Opinion Giving 110% - at what stage does the generosity run out?

[Yogibear17]

The lack of understanding and the lengths that people will go to to find things to criticize the club for is beyond belief.

Spending time in the favelas of Brazil would teach young naive footballers so many more life lessons than puckapunyal ever could.
The reality check and life lessons I received from spending over a month in South America was immense.
The tiger boys will arrive home to not only further appreciate what they already have, and work even harder to retain it.

Both these quotes sum things up pretty nicely I think.

 

[nobulltiger]

Upgraded from tiger insider to inner sanctum, i think that's worthy of 110%

 

[Kick it 2 Royce]

Look this club has basically been my charity for the last 25 years since the save our skins campaign in 1989 when jack dyer gave a fantastic call to arms for our club at the mcg . have been a member ever since ,love the club but there is only so many times you can go to the same well. I bought a social club /Maurice rioli club membership for the last 12 years , a junior membership plus cotchy's club for my little bloke for the last 4 or 5 years even upgraded him to junior Maurice rioli club this year even though we don't use them as such, so we can go to the grand final together if a miracle were to occur and we made it . But to come out and ask for another 10%on top of what we already give is a bit rich , had they of come out and said to fund the VFL team we are creating a 40 or 50 dollar membership I would gladly buy one but to just want another donation after the fighting tiger fundraising is just downright cheeky and it will be a big NO from me!!!!

 

[PUNTROADHAMMER]

Geez your tune (and tone) has changed a bit. Gobbed off early and then all of a sudden there is QUITE a few people who felt the same as l did. Apology accepted.

Not sure how you've arrived at this conclusion because I haven't changed my view at all. I still think it's no big deal because it's optional.

 

[Rich01]

I don't have a problem with the strategy of raising an extra 10%. I have a problem with the implementation.

I'd be interested to know if they are actively trying to get an extra 10% from our sponsors. What's good for the goose, etc.

The fact of the matter is that to increase revenue from supporters you can do 2 things:

1. Increase membership base.
2. Increase revenue from existing, loyal membership base - in most industries the existing consumer is easier to obtain additional revenue from converting a lead.

The club is driving both these targets in the best interests of the club. It would be financially negligent of them to ignore this market. If fans want something for their money, go to the Tiger Den and drop $100 on some Xmas gifts for family. But if people can't afford this, I don't see the issue. No one is demanding this. The club is simply trying to increase revenue.

In regards to sponsors, I think you will find that the 10% has been more than covered off in our incentives contracts. Bingle is paying substantially more next year on the back of our performances on the field, and this will continue to increase if we improve.

 

[nut]

Look this club has basically been my charity for the last 25 years since the save our skins campaign in 1989 when jack dyer gave a fantastic call to arms for our club at the mcg . have been a member ever since ,love the club but there is only so many times you can go to the same well. I bought a social club /Maurice rioli club membership for the last 12 years , a junior membership plus cotchy's club for my little bloke for the last 4 or 5 years even upgraded him to junior Maurice rioli club this year even though we don't use them as such, so we can go to the grand final together if a miracle were to occur and we made it . But to come out and ask for another 10%on top of what we already give is a bit rich , had they of come out and said to fund the VFL team we are creating a 40 or 50 dollar membership I would gladly buy one but to just want another donation after the fighting tiger fundraising is just downright cheeky and it will be a big NO from me!!!!

it was 1990 ... but good post

 

[Infamy]

Do both memberships have your name on them or?? How do u work that, something i mite do.. Thx

Yep, both have my name on them. I had the option of putting them in someone else's name, but I kept it to myself.

 

[tigerdan]

Yep, both have my name on them. I had the option of putting them in someone else's name, but I kept it to myself.

They must have changed the regulations. Back in the day when I was a uni student with too much time I dreamt up a way to become president of the club (not that I had anywhere enough money to do it!). I actually looked into the articles of association and it was expressly forbidden to have more than one membership. Maybe they changed it to allow more than one membership but only one vote.

 

[tigerdan]

The club has had videos and emails sent to members thanking them for the FTF, hitting the 60k members, and turning up to the finals in a big way

How many times do we need to be told "we are awesome"? Are we really that insecure?

If I have to spell it out again I will. Suspect you are not listening because you don't agree with it.

I don't like the contributions that I have made WAY OVER 110% to be ignored in the mass mail marketing campaign. It would be so ****ing easy to link the database to the mail merge document to mention the contributions each member has made for the year. It would be trivial. And surely they do have a database of what each member spent each year.

If you read the complaints here, few are getting upset at the idea of raising more money. They are just irritated that the letter wanted 110% when many have already given much more. It's that simple really.

It should be obvious, but I don't contribute so I can get 'you are so awesome' letters from the club (I wouldn't believe it anyhow). On the other hand it's nice to be acknowledged, even if it is bullshit. So when a random letter turns up in my inbox insinuating that I am 'just' a 100% supporter, it rubs me the wrong way

Actually I think just jacking the prices by 10% across the board would have brought about less angst (i'm not necessarily saying they should have done so, just that it would have brought about less angst - and probably more $). Everyone's used to prices going up, and to be honest, I could not tell you by what % my memberships cost this year compared to last year. And there's the rub. Some battlers might find it hard to pay the extra, but the club can easily just blame the increase on inflation, the AFL, anything really. And we would all buy it, with no alienation of the fanbase.

