Gold Coast ready for AFL club

[Ragnarok14]

I imagine it would be like RU coverage in WA. Since the force have been here the coverage has ramped up remarkably.

I thought there has always been alot of interest in union in WA due to the south african that have moved there, not to mention the number of australia games they play there.

 

[timthefish]

LOL..............ever heard of a bloke named Richard Colless?

i thought we were talking about swans supporters, not ceo's with buisiness interests first. apart from anything else, i think his comments were specifically questioning the viability of the second team. very few people think the town is actually ready for a second team; an attempt by a second team to set up permanently and wholly in sydney right now would fail.

when the time for a second team is appropriate for the sake of THAT team, i think you'll find that colless and the vast majority of swans supporters will be in favour of it.

1. shared resources.
2. better local comp for reserves (why do you think we play kids a lot in the pre- and early-season?)
3. derbies
4. footy in sydney every weekend
5. publicity, publicity, publicity.

by the arrival of the right time, the advertising market in sydney for afl will be huge with plenty to share and colless will have worked his tail off to develop that environment.

 

[NimChief]

apologies tas, everyone on these boards loves a team, and the prospect of losing it to somewhere else is aborrent, but the roos have been given every oppurtunity to show it can survive and grow in a national competition (2 premiership and one of the best teams of the last 20 years), and its failed, and still drains the coffers every year with little visible potential to get out of that situation. eventually, that money stops being seen as temporary assistance to an eventual profitable business to being a waste of money on a suburban throwback that could be better spent bring new people into the game.

Gold Coast Kangaroos for 08!

Congratulations, you have just proved that there is no limit to human stupidity.

Hey Dullard, do some research before you start preaching your views as fact.

North are showing every year how viable they are!

Last year, North recorded the largest growth in attendances in the league a massive 26 per cent.

Not to mention North's membership has GROWN every single year and continues to grow.

On top of the fact that North has just been given a ma$$ive grant to redevolpe Arden Street into a modern training facility.

It's funny how you claim North are draining the coffers when they are taking the least amount of money out of all the clubs on the CBF.

How about you attack the other four clubs this year that will be recieving assitance from the AFL most notably Sydney, Carlton, the Dogs and Melbourne.

In addition North have actually made a profit this year. Unlike some other clubs *cough* Carlton *cough* Melbourne.

In conclusion, sit down and shut up before you trip over your own tongue and hurt yourself.

 

[Ripper]

I thought there has always been alot of interest in union in WA due to the south african that have moved there, not to mention the number of australia games they play there.

There is/was. There was little print media (indeed any media) unless the Wallabies were actually playing in Perth.

 

[bloodsports]

How about you attack the other four clubs this year that will be recieving assitance from the AFL most notably Sydney, Carlton, the Dogs and Melbourne.

Pot kettle black.

Tell me where it was you heard that Sydney were recieving assistance through the CBF this year or last for that matter ??

Oh it was in your imaginagtion!

Yes, that figures! Moron.

 

[Ragnarok14]

Pot kettle black.

Tell me where it was you heard that Sydney were recieving assistance through the CBF this year or last for that matter ??

Oh it was in your imaginagtion!

Yes, that figures! Moron.

I'm pretty sure the swans are getting a hand out this year. If I could be bothered I would find the article from afl.com that said so.

 

[zero]

Congratulations, you have just proved that there is no limit to human stupidity.

Hey Dullard, do some research before you start preaching your views as fact.

North are showing every year how viable they are!

Last year, North recorded the largest growth in attendances in the league a massive 26 per cent.

Not to mention North's membership has GROWN every single year and continues to grow.

On top of the fact that North has just been given a ma$$ive grant to redevolpe Arden Street into a modern training facility.

It's funny how you claim North are draining the coffers when they are taking the least amount of money out of all the clubs on the CBF.

How about you attack the other four clubs this year that will be recieving assitance from the AFL most notably Sydney, Carlton, the Dogs and Melbourne.

In addition North have actually made a profit this year. Unlike some other clubs *cough* Carlton *cough* Melbourne.

