Gubby Allan should be ashamed

[TheSooner]

This is the second time Gubby Allan has overseen the demolition of a good list.

Why is he never held accountable?

Is there a more over paid, over rated person in football?

Last time it was Ricky Barham who was the scapegoat. Barham is now viewed as somewhat of a genius at the Swans.


The fact that Allan promoted his own son to the senior list at the expense of a much more talented rookie (Baird) surely raises major questions over his judgement and integrity.

Marcus Allan is a honest QAFL player. Nothing more. He was even lucky to be on an AFL rookie list.

Gubby Allan should accept some responsibility and stand down.

 

[Chasing the Dream]

Would you like him at Carlton?

 

[TheSooner]

Would you like him at Carlton?

No, but I'd like him back at Collingwood!

 

[boof]

This is the second time Gubby Allan has overseen the demolition of a good list.

Why is he never held accountable?

Is there a more over paid, over rated person in football?

Last time it was Ricky Barham who was the scapegoat. Barham is now viewed as somewhat of a genius at the Swans.


The fact that Allan promoted his own son to the senior list at the expense of a much more talented rookie (Baird) surely raises major questions over his judgement and integrity.

Marcus Allan is a honest QAFL player. Nothing more. He was even lucky to be on an AFL rookie list.

Gubby Allan should accept some responsibility and stand down.

Baird rejected an offer you fool. He wanted to come back to Victoria and Brisbane wanted to keep him. So before you slag someone off get your facts right you flog. Are you just a bit jealous that he can taste premiership success at two clubs and your club is at the bottom of the ladder with no hoping of seeing a premiership in this decade.
Marcus fought his way onto the list and is a much better player than many Carlton players.
You are a total flog with no idea.
And I don't see how Brisbane's list has been demolished.
By the way, living in Melbourne, how would you know what sort of player Marcus is anyway?

 

[boof]

This is the second time Gubby Allan has overseen the demolition of a good list.

Why is he never held accountable?

Is there a more over paid, over rated person in football?

Last time it was Ricky Barham who was the scapegoat. Barham is now viewed as somewhat of a genius at the Swans.


The fact that Allan promoted his own son to the senior list at the expense of a much more talented rookie (Baird) surely raises major questions over his judgement and integrity.

Marcus Allan is a honest QAFL player. Nothing more. He was even lucky to be on an AFL rookie list.

Gubby Allan should accept some responsibility and stand down.

He didn't promote his son. Leigh Matthews did and you would be happy to know that he has withdrawn himself from the match committee, surely meaning there is no question mark over his integrity you clown.

 

[TheSooner]

He didn't promote his son. Leigh Matthews did and you would be happy to know that he has withdrawn himself from the match committee, surely meaning there is no question mark over his integrity you clown.

1. Gubby Allan is Director of Football. Ultimately he has to take responsibility for the quality of the list. At Collingwood FC it was Barham who took the bullett. The same appears to have happened at Brisbane with Beatson.

2. According to reports Baird only returned to Victoria after the Lions mucked about offering him a spot, finally favouring Allan. Either way there were better players available in the draft than Marcus Allan if they would looking to add a player to the list

3. I saw M.Allan play in Victoria 3-4 times in 2004 and 2003. He was/is a stock standard goer. Good heart, but lacks class, size and speed. He will provide no long term value to the Brisbane midfield.

4. I am not comapring anything to Carltons list predicaments. However I am an independent observer with an opinion on Gubby Allan. IMO he is very lucky he has been able to ride the coat tails of a very talented Coach and Manager - L. Matthews.

 

[tapestry]

1. Gubby Allan is Director of Football. Ultimately he has to take responsibility for the quality of the list. At Collingwood FC it was Barham who took the bullett. The same appears to have happened at Brisbane with Beatson.

2. According to reports Baird only returned to Victoria after the Lions mucked about offering him a spot, finally favouring Allan. Either way there were better players available in the draft than Marcus Allan if they would looking to add a player to the list

3. I saw M.Allan play in Victoria 3-4 times in 2004 and 2003. He was/is a stock standard goer. Good heart, but lacks class, size and speed. He will provide no long term value to the Brisbane midfield.

4. I am not comapring anything to Carltons list predicaments. However I am an independent observer with an opinion on Gubby Allan. IMO he is very lucky he has been able to ride the coat tails of a very talented Coach and Manager - L. Matthews.

1. WRONG. Leigh Matthews is Driector of Football and Senior Coach. G. Allan is only the Football Manager.

2. Baird was (along with 3 others) offered a 2nd year Rookie spot. He turned it down last minute. This was a week after Allan was elevated so nothing to do with that.

3. Allan is a hard worker with a committment to his fitness and game that we could only wish most of our list had. Always a bonus.

4. Considering L Matthews has himself and Allan as a package deal, I wouldn't call it riding the coat tails. If Leigh believes in him there must be something to it.

 

[tapestry]

It's fine to have an opinion and the world would be a frickin boring place is everyone always agreed, but it's not fine to bag the bloke based on misinformation and incorrect assumptions.

 

[TheSooner]

1. WRONG. Leigh Matthews is Driector of Football and Senior Coach. G. Allan is only the Football Manager.

2. Baird was (along with 3 others) offered a 2nd year Rookie spot. He turned it down last minute. This was a week after Allan was elevated so nothing to do with that.

