Just a copy cat scenario I believe- Opposition Clubs are doing it so we better too. I believe in the value of Pre Season but a couple of runs Pre Xmas runs to meet New recruits get yourself moving again then put your head down in January is plenty of time.Fair enough Fly. The pre-season is there for a reason I suppose and the fact all clubs complete it would mean they rate it as something that plays a part in preparing them for a season. Agree that Nov training can sound harsh but if it wasn't necessary then clubs would come back in Jan/Feb wouldn't they?