Goulburn Valley FL 2025

["The Roar Is Back"]

Demograophics are impacting leagues like never before. Smaller towns are dropping out of Major League Football and trying to find a niche in a weaker competition. The bigger towns appear to be getting stronger and have the junior numbers to continually spill over into senior ranks. The more affluent towns and suburbs appear to be getting stronger.

More teams in ‘ junior only comps ‘ which often draw from competing teams but it assists talent ID .

 

[JP Ollards]

Their recruitment has traditionally been from GVL clubs where players are looking to reduce their commitment which will dry up if in the same comp .
Not exactly sure regarding finals, I’ll research

Maybe that's why they'll go to bendigo, so they can keep recruiting gv players. When they won the gf they recruited guys from the ammos

 

[Silver Tongue]

Maybe that's why they'll go to bendigo, so they can keep recruiting gv players. When they won the gf they recruited guys from the ammos

I think a strong GV needs Moama in it as the Bendigo league is currently a circus. There are 700 kids in Moama Anglican College which divided by half is more than Rochy/Euroa or Tatura that doesn't have a High School.

I couldn't believe how big Tatura has become as a town when I went their last year after a 30 year gap. And the ground itself with facilities. Wow.

Moama need to follow the Echuca model and get a Walker-like coach out of AFL and make it a place kids want to be. No zoning so Echuca kids can play there also.

And then watch out.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Maybe that's why they'll go to bendigo, so they can keep recruiting gv players. When they won the gf they recruited guys from the ammos

Or they stay where they are in the Murray .
I’m hearing that a major factor in the effort to get them to move is due to Murray League having a fall out with AFL Vic. / AFLGM which is not an unprecedented approach .

 

[JP Ollards]

Or they stay where they are in the Murray .
I’m hearing that a major factor in the effort to get them to move is due to Murray League having a fall out with AFL Vic. / AFLGM which is not an unprecedented approach .

I think it'd be easier to recruit, without having to go to deni, Finley, Mallala

 

[JP Ollards]

I think a strong GV needs Moama in it as the Bendigo league is currently a circus. There are 700 kids in Moama Anglican College which divided by half is more than Rochy/Euroa or Tatura that doesn't have a High School.

I couldn't believe how big Tatura has become as a town when I went their last year after a 30 year gap. And the ground itself with facilities. Wow.

Moama need to follow the Echuca model and get a Walker-like coach out of AFL and make it a place kids want to be. No zoning so Echuca kids can play there also.

And then watch out.

They did try that with Todd viney, nearly ripped the heart out of the place and took a long time for Moama to recover

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

I think it'd be easier to recruit, without having to go to deni, Finley, Mallala

Deni no further than Shepp and it’s only once , Finley - Euroa , Mulwala - Seymou and then there is Benalla and Mansfield .
It’s unlikely to assist with any recruiting or retaining of players based on reduced travel. They would get an advantage by being the most north / western club so closer for players in the Deni , Mathoura , Moulmein areas . Which is already a very competitive market as there are no players further north and any players coming from any other direction has numerous closer clubs Z

 

[johnno#7]

Deni no further than Shepp and it’s only once , Finley - Euroa , Mulwala - Seymou and then there is Benalla and Mansfield .
It’s unlikely to assist with any recruiting or retaining of players based on reduced travel. They would get an advantage by being the most north / western club so closer for players in the Deni , Mathoura , Moulmein areas . Which is already a very competitive market as there are no players further north and any players coming from any other direction has numerous closer clubs Z

The general consensus between posters is that Echuca-moama is a big enough town to support 2 gvfl teams. This means moama would not be relying on recruiting from towns such as Moulmein. There is enough depth of talent in the area already to draw upon.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Big difference between tongala and Moama. How many years have Moama seniors missed finals? They've always been able to recruit players too

Their recruitment has traditionally been from GVL clubs where players are looking to reduce their commitment which will dry up if in the same comp .
Not exactly sure regarding finals, I’ll research

If I’ve looked up correctly Moama seniors have made finals 3 times since 2010 .
2015 , 2017 and 2024

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

The general consensus between posters is that Echuca-moama is a big enough town to support 2 gvfl teams. This means moama would not be relying on recruiting from towns such as Moulmein. There is enough depth of talent in the area already to draw upon.

Thats the assumption , but it’s far from proven . Yes Echuca are strong but the other two teams in the two towns aren’t at senior level .
2024 is seemingly the only year Moana have played finals in 7 years ( which admittedly includes the covid non year included ) and they weren’t going to play finals in the year finals were stopped .
The 2024 side was strongly influenced by Kyabram recruits whilst ringo1 could confirm , but I don’t believe the recent Echuca dynasty has had a major influence of players who have transferred from Moama as mature ( non junior ) players .

 

[johnno#7]

Thats the assumption , but it’s far from proven . Yes Echuca are strong but the other two teams in the two towns aren’t at senior level .
2024 is seemingly the only year Moana have played finals in 7 years ( which admittedly includes the covid non year included ) and they weren’t going to play finals in the year finals were stopped .
The 2024 side was strongly influenced by Kyabram recruits whilst ringo1 could confirm , but I don’t believe the recent Echuca dynasty has had a major influence of players who have transferred from Moama as mature ( non junior ) players .

What is far from proven? The fact that Echuca-Moama has a big enough population for 2 GV teams?
This is not about current on field performances and no one except you has tried to say it is. No one is saying currently moama are up to the standard but it is a view that if admitted into the GV they would be soon enough.
You do this a lot where you change the argument as you go.

 

[redragger]

Maybe that's why they'll go to bendigo, so they can keep recruiting gv players. When they won the gf they recruited guys from the ammos

Who did they recruit from the ammos?