In conclusion, sit down and shut up before you trip over your own tongue and hurt yourself.

how about you suck my balls.

tell me, how much have the roos taken from the CBF in the last 10 years, in total? is it in the 10s of millions? 7 figures? how much more is going to be spent? if and when you have another down period, are you going to continue to struggle and break even as you do now? or are you going to be back on the drip for another 10 years?

a profit this year, fantastic. is it still a profit after the CBF? or is a loss. how are you going to do when the players get their pay increase? the cost of running a club is INCREASING, not coming down. can the roos keep up?

biggest jump in attendance, great! how much of that was because of scheduling with teams that can pull a decent crowd? are you going to get the same this year?

if you want people to listen to your arguments, its better to leave the insults out. if you are incapable of that, then fck you and your club. buy some sunscreen, mother********er because the sooner your club is on the coast actually contributing more than another mid table finish and another game per week, the better

 

[Tas]

how about you suck my balls.

I doubt you have anything worth him getting excited about.

tell me, how much have the roos taken from the CBF in the last 10 years, in total? is it in the 10s of millions? 7 figures? how much more is going to be spent? if and when you have another down period, are you going to continue to struggle and break even as you do now? or are you going to be back on the drip for another 10 years?

Well, we have only been receiving assistance for the last 3 years, so that is $3 million. Not sure where you pulled the 10 years out of the hat from, is that how old you are?

Not sure how long we will require assistance. A lot depends on how close to equitable our schedule is, the AFL admitted on the radio last year that our schedule is far from fair and equitable which is partly why we are being compensated for.

a profit this year, fantastic. is it still a profit after the CBF? or is a loss. how are you going to do when the players get their pay increase? the cost of running a club is INCREASING, not coming down. can the roos keep up?

Wow, you really are a bright spark, aren't you? Players are getting a pay increase due to the increase in the broadcasting agreement, what is passed onto the clubs will be passed onto the players, as usual.

biggest jump in attendance, great! how much of that was because of scheduling with teams that can pull a decent crowd? are you going to get the same this year?

The increase is mostly attributed to playing the games at a time where more supporters are more interested in going to the football. We only played Essendon once, it was their home game, we played Collingwood at home as we did last year, we played the Blues as we did last year... so there was no difference in terms of those clubs.

The difference has been the time when we get to play and the fact clubs like Hawks and Bulldogs have also improved so we do not really get any poor crowds in Melbourne anymore. We average 40k for our home games in melbourne against other Victorian clubs, 34k overall including the games against interstate teams.

Our crowd for both the Eagles and Crows game here in melbourne were quite reasonable given our supporter base. While we would like a larger supporter base, it is not something that is going to change overnight. It takes time in a mature market but we have too large a stake in terms of football followers to abandon and the AFL knows that. We also have strong support in SA and WA due to fielding a lot of players from those states before you got franchise teams there.

if you want people to listen to your arguments, its better to leave the insults out. if you are incapable of that, then fck you and your club. buy some sunscreen, mother********er because the sooner your club is on the coast actually contributing more than another mid table finish and another game per week, the better

Your immaturity and ignorance is mind-boggling.

 

[NimChief]

how about you suck my balls.

tell me, how much have the roos taken from the CBF in the last 10 years, in total? is it in the 10s of millions? 7 figures? how much more is going to be spent? if and when you have another down period, are you going to continue to struggle and break even as you do now? or are you going to be back on the drip for another 10 years?

a profit this year, fantastic. is it still a profit after the CBF? or is a loss. how are you going to do when the players get their pay increase? the cost of running a club is INCREASING, not coming down. can the roos keep up?

biggest jump in attendance, great! how much of that was because of scheduling with teams that can pull a decent crowd? are you going to get the same this year?

if you want people to listen to your arguments, its better to leave the insults out. if you are incapable of that, then fck you and your club. buy some sunscreen, mother********er because the sooner your club is on the coast actually contributing more than another mid table finish and another game per week, the better

Just when I think, "Surely this person has reached and encapsulates the limits of Internet tedium" you go and push the boundary even further.

If you want people to listen to your arguments then leave the trolling out or expect to incur the wrath of a NMFC supporter.

“Gold Coast Kangaroos for 08!”

What an obvious trolling effort.

Not only that, but you start preaching that North are draining the coffers of the AFL and that in the past 20 years have been unable to prove their viability in a national comp, which is just twaddle.

