Unsolved Girls that went missing from Adelaide Oval 1973

[Kurve]

Of interest.
- Arthur Brown - The Beaumont Children

 

[jason_recliner]

The transcript of the 1979 inquest

Can you post this please? I haven't read it.

Specifically, the content that makes you think "that there is corruption and cover ups", "SACA was able to manipulate or coerse the information that was put to the inquest so to protect their elitist reputation", and "they stopped cops from going in there".

Thanks

 

[Billy Brainless]

Can you post this please? I haven't read it. Thanks

It isnt for me to post, sorry. You could make an application to the Coroners court... it concluded July 1979, it was before Kevin Barry Ahern. It is also a significant size and I think possibly breaches what is allowed to be posted here... aka factual info!

 

[Billy Brainless]

It doesn't make much sense once the abduction has commenced to hang around, or coerce them to other points of the ground before doing so.

What if they werent "abducted" for the first 30 to 60 minutes of the time they werent where they were meant to be, with the adults watching footy?
They could have felt quite safe and happy in a shed with kittens, playing ball with other kids or in the place theyve (Joanne as Kirste was 4 and no concept or say in where they went) never been able to go... the members area.
If SACA brown coats have influence over police as has now been suggested, im sure an influential saca member would have had no issue getting a couple young girls in to show around.
I wouldnt even think of the saca members area being a place the girls could have been during the time their family was looking for them, but given we now hear from the only person alive who was part of the search before the alarm was raised broadly that area wasnt able to be accessed, t has to be considered a possibility
Mark Marshall suggests they already knew Joanne. Kids play, and time gets away. Alex has already put at least 30 mins more into the timeline of them missing. Where were they in that time?

 

[Billy Brainless]

Everybody still has to get out of the members area and to be sure, anybody who was in there would have heard about two missing girls and remembered if they saw them.

They weren't in there.

How do you know?

 

[Kurve]

It isnt for me to post, sorry. You could make an application to the Coroners court... it concluded July 1979, it was before Kevin Barry Ahern

If you intend to rely on this document, you should post it thanks.

I think possibly breaches what is allowed to be posted here... aka factual info!

What does this mean?

 

[Kurve]

How do you know?

Logic.

 

[Billy Brainless]

If you intend to rely on this document, you should post it thanks.



What does this mean?

It's a document of fact... not something typical of the information on here which appear more like opinions, possbilities only.
I posted a factual piece of information relevant to the conversation recently and it was removed without explanation. I assumed facts arent particularly welcome... and we all should rely on "logic"!

 

[Kurve]

It's a document of fact... not something typical of the information on here which appear more like opinions, possbilities only.
I posted a factual piece of information relevant to the conversation recently and it was removed without explanation. I assumed facts arent particularly welcome... and we all should rely on "logic"!

You posted a facebook link, they're generally removed.

 

[Billy Brainless]

I'd think the fact he was there should have been information the girls families and inner circle held in the first place, they have always known. It wasn't a secret.

Youre right, the girl's families should have known he was there... so why didnt Suzie know Alex even existed?

 

[Billy Brainless]

You posted a facebook link, they're generally removed.

Thanks for providing the reason, i was not aware. When you say, "generally" do you mean selectively... aka, some stay?

 

[Kurve]

Youre right, the girl's families should have known he was there... so why didnt Suzie know Alex even existed?

That's a question that probably should be asked within the family. It wasn't a secret that Alex was there.

The family did have that information.

 

[Billy Brainless]

Absolutely it should be asked... but why police when providing information to the public - to the media outlets etc - at the time chose to not include 2 people of the group that were with them is odd. At least I think so.

It was back then the case that cops would put out information re those assisting with the investigation... which this Alex did. He rode with the police for hours after the footy searching for the girls. Cops had no problem quizzing and putting on tv kilmartin, also 13 at the time.

I think youre being very short sighted to not think effort has been made to keep detail of this key person quiet

 

[Kurve]

I think youre being very short sighted to not think effort has been made to keep detail of this key person quiet

I think you're trying to make something out of nothing tbh. Accusing the cops of some sort of conspiracy and a cover up is a bit out there when this is such a high profile cold case, huge rewards have been posted and any cop tasked with having another look at it would want to be the one that solves it.

I'd think many of the police involved in the initial investigation may have even passed away.

 

[JimmyBC]

I think you're trying to make something out of nothing tbh. Accusing the cops of some sort of conspiracy and a cover up is a bit out there when this is such a high profile cold case, huge rewards have been posted and any cop tasked with having another look at it would want to be the one that solves it.

I'd think many of the police involved in the initial investigation may have even passed away.

Nothing about it points to a new suspect or new scenario it all seems rather dull tbh.

 

[Billy Brainless]

Nothing about it points to a new suspect or new scenario it all seems rather dull tbh.

May be enough for the inquest to be reopened, however.

Youre right, no new suspect, thats got to still be Stan Hart at the top of the list, surely. Police still have his hat as part of their ongoinh investigation.
Maybe the testing of those materials in the US will be the nail in coffin

It is not a conspiracy I have btw.... just pointing out Sapol are incompetent.... then and now. Some deliberately so, others just unfortunately thick.

 

[Macka_321]

For the record I think hart was responsible. It’s just unfortunate the announcement wasn’t made straight away as things could have been different.

 

[johnymac1]

For the record I think hart was responsible. It’s just unfortunate the announcement wasn’t made straight away as things could have been different.

The foundation to the whole Hart theory is the MTM statements and recollections from his youth.
MTM has definitely been to the Yatina property and has knowledge of the area including the dam.

I believe he has superimposed false memories and fantasies on real events. If you were to approach MTM in the corrections system. I think you find he will recall a newer and expanded version of his fantasy. Some of the banter between inmates is sometimes amusing.