 

[TerraTiger]

Look this club has basically been my charity for the last 25 years since the save our skins campaign in 1989 when jack dyer gave a fantastic call to arms for our club at the mcg . have been a member ever since ,love the club but there is only so many times you can go to the same well. I bought a social club /Maurice rioli club membership for the last 12 years , a junior membership plus cotchy's club for my little bloke for the last 4 or 5 years even upgraded him to junior Maurice rioli club this year even though we don't use them as such, so we can go to the grand final together if a miracle were to occur and we made it . But to come out and ask for another 10%on top of what we already give is a bit rich , had they of come out and said to fund the VFL team we are creating a 40 or 50 dollar membership I would gladly buy one but to just want another donation after the fighting tiger fundraising is just downright cheeky and it will be a big NO from me!!!!

I think the marketing campaign, and Dimma's speech for that matter, has subtle overtones that may be a bit lost (perhaps this blurriness is actually a weakness of the campaign - I'm not expert in that type of thing) and in the attempt to have the message of this campaign applicable to all RFC, players, admin and supporters creating some unnecessary tension.

What am I on about? Well take KI2R above, obviously he's put in a huge amount of effort for the club he and his family loves. That is blatant by his post. However, I think Dimma's message is, in part, when guys are on the track and running to their lungs explode, they spew up, or whatever, see if you can go a little more. Similar in weights, diet/preparation etc,etc. Strive for %110 even if you think you're already at 100%. So when professional athletes, already going at what they consider maximum are asked to push even harder, I guess the message is can the supporters do that too (go harder when it appears we're all at maximum)?

Personally, i like this mantra to employees of the club, including it's players, however think it is a bit rich myself to the supporters. I say "a bit" as I'm not outraged by it, just think the message could be slightly more personal and achieve a similar outcome.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

If I have to spell it out again I will. Suspect you are not listening because you don't agree with it.

I don't like the contributions that I have made WAY OVER 110% to be ignored in the mass mail marketing campaign. It would be so ******* easy to link the database to the mail merge document to mention the contributions each member has made for the year. It would be trivial. And surely they do have a database of what each member spent each year.

If you read the complaints here, few are getting upset at the idea of raising more money. They are just irritated that the letter wanted 110% when many have already given much more. It's that simple really.

It should be obvious, but I don't contribute so I can get 'you are so awesome' letters from the club (I wouldn't believe it anyhow). On the other hand it's nice to be acknowledged, even if it is bullshit. So when a random letter turns up in my inbox insinuating that I am 'just' a 100% supporter, it rubs me the wrong way

Actually I think just jacking the prices by 10% across the board would have brought about less angst (i'm not necessarily saying they should have done so, just that it would have brought about less angst - and probably more $). Everyone's used to prices going up, and to be honest, I could not tell you by what % my memberships cost this year compared to last year. And there's the rub. Some battlers might find it hard to pay the extra, but the club can easily just blame the increase on inflation, the AFL, anything really. And we would all buy it, with no alienation of the fanbase.

So just to sum up, you dont want or need a thank you letter to you personally, but you are offended that the club hasn't recognized AGAIN your personal contribution

 

[tigerdan]

So just to sum up, you dont want or need a thank you letter to you personally, but you are offended that the club hasn't recognized AGAIN your personal contribution

It should be obvious, but I don't contribute so I can get 'you are so awesome' letters from the club (I wouldn't believe it anyhow). On the other hand it's nice to be acknowledged, even if it is bullshit. So when a random letter turns up in my inbox insinuating that I am 'just' a 100% supporter, it rubs me the wrong way.

 

[mauricerioli]

I can`t believe the reaction to this.


The Fighting Tiger Fund has been going for a couple of years and has been a raging success.

As part of the Fighting Tiger Fund this year we get an email asking to give 10% on top of your membership.

Big Deal!

Why on earth would anyone take this so personally is beyond me.

"Oh they`re making me feel not as important as someone who gives 10% extra, oh I`m so offended"

What a load of crap.

The most important thing you can do to support Richmond, is to buy a membership.​

The most important thing you can do to support Richmond, is to buy a membership. However, in 2014, as part of the Fighting Tiger Fund, we’re calling on you, our dedicated members to give 110%.​

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Giving 110% means donating 10% on top of the price of your membership to the Club. This will go towards continuing the transformation of our home at Punt Road, giving our coaches and players the best chance to deliver sustained on-field success.
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[Tiger_Of_Old]

I think the club got it wrong this time.RFC supporters/members are the last people on Earth that the question of giving more than 100% should be used as a membership tool to get that extra 10% out of them.Not many sides would have survived what we have had to put up with over the last 30yrs.I like the way Benny & Co are running the show but on this I feel kinda insulted.