North have done all they can and then some to prove there viability in the AFL.

How about you cut the questions and answer some yourself…….

How much money has been burnt up in the past trying to keep the Swans and Lions afloat in rugby league territory?

I’ll give you a hint; it has been a helluva a lot more than what the AFL has put into North through the CBF.

Yet you still persist with uprooting North from Melbourne because they are burning up the AFL’s wealth only for them to be put into a QLD market where the AFL will be putting even more money into North to keep them afloat.

In conclusion, as your clue meter is reading zero, lets see if this registers: Get lost, dullard!

Pot kettle black.

Tell me where it was you heard that Sydney were recieving assistance through the CBF this year or last for that matter ??

Oh it was in your imaginagtion!

Yes, that figures! Moron.

Your post is the world's greatest proof of reincarnation; no one could get that dumb in just one lifetime.

Did you even read my post?

I said assistance from the AFL not the CBF.

what a passionate supporter you are that you don’t even know what’s going on around your club.

But since I am so kind, I will provide you with the article to prove I am not lying.

Sydney pay jackpot
27 September 2005 Herald Sun
Damian Barrett

THE Sydney Swans have hit the jackpot with an AFL-funded $1.32 million commitment to accompany their new status as premiers.

The Swans have joined Western Bulldogs, Melbourne and the Kangaroos as recipients of annual special AFL distributions.

They are to receive $440,000 annually for three seasons from next year in the special distribution scheme that replaces, in name and workings, the competitive balance fund.

It was decided by the AFL the Swans should be covered for Sydney's higher costs of living.

The club had previously had access to a cost-of-living allowance, but had been forced to raise the extra funds itself.

Rival clubs yesterday acknowledged the higher living costs associated with Sydney, with most accepting the AFL's decision to fund the increased commitments.

But one club president said a team operating in the New South Wales capital conversely had access to greater revenue streams.

The Kangaroos, who had been granted $1 million annually under the competitive balance fund, will now receive $1.4 million.

It is understood the Western Bulldogs had their allocation raised from $1.5 million to $1.7 million, while Melbourne had its reduced from $1.5 million to $1 million.

All commitments are locked in for three years, providing the clubs a degree of financial stability and the chance to make long-term plans.

The AFL told the clubs of the new financial distributions last week.

Members of the AFL executive could not be contacted yesterday

 

[medusala]

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North have done all they can and then some to prove there viability in the AFL.

And yet the AFL has just increased their payment by 40%. Doesnt that tell you something?

 

[Tas]

And yet the AFL has just increased their payment by 40%. Doesnt that tell you something?

Yes, it tells me we are scheduled for 7 sunday no-exposure home games.

 

[zero]

Your immaturity and ignorance is mind-boggling.

ahhh, so i responded to childish insults with insults and im the immature one. where do your insults position you? dalai lama perhaps? people who sling insults when they hear an argument they dont like dont deserve measured responses.

i realise the topic is unsettling, but maybe if you north supporters cant respond like adults maybe you should just go somewhere else while this stuff is discussed. a pity because some PATIENT responses from you guys might increase peoples understanding of the topic. you guys are already making good points about the viability of north, but how am i supposed to listen to them when every second sentence is a personal insult?

i dont have anything against north. i LIKE north. i dont feel i am speaking against them or attacking them by suggesting they move.

im merely FOR the AFL, for it being the most popular and best competition in the country. to best achieve that, we need clubs there to be the focus of promotion in the new markets. of the options, relocation is the best for the new club (considering the initial list and promotion in melbourne), and sooner rather than later is also better. and its better for the remaining clubs in melbourne if there is less clubs there, with more advertising dollar and refugees from the old club.

look, i couldnt care less whether its the roos or the dogs or someone else or both or neither. i couldnt even care less if you all stay in the comp and we add two new teams to make an 18 team comp. but iv heard that this isnt viable, and i believe it.

.... i dont know why im bothering really. no doubt "**** off stupid troll, north melbourne 4 eva" or some such drivel will be the best response you guys can come up with.

 

[medusala]

Yes, it tells me we are scheduled for 7 sunday no-exposure home games.

