Unsolved Girls that went missing from Adelaide Oval 1973

[Kurve]

Of interest.
- Arthur Brown - The Beaumont Children

 

[Lyn]

Geographical profiling would probably aid law enforcement to track a serial predator.
Knowing an offender's crime scene locations and possibly dump sites could aid in tacking him to a particular location.
In the Mr Cruel case of Melbourne, having all this data was no use to investigators.

With the AO abduction, so much is unknown about the offender because it's a One-Off crime.
We only have a rough idea in which direction he was heading. we don't have a sighting of him getting into a car, so we can assume he is heading directly to a residence.

The escape route the offender selected, gave him cover. Its less likely him ruining into the public on the route he took.
Its the only observation I can make. I do correspond with a profiler in Canada, he's mainly concerned with predicting dump / burial sites.

Bill used the term, because he thinks he knows the residence the offender was headed.

Could you please draw/ describe exactly what route he supposedly took and last sighting.

 

[johnymac1]

Could you please draw/ describe exactly what route he supposedly took and last sighting.

map. way back on page three, of this thread

 

[Lyn]

map. way back on page three, of this thread

Thankyou
I will have a look

 

[johnymac1]

Thankyou
I will have a look

consensus amongst researchers here. is that the last sighting was in Bonython Park. The door to door search area on the west side of port road would tend to back that up.
As you can see, its a very long way on foot.
In the 80s when my son was three, I tried to carry him a similar distance. It stuffed up my arm for a few weeks.
Ive been over that area on foot and on bike many times. If he had a car, its most likely parked near Pinky's flat.
Any eastern getaway is toward the busy zoo and botanic gardens, No perp would have chosen that getaway.. its too risky

 

[DropBearess]

consensus amongst researchers here. is that the last sighting was in Bonython Park. The door to door search area on the west side of port road would tend to back that up.
As you can see, its a very long way on foot.
In the 80s when my son was three, I tried to carry him a similar distance. It stuffed up my arm for a few weeks.
Ive been over that area on foot and on bike many times. If he had a car, its most likely parked near Pinky's flat.
Any eastern getaway is toward the busy zoo and botanic gardens, No perp would have chosen that getaway.. its too risky

Wasn't there another sighting on either North Parade or Carlton Parade in Mile End? I recall there was difficulty confirming it because they would've had to cross Port Rd or South Rd and no-one saw them do that.

 

[Lyn]

consensus amongst researchers here. is that the last sighting was in Bonython Park. The door to door search area on the west side of port road would tend to back that up.
As you can see, its a very long way on foot.
In the 80s when my son was three, I tried to carry him a similar distance. It stuffed up my arm for a few weeks.
Ive been over that area on foot and on bike many times. If he had a car, its most likely parked near Pinky's flat.
Any eastern getaway is toward the busy zoo and botanic gardens, No perp would have chosen that getaway.. its too risky

Weren't they spotted walking towards the zoo by the lady on the recent tv program? Another long distance from AO

 

[FR0GGY]

Weren't they spotted walking towards the zoo by the lady on the recent tv program? Another long distance from AO

Somone clarified that she spotted them from the other side of the river, which is far too far away to see someones close up features which she said she saw.

 

[Lyn]

Somone clarified that she spotted them from the other side of the river, which is far too far away to see someones close up features which she said she saw.

It didn't really make sense to me. Other side of the river, but could identify a person 100%? Her eye witness was certainly a feature of the program.

 

[Lyn]

There is no statute of limitations on more serious offences.

Up until the 2000s there was a statute of limitation on child sex offences, in SA. I would say they are more serious offences.

 

[Zebo]

He had been convicted for theft... stole potatoes. While he didn't have priors, nor was ever convicted for sex crimes, it means only that he got away with them. His close associate that is absolutely linked to this case - attended the footy that day and was well aware of the movement of the two girls to the moment they disappeared - did have a child sex conviction and took part in hypnosis of children. Birds of a feather, you might say

I've only recently read through this thread.

Stanley Arthur Hart DID have priors for sexual offences, dating back as far as 1934.

One example is the attached from the 28/6/66 Supreme Court listing.

 

[Lyn]

Wasn't there another sighting on either North Parade or Carlton Parade in Mile End? I recall there was difficulty confirming it because they would've had to cross Port Rd or South Rd and no-one saw them do that.

Just because no one saw them, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Maybe it was just that no one took notice. Mile End, would certainly put my POI back in the lime light.

 

[Lyn]

I've only recently read through this thread.

Stanley Arthur Hart DID have priors for sexual offences, dating back as far as 1934.

One example is the attached from the 28/6/66 Supreme Court listing.

Could you please tell me how to research/access this type of information?

 

[Kurve]

I've only recently read through this thread.

Stanley Arthur Hart DID have priors for sexual offences, dating back as far as 1934.

