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HyperAgressiveDonk said:
No Hodge played ALL of last year in the middle and was tagged almost every game. He was the second best player behind Swn in the players MVP & most media awards last year, AA captain etc etc as a mid. Hodge is fine in the middle as last year proved. Goddard however, can't spend a whole season in the guts, as he has proven in the first few games this year.

He just can't handle a tag.
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Pretty sure Hodge was played as a loose man in defence because of his inability to handle a tag, maybe not last year but the couple of years before that.

Anyway Goddard isn't a pure midfielder like Hodge is, he is a taller utility type like Goodes or Pavlich that can play in all positions on the ground. He will never just play a whole game in the middle as a clearance player as it wastes some his strengths like his overhead marking.
 
Plugger35 said:
Pretty sure Hodge was played as a loose man in defence because of his inability to handle a tag, maybe not last year but the couple of years before that.

Anyway Goddard isn't a pure midfielder like Hodge is, he is a taller utility type like Goodes or Pavlich that can play in all positions on the ground. He will never just play a whole game in the middle as a clearance player as it wastes some his strengths like his overhead marking.
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No, that's lies.

He played that position, because it was part of our gameplan. A gameplan which won us a flag and won him a Norm Smith.
 

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Hodge has been tagged out of games though which you can't deny.

Saying Goddard can't handle a tag is also a lie. He wasn't being tagged yesterday, he went head to head with Watson for most of the game. He played poorly but not because he was tagged, he is just down on form and confidence.
 
Plugger35 said:
Hodge has been tagged out of games though which you can't deny.

Saying Goddard can't handle a tag is also a lie. He wasn't being tagged yesterday, he went head to head with Watson for most of the game. He played poorly but not because he was tagged, he is just down on form and confidence.
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No he tried to get on Watson while Essendon had Hocking play on him. Ess even dragged Watson to full forward just to keep Goddard out of the play. Goddard is down on form but still gathered 28 touches whilst not as effective as usual.
 
Burgarama said:
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Classy effort when you're 10+ goals down in a prelim... Shit bloke.

Also, drilling the ball at the Freo cheer squad from the goalsquare at Etihad last year was a low act.
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Pretty sure he was cleared of this. :confused:

Plugger35 said:
Pretty sure Hodge was played as a loose man in defence because of his inability to handle a tag, maybe not last year but the couple of years before that.
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Yeah nothing to do with winning games.
 
TBoyleSuperstar said:
I think, whilst he can win his own ball, he is also a player that benefits most when being given the ball and delivering. He's certainly not a receiver, but with St Kilda struggling he isn't getting the type of ball he has been in previous years, hence his frustrations and output.
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have to agree.

certainly capable of winning contested ball but he's a guy you want/need kicking it rather than buried under a pack feeding it out to another.

getting a massive laugh out of all the people calling him a dud though.. give me a bloke who stands up in september over a home and away specialist anyday.

funny how fickle footy is.. six months ago the same people were absolutely in love with BJ and thought a guy like Jobe was a hack, now apparently that's all changed. (not a dig at Watson, just saying that people change their opinions more than their clothes)
 
Plugger35 said:
You don't make All Australian after just a few good games, unless your name is Harry O'Brien.
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In all fairness to Harry, a player has to earn their first AA some time.

That's not to say he'll earn more, but I'm just saying, if he does earn more, the first one had to come from somewhere yeah?

Like Goddard I'm sure had a good season when he got his first.

I have no problem with people who hate Harry O'Brien, because I can fully see why, but hating a player, and think an obviously good player is crap are two different things.

Me personally? I think Harry is not much more than a really good rebounding defender, who can be exposed one on one.

Did he deserve All-Australian last year? Hard to tell. He played in the best defence in the league (I know St.Kilda's was statistically better than Collingwood's by a handful of points, but given how much more we scored, I put our defence above yours, sorry) so it's easy to look good in that scenario.
 
I'm loving the hypocrisy coming from some Collingwood supporters.

Dane Swan is one the highest of overrated players. The Collingwood gameplan works for him, in that he puts in the effort to stay with the ball and as a result picks up a lot of touches. A lot of soft touches.

I watch most games of footy on weekends and the amount of times I see little cheap disposals racked up by Swan with 1 metre handballs and his team mates also seeking him out when completely unnecessary. It's almost as if some Collingwood players go out of their way sometimes to add to Swan's disposal count.

The thing that annoys me is how everyone talks him up because of 40 touches a game, but it's what a player does with said 40 touches that matters. I'd rather 20 quality disposals than 40 of Swan's. Don't get me wrong, he's a good user of the ball. But that's it. Good. Definitely not up to the quality of some players, including Goddard.

Swan played two rubbish Grand Finals, to the extent that if he were injured, it wouldn't have affected the result. That's the thing with Swan, he isn't a game winner. Collingwood are a gun side. If Swan has a shit game, Collingwood play well. If Swan gets his touches, Collingwood play well. He is not influential enough to be considered better than players such as Goddard.

St Kilda are playing terrible at the moment, mainly because the stars, including Goddard, aren't performing. St Kilda should pick up after the bye, and everyone will have a mna-crush on BJ again.

It essentialy boils down to this, there is no way you can easily compare the ability of players because they are so different. You can't compare a defender to a midfielder or a foward, much like you can't compare apples and oranges. But the fact is, if you put Goddard in any side he will improve them and he will win games. Other players can do the same, but not to the same extent. Quite simply, everyone is persecuting Goddard right now but he is the best in the comp, or not far from it.
 
