Grand Final decided in 2 games?

[telsor]

How come american sports can do it not once but 7 times and we cant? it went fine when we did it after the 2010 drawn game despite all the sooking.

Vastly higher budgets, and much better transport infrastructure. I don't recall seeing any of those games in Hawaii for example (which would still be easier to arrange than dealing with the remoteness of Perth).

2010 wasn't moved. It was just replayed, in the same spot. Also, because it was unexpected, it was easier, because they didn't have to jump through all the same hoops.

 

[Toump Ass]

Adelaide were the best team of 2017.

No they weren't.

You're just bitter because Richmond annihilated the Cats.

 

[Ishmael_]

Not the worst idea, but two games seems like an unhappy compromise between a grand final and a 7 finals series. A three game decider regardless of aggregate score would be better.

Also, winning on margin, but losing the second game would be underwhelming and the second game would kill teams with poor list depth .

I'd like to see the venue rotated, even if for a 5 year trial. If everyone hates it, change it back.

 

[citizen-erased]

its worth noting the Crows played 3 games @ the G during the year and didn't lose one of them

But i am sympathetic to the fact that victorian grand finalists gain a ground advantage over non-vic finalists, and quite needlessly too.
One thing the AFL could do is send non-Vic clubs to random grounds as much as they do.

Crows went to Tas, Darwin, Geelong & Etihad this year to play victorian opponents
Thats 4 opportunities to get teams at the G.
Makes a lot more sense for these games to involve 2x Vic teams, who get greater access to games on the same ground as the GF than teams that see it less than 2 times a year.

Across 50 games, the G saw non-Vic teams play on it 16 times prior to the finals.
Conversely, the Tigers got their 12th game for the year there on GF day.

Had the crows played those 4 games in Tas, Darwin, Geelong and Etihad @ the G, it would have been game 8 for them there.
Levels it up a bit

 

[smasha]

Amazing how silly oppos can be with all these tin foil theories on changing the grand final all because RICHMOND won the flag.

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[citizen-erased]

Amazing how silly oppos can be with all these tin foil theories on changing the grand final all because RICHMOND won the flag.

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we are everyone's unfair grand final?

seriously though, just get the no-vic sides on the G more through the year.

 

[RUNVS]

Amazing how silly oppos can be with all these tin foil theories on changing the grand final all because RICHMOND won the flag.

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Not everything is about Richmond. That is just the small straw that broke the camels back as 5 Grand Finals in a row of the Victorian team beating the non-Victorian team is starting to become a pattern.

 

[dean33]

Given the debate occurring at the moment about Melbourne teams having an unfair advantage in Grand Finals due to the game being at the MCG, another idea could be to hold 2 games of football to decide the Premiers.

So basically, it would be just like the International Rules series where the Premiers are decided on the best for and against across the two games.

Obviously, each game will be at each other’s home ground, however the higher ranked team can choose whether they play at home in game 1 or game 2 (an interesting decision if you ask me). So the last few Grand Finals would obviously tell a different story, given the Melbourne teams were the lower ranked sides.

I think Gil and the AFL would be keen on this as well, it would mean much more revenue for the AFL as there would be 2 Grand Finals and it’ll also show us who truly was the best team of the year.

Why only best of 2? Why not best of 7 with the higher ranked team having 4 home games with their opponent having 3. We can extend the season by nearly 2 months. Obviously players will get injured so when each team doesn’t have a fit 22 to pick we can organize a grand final draft so the 2 teams can pick anyone from the other 16 teams. By the time the premier is decided every player that played in the 7 games would get a medal so you could get a player from a bottom side become a premiership player if lucky enough to be chosen in the “grand final draft”.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Not everything is about Richmond. That is just the small straw that broke the camels back as 5 Grand Finals in a row of the Victorian team beating the non-Victorian team is starting to become a pattern.

When does it become a pattern?

 

[citizen-erased]

Not everything is about Richmond. That is just the small straw that broke the camels back as 5 Grand Finals in a row of the Victorian team beating the non-Victorian team is starting to become a pattern.

01-06 saw 6 non-vic teams win it, albeit only half of those were against vic opponents.
I think the evenness of the comp will throw up more of these vic v non-vic GFs.
Strong non-vic teams should make the top end of the 8 each year with home ground advantages cementing their position.
In all honesty, richmond's season was made easier by the Swans stumbling early, otherwise just one win and the top 4 would have been 3 non vic sides and Geelong (another team with a home ground advantage)

Its a tough issue
Top 4 will be dominated by teams with home grounds they have virtually exclusive access to.
But this can and will come back to haunt them GF day if they happen across a vic team who play a lot of games there.

in saying that, in 2016 both the Dogs and Swans played 2 H&A games at the G and a final each prior to the GF.
So go figure.

 

[1970crow]

Grand Final game 2 would have the sting out of it with Richmond starting with a 48 point advantage, right?

It's a kick with the wind decision. You always kick with the wind.

 

[Frank Gallagher]

Yeah i do actually: play one grand final and whoever wins is premier.

Even though it severely favours 1 team in most cases? IMO we're still in dark ages regarding crowning our premier team, i'm not however in favour of a points difference system, i'd rather have a best of 3 system, 1 home 1 away and one neutral if needed.

 

[GeelongFTW]

I reckon this has merit until you take into account what a previous posted said. What if it's sunny in Adelaide and the crows win by 30 points only for the return match at the MCG to be pissing rain meaning even scoring 5 goals is a challenge. It's just not fair in an outdoor sport.

