Oppo Camp Graham Wright (Once loved, now loathed).

[Cousin of Daicos]

Sorry for this, or you are talking wishful thinking and through your nose.
By your good self. They don’t make those decisions this early

Neither. My post was more a hypothetical around the suggestion that Wright allegedly hates Bucks. I have no clue if it's true or not, it's not something I ever heard back in the day, I heard it was Paul Williams who didn't like Bucks, not Wright. But if it WAS true that Wright hates Bucks and yet he's still accepted the job despite that, I was just saying that it could be because he's been informed Bucks is gone at year's end that's all.

As to your last sentence, I'd wager they often do. Whether it's in recruiting, coaching calls et al. Sometimes calls get made very early.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

And if he has a bad year the club might decide he’s had long enough and time is up.

Neither scenario however has anything to do with Graeme Wright, or ridiculous allegations that Wright has demanded conditions

No one has alleged that. My post was a hypothetical around the suggestion that Wright hates Bucks, which I have no idea is true and have never heard myself.

 

[Scodog10]

So, another recruitment of a person to a role that is not the role they made their name in.
Its the Collingwood way after all.
Coach who has never been a head coach, or even had other club coaching experience.
A ruck coach who was a full time full forward throughout his career.....
I could go on.
But I doubt a thousand words would alter the rusted on’s perception that the club can do no wrong....

Blair Hartley, Damian Hardwick and Brendan Gale were all appointed to roles they had no experience in when they joined the Richmond football club. It’s called career progression...

 

[jmac70]

No one has alleged that. My post was a hypothetical around the suggestion that Wright hates Bucks, which I have no idea is true and have never heard myself.

If you’ve never heard it why post about it?

 

[TKiL]

No one has alleged that. My post was a hypothetical around the suggestion that Wright hates Bucks, which I have no idea is true and have never heard myself.

Thanks for confirming the above.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Time will tell if it’s a great appointment or just a good one.

Serious question: how will we know?

Of course if we win a Premiership then everybody from President to the bootstudder will have been a great appointment.

But what if we end up 4th or 7th or 10th? Will that mean that our Footy boss is a dud? Or our senior coach is a dud? Or our recruiter is a dud?

What expectations do we put on the shoulders of the footy boss beyond how well he jazzes up the injury report?

 

[jmac70]

Serious question: how will we know?

Of course if we win a Premiership then everybody from President to the bootstudder will have been a good appointment.

But what if we end up 4th or 7th or 10th? Will that mean that our Footy boss is a dud? Or our senior coach is a dud? Or our recruiter is a dud?

What expectations do we put on the shoulders of the footy boss beyond how well he jazzes up the injury report?

Not stuffing up the salary cap would be a good start.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

If you’ve never heard it why post about it?

Because you're not the gatekeeper of what gets posted about and by whom?

 

[76woodenspooners]

Not stuffing up the salary cap would be a good start.

The only reason we know the salary cap was screwed is because the club told us. They could have back ended Treloar’s contract another year, kept everyone of note on the books, and Walsh could have retired and we’d be oblivious ... at least for a few years and by then we’ll be blaming somebody else.

Besides, imagine if the club came out with “Look, we’ve been really responsible with the salary cap the last few years ... we could have loaded ourselves up with back ended contracts but we didn’t think hocking our future was the responsible thing to do” ... you’d have the pitchfork brigade screaming that we would have won 2 Premierships (instead of Richmond) if we hadn’t been stupidly penny pinching while we were in a Premiership window.

Welcome to Collingwood Writey ... where you’ll be damned for anything you do that hasn’t demonstrably delivered a Premiership / Premierships / Dynasties. No pressure.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

No one has alleged that. My post was a hypothetical around the suggestion that Wright hates Bucks, which I have no idea is true and have never heard myself.

Plenty have implied that Wright has joined only on the proviso that Buckley is leaving. Which is completely nonsensical.

The "Wright hates Bucks" non-story stems from a game when Buckley was still at the Bears and his Collingwood opponents (and soon to be teammates) were sledging him on the field to try and win a game of football.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Or the club may have decided already, looks like the club is going in new directions. It might be unlikely and is certainly speculative - most certainly surprising (pleasantly) that if the club has directed Bucks (and or Sando / Harves) to 'finish on a good development year'.

After all the letter we all got that letter from Mark Anderson that basically conceded that 'we are looking to improve from within' (from a list perspective).

That may be a concession that we are no longer contending, who knows.

In any case certainly gives Wrighty a full plate to work with!

The club has not sacked Buckley or given him one years notice. He will be judged later in the year. Stop spinning lies.