Don't you just love Bigfooty. Anyone who doesn't see the quality in Goddard is just plain ignorant. Big footy is a fickle place and it goes around far too often:

Riewoldt = cry baby, can kick for goal accurately = over-rated
Ablett = doesn't have the players around him, gets cheap easy stats = over-rated
Judd = Can't kick = over-rated
Sandilands = doesn't take enough overhead marks = over-rated
Pavlich = Doesn't win enough games off his own boot = over-rated.
Brown = Injury prone = Over-rated.
Franklin = Inconsistent and horrible at set shots = Over-rated.

The guns of our game are able to have off periods. At the beginning of the year most of us would have had Goddard in the top 10 if not top 15 players in the comp. That's no chump. He is a pure A grade player that is finding it tough atm. 3 games ago being in the top bracket in the comp to now being over-rated is classic. Pull your heads in.
 

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Goddard is a very good player, but i have always said he is overated. People have jumped on him this year way to early, saying he will be the best player by the end of the 2011 season etc. I think, like most of the St. Kilda team, that he is mentally burnt out after losing 2 grand finals and drawing 1 in less then 2 years.
 
He's definitely still a top 10 player in the league. No doubt about that in my mind. But in the off-season his tyres got insanely inflated by a lot of people who are now realising "maybe we jumped the gun a bit..."

He is no greater than Chad Cornes was in his prime. Goodes in his prime was a better player. Pavlich too. All these players can play multiple positions well and were all at one time or another (and still arguably are, except for Chad) in the top 10 players in the comp. None got their tyres pumped up as much as Goddard did over the offseason though.
 
Burgarama said:
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Classy effort when you're 10+ goals down in a prelim... Shit bloke.

Also, drilling the ball at the Freo cheer squad from the goalsquare at Etihad last year was a low act.
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Yeah, about as classy as buddy's elbows or cyrils jabs! Own backyard first. That gold coast thug did the same at hawthorn, and the lowest act ever done in the game came from lethal on bruns.

Don't point fingers at other clubs. Each club has them especially yours!!

Goddard to return to form and people to eat their words!
 
The Match said:
Yeah, about as classy as buddy's elbows or cyrils jabs! Own backyard first. That gold coast thug did the same at hawthorn, and the lowest act ever done in the game came from lethal on bruns.

Don't point fingers at other clubs. Each club has them especially yours!!

Goddard to return to form and people to eat their words!
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Don't be a bloody moron. If a player does something stupid/wreckless or in this case pathetic, then they can be called out for it.
 
haha at the BJ bashers memo to u all if BJ stepped into ur sides u'd automatiacally improve by 10%!!!!!! see u all very soon SUPER STARS arent usually out of form for too long...... haha BJ is over rated funny stuff
 
Marc Shmurf 3 said:
Don't you just love Bigfooty. Anyone who doesn't see the quality in Goddard is just plain ignorant. Big footy is a fickle place and it goes around far too often:

Riewoldt = cry baby, can kick for goal accurately = over-rated
Ablett = doesn't have the players around him, gets cheap easy stats = over-rated
Judd = Can't kick = over-rated
Sandilands = doesn't take enough overhead marks = over-rated
Pavlich = Doesn't win enough games off his own boot = over-rated.
Brown = Injury prone = Over-rated.
Franklin = Inconsistent and horrible at set shots = Over-rated.

The guns of our game are able to have off periods. At the beginning of the year most of us would have had Goddard in the top 10 if not top 15 players in the comp. That's no chump. He is a pure A grade player that is finding it tough atm. 3 games ago being in the top bracket in the comp to now being over-rated is classic. Pull your heads in.
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Many are saying he's the best player in the comp you mut!!, he is overrated by those who think that. simple.
 
Marc Shmurf 3 said:
Don't you just love Bigfooty. Anyone who doesn't see the quality in Goddard is just plain ignorant. Big footy is a fickle place and it goes around far too often:

Riewoldt = cry baby, can kick for goal accurately = over-rated
Ablett = doesn't have the players around him, gets cheap easy stats = over-rated
Judd = Can't kick = over-rated
Sandilands = doesn't take enough overhead marks = over-rated
Pavlich = Doesn't win enough games off his own boot = over-rated.
Brown = Injury prone = Over-rated.
Franklin = Inconsistent and horrible at set shots = Over-rated.

The guns of our game are able to have off periods. At the beginning of the year most of us would have had Goddard in the top 10 if not top 15 players in the comp. That's no chump. He is a pure A grade player that is finding it tough atm. 3 games ago being in the top bracket in the comp to now being over-rated is classic. Pull your heads in.
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:thumbsu::thumbsu: Agreed.

There are some very ignorant poster in this thread taking pot shots at BJ because he's had a bad patch. Who really cares anyway?
 
the distributer said:
Many are saying he's the best player in the comp you mut!!, he is overrated by those who think that. simple.
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Well at the beginning of the year, they had very good reason to believe that u mut. He was simply amazing throughout most parts of the year last year, and his finals series in particular the GF's were something to behold. On they back of that form those who did have him as the best player in the comp had the evidence and opinion (of which everyone is entitled to). Unfortunately his start to the year has been poor, but every good player is allowed to have a few quiet weeks... no?

Of course he is no Collingwood player, therefore everyone else's opinion mean sfa.
 

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