Discussion over.

What are Duckworth and Lewis doing nowadays?

 

[_Cayz_]

I forget the exact stats but I think a home ground advantage averaged up to equalling about 3 goals, on average at least, and when it comes to the Grand Final that is not a small amount as it essentially means one team given a disadvantage the moment they set foot on the ground.

I mean there are 3 possibilities as far as I am concerned

1 - Leave it as it is, accepting that Victorian clubs will always have an advantage in the Grand Final.
2 - Have 2 Grand Finals, the first one played at the home teams venue, and then playing at the other teams home venue, continuing the score from the previous week.
3 - Literally have 3 games and the winner is the team that wins 2 out of 3.

If you take 3 goals off us and gave them to Adelaide we'd still be the reigning Premiers.

 

[Jukesy85]

Round 6: Adelaide 21.14.140 defeated Richmond 10.4.64
Grand Final: Adelaide 8.12.60 lost to Richmond 16.12.108
Adelaide 29.26.200 defeated Richmond 26.16.172

Your real 2017 AFL premiers...the Adelaide Crows! Not even close tbh.


(Please note that this is sarcasm and that I think the grand final is perfectly fine as it is and any changes probably wouldn't be too good or fair - plus, it's not that big of a deal anyway - these last five Vic sides to beat non-Vic sides in the grand finals have been always the best team on the day, home ground advantage or not.)

 

[Tiger Toffee]

No one had a problem with the MCG before September 30 did they.....except maybe Geelong and i'm not talking about it's supporters either

 

[dean33]

No one is jealous of Richmond. I mean sure Adelaide lost in the 2017 Grand Final, but overall I would much rather be a fan of Adelaide over the past 25 years than I would a fan of Richmond. Adelaide has a certain amount of dignity as a club, never actively seeking out a wooden spoon.

Oh no... the last 25-35 years made 2017 all the sweeter. The struggles of a real club finally making it against all odds and climbing the mountain, as opposed to the afl love child being given a massive legup to get there.

 

[dean33]

Seriously this thread idea is one of the most stupid on bigfooty, at first I just thought people were taking the piss but there are some that are serious. The name grand FINAL should give it away, it’s a FINAL, there are no more after this, it’s one grand final game to find out the best on the biggest stage of all. This ain’t basketball where you can play another game 2 nights later. You get some grand finals where half the team wouldn’t be able to get up the week after, by game 3 you’d have half your reserves team playing. 3 norm smiths as well I suppose? Seriously what a stupid idea.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Oh no... the last 25-35 years made 2017 all the more sweeter. The struggles of a real club finally making it against all odds and climbing the mountain, as opposed to the afl love child being given a massive legup to get there.

He conveniently forgets the draft tampering/salary cap cheating the crows were found guilty of and penalised for. He’s perfectly fine with how “dignified” the crows were with that. Maybe coz it’s Tippett and he went to the swans as a result of it.

 

[cub]

Must admit I have enjoyed Bigfooty the last 5 months after a long layoff - Love all the salt and pissing and moaning and celebrating our premiership....but time may be closing in to go away again.....
What a load of nonsense

 

[Drewie11]

Amazing how silly oppos can be with all these tin foil theories on changing the grand final all because RICHMOND won the flag.

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Yep, I think this is the first time I’ve ever seen people complaining about the grand final benefiting Melbourne clubs

I’m amazed it’s never been talked about before.....

 

[juss]

Given the debate occurring at the moment about Melbourne teams having an unfair advantage in Grand Finals due to the game being at the MCG, another idea could be to hold 2 games of football to decide the Premiers.

So basically, it would be just like the International Rules series where the Premiers are decided on the best for and against across the two games.

Obviously, each game will be at each other’s home ground, however the higher ranked team can choose whether they play at home in game 1 or game 2 (an interesting decision if you ask me). So the last few Grand Finals would obviously tell a different story, given the Melbourne teams were the lower ranked sides.

I think Gil and the AFL would be keen on this as well, it would mean much more revenue for the AFL as there would be 2 Grand Finals and it’ll also show us who truly was the best team of the year.

Its an interesting discussion, and I have heard worse ideas.

My biggest criticism is AFL premierships (and finals and h&a games) have always been out about the best team on the day. This allows for upsets, and adds to the excitement.

If you play it over 2 games, and the first game is a blowout, the the next week is essentially a dead rubber as winning week 1 side is just going to shut up shop and congest the game.

Logistically for the fans as well, you want to attend the Grand Final, not half of it.
Very hard for members to get tickets twice, and airlines going to make a killing two weeks in a row.

Its a no from me.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Yep, I think this is the first time I’ve ever seen people complaining about the grand final benefiting Melbourne clubs

I’m amazed it’s never been talked about before.....

Did the crows lose the GF because it was played in Melbourne?

 

[Drewie11]

Did the crows lose the GF because it was played in Melbourne?

No, Richmond were better on the day. But if it is not an advantage to play at home why do teams aim for 1st and 2nd and 5th and 6th. Interstate teams need to suck it up for now and hopefully something changes soon.

Remember when everyone was bitching about the Riverina district for GWS because it wasn’t “fair”

 

[Drewie11]

Did the crows lose the GF because it was played in Melbourne?

Do you think the result would have been the same if the game was at Adelaide oval?