One example is the attached from the 28/6/66 Supreme Court listing.

Is there anything available in the records as to the judgement? I have an admittedly vague recollection somewhere in the back of my mind, of either hearing of or reading that Hart had evaded convictions? Can we verify that he was convicted of any sexual offences?

Of coursre if he wasn't convicted and there's a litany of charges relating to sexual offences over time, it doesn't necessarily mean that he's squeaky clean.

 

[Zebo]

Is there anything available in the records as to the judgement? I have an admittedly vague recollection somewhere in the back of my mind, of either hearing of or reading that Hart had evaded convictions? Can we verify that he was convicted of any sexual offences?

Of coursre if he wasn't convicted and there's a litany of charges relating to sexual offences over time, it doesn't necessarily mean that he's squeaky clean

Good point. I stand corrected.

 

[johnymac1]

Wasn't there another sighting on either North Parade or Carlton Parade in Mile End? I recall there was difficulty confirming it because they would've had to cross Port Rd or South Rd and no-one saw them do that.

I have seen those claims. I haven’t covered that ground personally. last time I was in the area, I was searching a yard near the old Faulding site

 

[Lyn]

I've only recently read through this thread.

Stanley Arthur Hart DID have priors for sexual offences, dating back as far as 1934.

One example is the attached from the 28/6/66 Supreme Court listing.

Could you please tell me where/what is your source of information? What web site?

Thankyou

 

[Zebo]

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Could you please tell me where/what is your source of information? What web site?

Thankyou

South Australian Government Gazette via austlii

 

[Lyn]

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South Australian Government Gazette via austlii

Thankyou - I have been using this site for finding old business. A very long process, but good results.

 

[Lyn]

I have been reading back through information I gathered years ago. One note I had written was that a cousin of my POI was on the gate that day. Unfortunately, I didn't write the name down. I wonder if there is any connection. Is it possible to find out who the gate people were?

 

[Lyn]

consensus amongst researchers here. is that the last sighting was in Bonython Park. The door to door search area on the west side of port road would tend to back that up.
As you can see, its a very long way on foot.
In the 80s when my son was three, I tried to carry him a similar distance. It stuffed up my arm for a few weeks.
Ive been over that area on foot and on bike many times. If he had a car, its most likely parked near Pinky's flat.
Any eastern getaway is toward the busy zoo and botanic gardens, No perp would have chosen that getaway.. its too risky

Would they have to cross the river to get to Bonython Park? Where can this be done?
If in fact they went to Bonython Park. Could they either have had a car parked there, or from there, walked back adjacent to the train line towards Keswick? My POI was very fit.

 

[johnymac1]

Would they have to cross the river to get to Bonython Park? Where can this be done?
If in fact they went to Bonython Park. Could they either have had a car parked there, or from there, walked back adjacent to the train line towards Keswick? My POI was very fit.

There is a weir that allows you to cross. It’s just behind a restaurant.
When I did a walk through, there is an old cctv camera pointing onto the pathway. Iam not sure if it was there in 73. Its located adjacent to the Gaol wall. Walkers and cyclists use the path that leads under the rail line to Bonython park

 

[Lyn]

There is a weir that allows you to cross. It’s just behind a restaurant.
When I did a walk through, there is an old cctv camera pointing onto the pathway. Iam not sure if it was there in 73. Its located adjacent to the Gaol wall. Walkers and cyclists use the path that leads under the rail line to Bonython park

Not too many cc TVs around back then. Maybe being close to the jail it may have.
Sorry I don't know the area So could POI gone that way, then walked adjacent to the rail line through Mile End, to Keswick?

 

[charlie20]

I've only recently read through this thread.

Stanley Arthur Hart DID have priors for sexual offences, dating back as far as 1934.

One example is the attached from the 28/6/66 Supreme Court listing.

that june 66 charge is interesting, only 5 months after the beaumonts disappeared too

 

[charlie20]

Would they have to cross the river to get to Bonython Park? Where can this be done?
If in fact they went to Bonython Park. Could they either have had a car parked there, or from there, walked back adjacent to the train line towards Keswick? My POI was very fit.

at the weir, long ago i had a problem with why he had walked such a distance, and for such a long period of time, with the children, remember his intention or plan was to only have kirste with him, one small child, not two, and not an older child, if he had come by car, and planned to leave by the same car, or even be picked up by another car, this wouldve happened much closer to the ground, a quick exit if you like

 

[charlie20]

Would they have to cross the river to get to Bonython Park? Where can this be done?
If in fact they went to Bonython Park. Could they either have had a car parked there, or from there, walked back adjacent to the train line towards Keswick? My POI was very fit.

my poi is the exact same bastard who walked off with the beaumonts, so early 40s is about right, relatively fit, though this is not clear, certainly he wouldve been under more stress during the oval abduction that the apparent ease and calm of glenelg several years earlier