trade and more. The Cameron trade has shown that.

If we are to believe the previous WC coach.. there were players ringing him.the club about wanting to play with Reid. He would instantly up the anty on desirability for OOC players especially FA’s. Not having R1 picks for multiple years could be a killer yet we have been so long without a gun outcome from our R1 , its almost an example of it not necessarily being a bridge too far . We would need to find a couple more late picks and it would be handy if we had a Rookie B / FSon as well.

Coming into an era of being expected to trade multiple years for a player. If that was the cost , Id say the club would pay what they had to ..get the deal done then cope with the cost.

 

[Lana]

Judd was long ago now ..and trades and movement seem to have changed but was Judd OOC.

It seemed a lot that Car paid . They had the first pick in the draft…was it ever thought they might just pick Judd at P1 ..and keep Kennedy?

Reid will probably be less credentialed and younger than Judd at the time. I doubt he will be a premiership player at WC any time soon.

As far as the concerns raised by some for a Reid trade.. they are fair ..however id counter by say that a trade like has been theorised.. might or might not be OTT cost that it outweighs the benefit. It might damage the list …or it might be worth the trade and more. The Cameron trade has shown that.

If we are to believe the previous WC coach.. there were players ringing him.the club about wanting to play with Reid. He would instantly up the anty on desirability for OOC players especially FA’s. Not having R1 picks for multiple years could be a killer yet we have been so long without a gun outcome from our R1 , its almost an example of it not necessarily being a bridge too far . We would need to find a couple more late picks and it would be handy if we had a Rookie B / FSon as well.

Coming into an era of being expected to trade multiple years for a player. If that was the cost , Id say the club would pay what they had to ..get the deal done then cope with the cost.

Funnily enough, that is probably what they should have done. I don't think I've ever seen anyone suggest that. Cotchin would have been available at pick 3, assuming that Richmond grabbed Kreuzer. Bit of a gamble but there is a chance that Kreuzer could have slid anyway.

Imagine a scenario where Carlton approached WCE with the negotation hand that they're drafting Judd with pick 1.
The offered something like Judd for 1st round pick swap, take it or leave it.

Imagine how marketable that hatedom would have been. Every match between the two would have been a blood match for the next decade

 

[Footy Smarts]

Funnily enough, that is probably what they should have done. I don't think I've ever seen anyone suggest that. Cotchin would have been available at pick 3, assuming that Richmond grabbed Kreuzer. Bit of a gamble but there is a chance that Kreuzer could have slid anyway.

Imagine a scenario where Carlton approached WCE with the negotation hand that they're drafting Judd with pick 1.
The offered something like Judd for 1st round pick swap, take it or leave it.

Imagine how marketable that hatedom would have been. Every match between the two would have been a blood match for the next decade

I'm not sure Judd would've agreed to it. He was being courted by many teams and I'm not sure he wanted to destroy his West Coast legacy.

I do like that Carlton gave up a crazy amount for prime Judd in 2007 yet we still got a better contribution from our first pick that year (Harry Taylor at 17).