I dont doubt that you dont get the exposure that the Pies for example do, however its not just the CBF clubs that get dud draws (and Melbourne gets well looked after with its Pies game). Hawthorn has to play a big drawing Vic team in Tas rather than at the MCG and has to play home games at TD, a venue its fans detest. The draw is part but by no means all of the problem.

 

[The Dice Man]

Its great to have a perfect surface, a few grandstands, etc - but the transport to Carrara is shocking. Nothing like trying to get out of the carpark's tiny exit with 14,000 others. It is good, though, that new coaches boxes were installed - compared to the old dumps that only allowed for two seated with a view of the whole ground.
Im sure the GC Council will open up again about how they plan to improve public transport, but I doubt they'll move Nerang or whatever station is closer!

Nerang station is about a kilometre from the stadium. I agree the parking is a problem as that stretch of road is only one lane each way at the stadium entrance. The good news though is that for the last 12-18 montsh the GCCC have been upgrading all the roads around it such as Ross St, building that new 6 lane bridge across the Nerang River where it used to be 2 lanes, one each way and could take an hour to travel 300 metres after 3.30 in the arvo.

They're also still widening Nerang Broadbeach Rd just before the stadium there to be 3 lanes each way. The road out the front of teh stadium is only 1 lane each way for about 800 metres, but that just happens to be where the stadium entrance is. Again, luckily this road is also being extended and should be completed within a year, so it will be 3 lanes each way. Carra has a lot going for it in that there is plenty of land there that can be utilised, and thankfully Nerang-Broadbeach Rd has a big reserve(as in room for more lanes in teh future) on each side... So much so that there would be plenty of room to make merging lanes with Nerang-Broadbeach Rd.

Here is an arial pic...

If you look to the very right where you can see a dark rectangle next to the road, that is a spare carpark, god knows why they dont open it for footy matches as it would ease congestion. But this pic goes to show there is plenty of room for road re-development. And as you can see the Nerang River backs right onto it, imagine getting on a cruise from Surfers enhoying a few beers on the way to the footy? I know if I was involved in teh marketing of AFL there, Id be pumping that up.

Just for teh sake of it, here's an arial of the Sharks home ground. It's a little decieving as just out of shot at the bottom of the pic is a 5 lane main road, and that road on the left has houses on the other side.


http://www.southportsharks.com.au/html/home.html

 

[Flag Man]

Zero, your username now matches your credibility.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

im merely FOR the AFL, for it being the most popular and best competition in the country. to best achieve that, we need clubs there to be the focus of promotion in the new markets. of the options, relocation is the best for the new club (considering the initial list and promotion in melbourne), and sooner rather than later is also better. and its better for the remaining clubs in melbourne if there is less clubs there, with more advertising dollar and refugees from the old club.

look, i couldnt care less whether its the roos or the dogs or someone else or both or neither. i couldnt even care less if you all stay in the comp and we add two new teams to make an 18 team comp. but iv heard that this isnt viable, and i believe it.

I thought Tas' response was very measured and adult, but there you go.

This is the part of your post that I found interesting, and it's a bit of a divide. Most of us aren't "for the AFL" at all. We support a club, that plays in the AFL competition. We'll back the AFL as long as its interests and our club's coincide, and no further. If the interests of the AFL spell the meaningful end of our club, then we are lost to the competition.

Maybe it's a state thing, but I'd bet the vast majority of "AFL" supporters and paying customers feel the same way - and I'd also bet that, after its mistakes of the 1980s and 1990s, the AFL's Commission and management aren't silly enough to throw away the strong financial and support base represented by the old-fashioned club supporters.

 

[catters05]

2 new CLubs, Gold Coast Sharks and Tassie.

The Vic clubs then can play some home games in Sydney to promote the club and continue in Canberra and Darwin.

Fully national state Comp then.

 

[NimChief]

And yet the AFL has just increased their payment by 40%. Doesnt that tell you something?

What this tells me is what hypocritical phoney twofaced dullards you are!

Everybody on this board demands that North should relocate and merge because we are burning up all the AFL's money.

Well hello! North did offer to relocate to Sydney and did offer to merge with Fitzroy.