As time goes by, peoples recollections go fuzzy and remembering details from the day can be harder. There is a established series of sightings reported by the media at the time. They include the Groundsman and a Dad at Bonython park. This indicates they were headed west.

I wouldn't rule Hart out, but personally, he's less likely to have committed the crime. As the sightings suggest they headed away from his residence.

 

[JimmyBC]

The foundation to the whole Hart theory is the MTM statements and recollections from his youth.
MTM has definitely been to the Yatina property and has knowledge of the area including the dam.

I believe he has superimposed false memories and fantasies on real events. If you were to approach MTM in the corrections system. I think you find he will recall a newer and expanded version of his fantasy. Some of the banter between inmates is sometimes amusing.

As time goes by, peoples recollections go fuzzy and remembering details from the day can be harder. There is a established series of sightings reported by the media at the time. They include the Groundsman and a Dad at Bonython park. This indicates they were headed west.

I wouldn't rule Hart out, but personally, he's less likely to have committed the crime. As the sightings suggest they headed away from his residence.

This is why cold cases this old with little to go on in the first place are so hard to narrow down to one suspect, eyewitness reports are notoriously unreliable let alone memories becoming more colourful with the passing of time.

*The Phipps angle in The Beaumont case reads like 'fan' fiction in this regard, the factory site has been leveled and the police seem to have little to no interest now which should tell people something.

 

[Billy Brainless]

The foundation to the whole Hart theory is the MTM statements and recollections from his youth.
MTM has definitely been to the Yatina property and has knowledge of the area including the dam.

I believe he has superimposed false memories and fantasies on real events. If you were to approach MTM in the corrections system. I think you find he will recall a newer and expanded version of his fantasy. Some of the banter between inmates is sometimes amusing.

As time goes by, peoples recollections go fuzzy and remembering details from the day can be harder. There is a established series of sightings reported by the media at the time. They include the Groundsman and a Dad at Bonython park. This indicates they were headed west.

I wouldn't rule Hart out, but personally, he's less likely to have committed the crime. As the sightings suggest they headed away from his residence.

Recordings of MTM from prison, at various stages of his incarceration make a strong arguement against your suggestion. His account has been consistent through his initial writing, his mullighan interview, recordrd telephone calls and a recorded skype call.

The fact the barrels were in a sealed tunnel and had to have been there 30 years at least, means he couldnt have set that up... what is in them will be key.

Given cops couldnt find the tunnel, lost materials from it, and have failed to look at the potential of those things, there is as much - more in my thoughts - chance MTM account is right.

 

[Billy Brainless]

The foundation to the whole Hart theory is the MTM statements and recollections from his youth.
MTM has definitely been to the Yatina property and has knowledge of the area including the dam.

I believe he has superimposed false memories and fantasies on real events. If you were to approach MTM in the corrections system. I think you find he will recall a newer and expanded version of his fantasy. Some of the banter between inmates is sometimes amusing.

As time goes by, peoples recollections go fuzzy and remembering details from the day can be harder. There is a established series of sightings reported by the media at the time. They include the Groundsman and a Dad at Bonython park. This indicates they were headed west.

I wouldn't rule Hart out, but personally, he's less likely to have committed the crime. As the sightings suggest they headed away from his residence.

I imagine the amplification of the cops' suggestion MTM's statements about Stan's rampant sexual abuse of children is just "fantasy" is somewhat distressing to his many victims who endured that.

Btw... sightings suggesting the abductor was headed west only support the likelihood of Hart being the abductor. His living address was west, a short distance from Rita's residence, which the police search area fell one street block short of, and a couple hundred more metres shy of Harts address, where he was interviewed by police in the days after the abduction as a person of interest.

And yes, I do think it possible police didnt apply the rigour they should have with him, based on the relationship some police had with him.

It's Hart, in my view, and with SAPOL now having more of his victims come forward detailing his acts and items they could readily test and put to rest one way or another, why don't they?

Instead, they call "fantasy"... use facts to dispell it then!

 

[Billy Brainless]

If you intend to rely on this document, you should post it thanks.



What does this mean?

The Inquest document has only been accessible to family (for provision to who they choose).... so at least not in full to a footy forum.

 

[jason_recliner]

The Inquest document has only been accessible to family (for provision to who they choose).... so at least not in full to a footy forum.

Since you are either family, or somebody to whom the family has chosen to provide, it would be a good idea IMO to post the full document (or seek the family's permission, as appropriate). It could only assist with solving the crimes, and would help put some of the rumour mongering to bed.

 

[Billy Brainless]

Since you are either family, or somebody to whom the family has chosen to provide, it would be a good idea IMO to post the full document (or seek the family's permission, as appropriate). It could only assist with solving the crimes, and would help put some of the rumour mongering to bed.

In fact, I accessed the documents for family, and protect its content at their request. Rumour mongers have the option of trying their luck with applying to the courts for such documents... unless they do, they probably cannot be considered to want to be anymore than rumour mongers or speculators.
I dont think the Big Footy Crime forum is solving any crimes, just running a forum for entertainment value.

 

[jason_recliner]

In fact, I accessed the documents for family, and protect its content at their request. Rumour mongers have the option of trying their luck with applying to the courts for such documents... unless they do, they probably cannot be considered to want to be anymore than rumour mongers or speculators.
I dont think the Big Footy Crime forum is solving any crimes, just running a forum for entertainment value.

Why do the families want the contents of the coronial inquest "protected"? And why are you posting here? "Entertainment value"?

 

[Billy Brainless]

Appara

Why do the families want the contents of the coronial inquest "protected"? And why are you posting here? "Entertainment value"?

Because I can