 

[TigersMan4]

The analhurt here is outstanding
"I'm angry the club didn't send each member a personalised email. I'm offended that they want more funds to bridge the gap between the top sides"

Get over it. Don't pay if you don't want to.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

It should be obvious, but I don't contribute so I can get 'you are so awesome' letters from the club (I wouldn't believe it anyhow). On the other hand it's nice to be acknowledged, even if it is bullshit. So when a random letter turns up in my inbox insinuating that I am 'just' a 100% supporter, it rubs me the wrong way.

You sound like a high maintenance girlfriend, who says she doesn't want flowers but cracks the shits when she doesn't receive them every day

The club thanked you for the FTF

The club thanked you for being a member this year

The club thanked you for rocking up to the elimination final

Yet you are annoyed you didn't receive yet another thank you

 

[BF Tiger]

F**k them I say.

The money I was contributing each year for the Grand Final Guarantee was way more than 10%, and then they moved the goal posts.

I'll buy a suitably priced membership according to what I believe our chances are of making a GF. I'll buy merchandise for myself and two kids through the club. I'll upgrade the kids' membership as they get older and take more interest. I'll tell the club they can keep their "Made in Bangladesh" trinkets that usually come with membership. I'll slip a few coins into any donation tins that might be around. I'll buy the odd raffle ticket.

That all adds up to more than 10% right there.

 

[BF Tiger]

Mate I work on an oil rig. So yes, the only time for junkets is when I am on days off. The Nepal trip was on days off too.

Fancy that, so do I

 

[BF Tiger]

With respect, let's call a spade a spade. It's a junket. And i'm not gonna be a hypocrite about it because i've been on plenty of junkets myself. For my Masters it was possible to go to Nepal and do some ecology subject there for three weeks. And it certainly was a junket. But what did I care, it was fun, but nothing to do with geology.

But let's not make out that the players are the reincarnation of mother Theresa.

Seeing it's in Brazil maye that should read Christ the Redeemer.

And let's have a look at their itinerary. I doubt they were hard at it, all day, every day.

 

[Infamy]

They must have changed the regulations. Back in the day when I was a uni student with too much time I dreamt up a way to become president of the club (not that I had anywhere enough money to do it!). I actually looked into the articles of association and it was expressly forbidden to have more than one membership. Maybe they changed it to allow more than one membership but only one vote.

Well I have the same membership number on each of them, but two membership cards with separate barcodes for entry. So I think this is still within those rules of only having one membership.

 

[Kick it 2 Royce]

it was 1990 ... but good post

sorry my memory is fading you are correct . but I will never forget jack dyers speech great stuff !!!!

 

[SJ17]

Well I have the same membership number on each of them, but two membership cards with separate barcodes for entry. So I think this is still within those rules of only having one membership.

So you can take anyone with you? Ever had any problems?? With security or anything??

 

[theflea]

I think pretty well sums it up for many .......I know many have said, just say No and I agree. But for many who have been and continue to be very heavily invested (heart & soul invested). It's not as easy as that to just say No. It more than likely pains them to say those words to the RFC. I know it has me at one time or another. This is the part for me that needed to be handled with greater sensitivity and the acknowledgement of times gone by....the fact that many gave and were given so much heart ache in return. I'm not sure exactly how the club deals with all of that, but certainly ensuring the way they went about it was going to be handled in a strong, clear and very appropriate way would be a good place to start. So that people such as the ones here on BF aren't upset by it. Because if the guys on here have been affronted you can bet they won't be alone in the Tiger community....and that isn't good for anyone/anything Richmond. For the record I haven't read the message from the club......Go Tiges !! AND ALL YOU GREAT AND LOYAL SUPPORTERS. (wether you donate or not)....

firstly I by all means understand and appreciate differing views on this topic. For me its not even about the money side of it, moreso the fact that we still have this function(donation) happening but imo we need to go beyond it purely because we are entering a good time on field, which is going to create a rush for games/finals tickets which inevitably cause fans to purchase reserve seat/top dollar memberships(which will go up and cost more) and if we still want them to donate is going to get the shackles up by the members. So wouldn't it be the best thing to do, is to find other revenue streams to cover these money needs 'before' the rush of high end memberships? I'm just looking at the down the road picture.

 

[theflea]

What you keep ignoring is this type of contribution is necessary and needed on an ongoing basis.

It doesn't matter its its called a membership fee, a donation, a player sponsorship, or a bloody paver out the front of the club. They are all methods of getting dollars from members.

Some prefer donations, some memberships, some events, and so on.

Just because you personally don't like the donation contribution doesn't mean its wrong, it just means its wrong for you. As this thread has shown, plenty of others are happy to donate, which is why the club is doing this.

Again, people need to get over the notion that to be a "good supporter" they have to accept every request, and to be a good club the RFC can only ask things every member will accept

Just because you dont like this type of contribution doesn't mean its wrong - it just means you're not the target market for this request

As Ive said elsewhere, I'm declining it because Im channeling my funds elsewhere. I dont get why people are getting so offended by the request. Id be offended if the club wasnt trying to maximize returns from members.

Im personally actually not against the donation(i've done it all) but I just think we can do it better in other ways which you refuse to see.

 

[_Wang_]

Giving is good for the soul..