Yet you denied North these proposals

The football community only has themselves to blame for North being on the CBF, as they have deprived North the ability to fulfil the football communities fantasies of having less teams in Melbourne.

Can't you see how hypocritical you are?

 

[bloodsports]

2 new CLubs, Gold Coast Sharks and Tassie.

For the F'ckin life of me I cannot understand why anyone would want the AFL to start a team in Tasmania ???!!!??? Unless you are a tasmanian of course.

There's bloody no one down there and the population is growing at a snails pace compared to western Sydney. It's all about numbers people.

 

[bloodsports]

What this tells me is what hypocritical phoney twofaced dullards you are!

Everybody on this board demands that North should relocate and merge because we are burning up all the AFL's money.

Well hello! North did offer to relocate to Sydney and did offer to merge with Fitzroy.

Yet you denied North these proposals

The football community only has themselves to blame for North being on the CBF, as they have deprived North the ability to fulfil the football communities fantasies of having less teams in Melbourne.

Can't you see how hypocritical you are?

What so you think that north can just stay on the CBF to the tune of about 1.5 million a year for the next hundred years with no improvment in their bottom line ???

Dream on buddy. A hard reality is heading your way sooner rather than later.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

What so you think that north can just stay on the CBF to the tune of about 1.5 million a year for the next hundred years with no improvment in their bottom line ???

Dream on buddy. A hard reality is heading your way sooner rather than later.

Our bottom line is improving all the time, we have no debt to speak of (having written it all off and delivered some shocking results a few years ago), we live within our means and our membership rises each year. Whether the CBF is needed beyond the short term depends on how the AFL chooses to maintain "competitive balance". We would all much prefer it was through other, non-cash means so our hands were less tied and we could raise even more income ourselves. We'll see.

Although even 100 years isn't that long a time when you're a real club that's been playing since the decade the game was invented.

Thanks for caring.

 

[catters05]

For the F'ckin life of me I cannot understand why anyone would want the AFL to start a team in Tasmania ???!!!??? Unless you are a tasmanian of course.

There's bloody no one down there and the population is growing at a snails pace compared to western Sydney. It's all about numbers people.

A tasmanian team would get more support then a West Sydney team. Also a tasmanian team does not have to compete with 10 NRL teams, 1 AFL team, 1 A-League Team and god knows what else in Sydney. The Tassie team has.......nothing to compete with.

 

[Adnar]

A tasmanian team would get more support then a West Sydney team. Also a tasmanian team does not have to compete with 10 NRL teams, 1 AFL team, 1 A-League Team and god knows what else in Sydney. The Tassie team has.......nothing to compete with.

A sport dosn't just need so many people coming to the game. 80% of revenue is TV and Corporate. Tasmania simply do not have the economic $$ to support a football club that turns over $20 Million + a year.

I support a new team in both Sydney west and Gold Coast (GC first) but I don't think the should relocate a Melbourne team. If they do not want to go beyond 16 teams then 1 or 2 melbourne clubs should be forced to dissolve or merge, and new franchises start in the new markets. If the swans have taught us anything is that it is a lot harder to get a transplanted team accepted by their new community then a new one.

 

[toddy]

A sport dosn't just need so many people coming to the game. 80% of revenue is TV and Corporate. Tasmania simply do not have the economic $$ to support a football club that turns over $20 Million + a year.

I support a new team in both Sydney west and Gold Coast (GC first) but I don't think the should relocate a Melbourne team. If they do not want to go beyond 16 teams then 1 or 2 melbourne clubs should be forced to dissolve or merge, and new franchises start in the new markets. If the swans have taught us anything is that it is a lot harder to get a transplanted team accepted by their new community then a new one.

Absolutley spot on!!! If a GC team was to arise it would need to be a new franchise and it would have to be soon (As to not allow the Titans to settle). Transporting say the Kangaroos for arguments sake would certainly not lead to success compared to a team the GC could call their own and not a failure from Melbourne (Not a comment on Kangaroos by any means).

 

[Warwick]

Don't agree. If you want a team based at the coast i think it needs to be a relocated Melbourne side, purely based on the fact that 17 teams is too many. A increase in the number of teams (particularly) if it is a new one, means less money for the struggling clubs.