 

[redragger]

If I’ve looked up correctly Moama seniors have made finals 3 times since 2010 .
2015 , 2017 and 2024

Made finals in 2011 and 2016 as well. From memory, made the GF in 2016.

 

[JP Ollards]

Who did they recruit from the ammos?

Scambler

 

[JP Ollards]

Deni no further than Shepp and it’s only once , Finley - Euroa , Mulwala - Seymou and then there is Benalla and Mansfield .
It’s unlikely to assist with any recruiting or retaining of players based on reduced travel. They would get an advantage by being the most north / western club so closer for players in the Deni , Mathoura , Moulmein areas . Which is already a very competitive market as there are no players further north and any players coming from any other direction has numerous closer clubs Z

I was thinking if they moved to bendigo it would easier to retain players and recruit from the gv still

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

What is far from proven? The fact that Echuca-Moama has a big enough population for 2 GV teams?
This is not about current on field performances and no one except you has tried to say it is. No one is saying currently moama are up to the standard but it is a view that if admitted into the GV they would be soon enough.
You do this a lot where you change the argument as you go.

there is nothing to suggest they will be successful in the GvL in fact available evidence suggests completely the contrary . Population is not the sole determining factor for onfied success . Many border towns are becoming retirement destinations despite overall population growth clubs in and within 50 klms who drag from those towns are often seeing player shortage .
There is more to Echuca’s recent success than just population growth .
Taking personal pot shots because I don’t ageee with you is water off this ducks back

 

[JP Ollards]

My point is there is nothing to suggest they will be successful in the GvL in fact available evidence suggests completely the contrary . Population is not the sole determining factor for infield success . Many border towns are becoming retirement destinations despite overall population growth clubs in and within 50 klms who drag from those towns are often seeing player shortage .
Taking personal pot shots because I don’t ageee with you is water off this ducks back

Moama used to have good juniors, like the aggs, Rankins, eddy etc, but do many now go across and play for Echuca, I don't recall as many in the pioneers as the late 90s early 2000s. I also noticed hardly any kids from the hdfl or lvfl now in the squad, I'd say the better kids are now funnelled into the bigger clubs earlier.

Don't lots of people live in Moama and work in Echuca?

Yarrawonga are similar size to Moama and do okay in the ovens and murray, I'd suggest that's more a retirement place than Moama.

In saying that the Murray league is still a good league, the jump for them to go into the gv or Bendigo isn't that big anymore

 

[ringo1]

The Bendigo League is a mess. Losing Maryborough and Kyneton is a huge blow and there could be more to follow. Gisborne will be chased by the Ballarat league, K Flat are in a cycle of hurt, Castlemaine are having a crack but it needs to be sustainable.The bemusing introduction of Broadford hasn't helped. I would like to know who is going to recruit 90 players, three coaches, support crew and a committee by November this year. If Moama head down that track they could be playing in a very compromised competition.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Moama used to have good juniors, like the aggs, Rankins, eddy etc, but do many now go across and play for Echuca, I don't recall as many in the pioneers as the late 90s early 2000s. I also noticed hardly any kids from the hdfl or lvfl now in the squad, I'd say the better kids are now funnelled into the bigger clubs earlier.

Don't lots of people live in Moama and work in Echuca?

Yarrawonga are similar size to Moama and do okay in the ovens and murray, I'd suggest that's more a retirement place than Moama.

In saying that the Murray league is still a good league, the jump for them to go into the gv or Bendigo isn't that big anymore

I think the shepp based teams have proven that great juniors doesn’t automatically transfer to senior success whilst and the rebuild is long under the points system .
Yarrawonga have in recent past struggled for junior numbers , their recruitment for junior numbers this year had been aggressive and wide spread , whilstI’m unaware of players joining Moana and coincidentally obtaining land in the most popular estate .

 

[footyfan67]

If I’ve looked up correctly Moama seniors have made finals 3 times since 2010 .
2015 , 2017 and 2024

Moama have played in the last 3 prelim finals

 

[footyfan67]

From 2010 Moama have played in 8 finals series. 2010 won gf, 2011 finals, 2015 lost grand final 2016,17 finals 2022,23,24 prelim

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

From 2010 Moama have played in 8 finals series. 2010 won gf, 2011 finals, 2015 lost grand final 2016,17 finals 2022,23,24 prelim

Thanks for clarifying and I apologise for mis-leading info.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

The Bendigo League is a mess. Losing Maryborough and Kyneton is a huge blow and there could be more to follow. Gisborne will be chased by the Ballarat league, K Flat are in a cycle of hurt, Castlemaine are having a crack but it needs to be sustainable.The bemusing introduction of Broadford hasn't helped. I would like to know who is going to recruit 90 players, three coaches, support crew and a committee by November this year. If Moama head down that track they could be playing in a very compromised competition.

Unless there is a major issue between the club and the Murray League, the most obvious choice is to stay put IMO .
As you’ve pointed out in its currnt
Format the BFL looks a mess .
My understanding is there is a strong chance there’ll be state wide change next year .

 

[Silver Tongue]

Great conversation about Moama.

More importantly what team or teams might challenge Echuca this year? Have Shepparton picked up enough to bridge the gap? Rochester have got a couple who are playing predominantly VFL ... Mansfield seem to be loading up with a few.

 

[jayco13]

Great conversation about Moama.

More importantly what team or teams might challenge Echuca this year? Have Shepparton picked up enough to bridge the gap? Rochester have got a couple who are playing predominantly VFL ... Mansfield seem to be loading up with a few.

Geez this has put a stop to today's posting frenzy