 

[jackcass]

Are we likely to bring in any further assistant coaches? Buckley, Sanderson, Harvey and Skipworth seems a little light on. We've lost Longmuir, then Boyd who replaced him, as well as Hocking and Rocca in the last few years. I think we're a bit short. This might be Wrights first chance to influence.

Hard to know who else might be added to the FD. With something like $3M disappearing from the FD budget there might not be a lot of room left.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Plenty have implied that Wright has joined only on the proviso that Buckley is leaving. Which is completely nonsensical.

The "Wright hates Bucks" non-story stems from a game when Buckley was still at the Bears and his Collingwood opponents (and soon to be teammates) were sledging him on the field to try and win a game of football.

I assumed that was aimed at me. Force of habit.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be surprised if the club has already made the call on Bucks myself. But I have no idea if that's the case. I hope it is. I'd like to start 2022 completely fresh. New Pres, new coach, no.1 Draft pick. I think we need that as an organisation.

My wish is that Ed is leaving a parting gift of Wright/Clarkson/Monkhorst. I believe (I could be wrong), that Clarko's contract runs out this year too.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

There is zero chance that Buckley has been told this is his last season.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

There is zero chance that Buckley has been told this is his last season.

We'll most likely never know either way.

 

[Scodog10]

There is zero chance that Buckley has been told this is his last season.

Facts! His coaching mortality has no doubt been discussed in relation to 2021, but there’s absolutely no way they’ve told him he’s done.

We'll most likely never know either way.

Nope. Buckley’s a career coach if he’d been told that then he’d walk. His management would not be keeping it under wraps.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

We'll most likely never know either way.

No, you’re just wrong.

There is zero chance right here right now that has been told unequivocally that this is his last year.

His future beyond 2021 will be decided during or at the end of the year, not now.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

So, another recruitment of a person to a role that is not the role they made their name in.
Its the Collingwood way after all.
Coach who has never been a head coach, or even had other club coaching experience.
A ruck coach who was a full time full forward throughout his career.....
I could go on.
But I doubt a thousand words would alter the rusted on’s perception that the club can do no wrong....

It's the name that has captured the hearts of posters. Their heads are as yet to come to terms with the name being assigned a different role.

 

[sr36]

Neither. My post was more a hypothetical around the suggestion that Wright allegedly hates Bucks. I have no clue if it's true or not, it's not something I ever heard back in the day, I heard it was Paul Williams who didn't like Bucks, not Wright. But if it WAS true that Wright hates Bucks and yet he's still accepted the job despite that, I was just saying that it could be because he's been informed Bucks is gone at year's end that's all.

As to your last sentence, I'd wager they often do. Whether it's in recruiting, coaching calls et al. Sometimes calls get made very early.

Very unlikely that there is already a commitment to get rid of Bucks at the end of the year. If we have another 2018 style year, there's no way we'd move him on.

 

[76woodenspooners]

There is zero chance that Buckley has been told this is his last season.

What do you think the probability is of Buckley having told the club that this is his last season?

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

What do you think the probability is of Buckley having told the club that this is his last season?

Unequivocally? Zero.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Unequivocally? Zero.

No offence, but that seems a touch naïve. To think that it's simply impossible that - be it on Nathan's end or the Club's, it's already organised that it's his last year.

Again, I'm not saying it is, but to say it's completely impossible that something like that could be organised seems naïve. Even more so when you remember that we were the pioneers of the planned obsolescence/handover model in football.

 

[Leviathan Pie]

What do you think the probability is of Buckley having told the club that this is his last season?

Thats an intriguing thought in itself.

Left of field, but not entirely out of the realms of possibility.

 

[left at home]

Serious question: how will we know?

Of course if we win a Premiership then everybody from President to the bootstudder will have been a great appointment.

But what if we end up 4th or 7th or 10th? Will that mean that our Footy boss is a dud? Or our senior coach is a dud? Or our recruiter is a dud?

What expectations do we put on the shoulders of the footy boss beyond how well he jazzes up the injury report?

It’s a good question, all in all likelihood it will come down to personal opinion.
Success is always for most the most important for many, it’s the ultimate outcome.
But over all strategies. Free agents, draft choices, list balance, coaches (if needed), recovery programs, all that’s under his control.
Most importantly keeping the next president at arms length in these matters.
Especially players. Just my personal opinion, no proof one way or the other is that Eddie had too much say and influence in the past. Beams to me was his boy.

A well run footy program is the outcome l would want.
But it’s just me, as l am not in the know, in the club, it will be my personal opinion

 

[Gabbo64]

No one has alleged that. My post was a hypothetical around the suggestion that Wright hates Bucks, which I have no idea is true and have never heard myself.

Sorry, I haven't read the whole thread here, but are you saying that you just made up a scenario just so you could get a few bites?