3. Allan is a hard worker with a committment to his fitness and game that we could only wish most of our list had. Always a bonus.

4. Considering L Matthews has himself and Allan as a package deal, I wouldn't call it riding the coat tails. If Leigh believes in him there must be something to it.

1. Ok, so who takes responsibility for the list?The recruiting manager generally reports to the football manager.

2. So are you saying Allan was elevated over Baird?

3. Doesn't mean he is good enough. Certainly not as good as Baird. In fact I know they are different types, but why promote Baird for a senior game if they rated Allan higher?

4. Makes him a very highly paid Personal Assitant.

 

[tapestry]

Baird was elevated on his form at the time over Allan's form at the time. Baird didn't deliver what was expected and Allan performed better than expected after that. Infact I'd go so far as saying Baird showed signs of resting on his laurels after his first senior game, and this includes his performance back in the reserves, where as Allan kept improving.

It's no big conspiracy.

 

[tapestry]

4. Makes him a very highly paid Personal Assitant.

Haha, I'd love to be a fly on the wall if you ever decided to say that to his face!! He's a scary looking dude at the best of times. ********ing him off would be a sight to see I reckon.

If by 'list management' you mean:

Dealing with player managers
Neogiating contracts
Getting all the I's dotted and T's crossed on all the paperwork
Submitting all the correct things on time to the AFL
Monitoring Salary Cap amounts
etc etc plus a few hundred other things relating directly to the list before getting to the administration side of the football department.

Then you'd be right. That's what he does.


If by 'list management' you mean:

Chosing who is on and off the list and negotiating contracts accordingly.

Then you'd be wrong. That's what a football committee or subcomittee are for headed by the Director of Football, in this case Leigh Matthews.

 

[boof]

Haha, f*ck I'd love to be a fly on the wall if you ever decided to say that to his face!! He's a scary looking dude at the best of times. ********ing him off would be a sight to see I reckon.

If by 'list management' you mean:

Dealing with player managers
Neogiating contracts
Getting all the I's dotted and T's crossed on all the paperwork
Submitting all the correct things on time to the AFL
Monitoring Salary Cap amounts
etc etc plus a few hundred other things relating directly to the list before getting to the administration side of the football department.

Then you'd be right. That's what he does.


If by 'list management' you mean:

Chosing who is on and off the list and negotiating contracts accordingly.

Then you'd be wrong. That's what a football committee or subcomittee are for headed by the Director of Football, in this case Leigh Matthews.

Just ask the Essendon runner from the 1990 Grand Final. The scum little runner, who previously worked at Collingwood, said he deserved it when Gavin Brown was lying on the ground knocked out. Gubby promptly turned around and belted the little ferret in the face. Classic Moment.
And all this criticism about Brisbane's list management: he was there when they won 3 flags. What more can you ask for.

 

[TheSooner]

Haha, f*ck I'd love to be a fly on the wall if you ever decided to say that to his face!! He's a scary looking dude at the best of times. ********ing him off would be a sight to see I reckon.

If by 'list management' you mean:

Dealing with player managers
Neogiating contracts
Getting all the I's dotted and T's crossed on all the paperwork
Submitting all the correct things on time to the AFL
Monitoring Salary Cap amounts
etc etc plus a few hundred other things relating directly to the list before getting to the administration side of the football department.

Then you'd be right. That's what he does.


If by 'list management' you mean:

Chosing who is on and off the list and negotiating contracts accordingly.

Then you'd be wrong. That's what a football committee or subcomittee are for headed by the Director of Football, in this case Leigh Matthews.

I don't think he'd be happy with your description either. You make him sound like a mid level Finance and Admin Officer.

If Lions fans think he is doing a good job who I am to complain.

The decision on Marcus Allan being promoted to the senior list will be judged in time. For me Marcus Allan = Ryan Pagan.

 

[TheSooner]

And all this criticism about Brisbane's list management: he was there when they won 3 flags. What more can you ask for.

The list was built by Scott Clayton and Kinnear Beatson, and Leigh is a brilliant coach.

 

[troppo]

One day a player who has been delisted or let go by Lethal and his team(including Gubby) will embarass the Lions by doing well at his new club BUT it hasn't happened yet. I am happy to go with whatever they decide.

 

[irel]

Before anyone shoots their mouth off in regards to Baird they better get their facts correct. Baird's exit was mismanaged. He should never have been let go. Read here, http://69.93.149.226/users5/vlsg/index.cgi?board=Bris&action=display&num=1133169637&start=0
As far as Gubby goes I for one think his time is up with the Brisbane Lions.
Unfortunately Leigh protects him because they come as a package. However, it appears that other "sacrificial lambs" will take the heat and focus off Gubby’s role and position within the club.

 

[Eagle Eye]

Forsyth could have been delisted and Baird elevated along with Allan and Drummond.

Baird was keen on staying with the Lions and would have had they offered him a senior berth. In fact he was told the Friday before McLaren signed with Carlton then he would be elevated. However the week after this occured a change of mind has taken place and Allen was elevated instead..

The Lions took a gamble for some reason that Travis was prepared to stay on the rookie list. They assumed for personal reasons he would stay in Brisbane and therefore felt they had the whip hand in negotiations. Apparently the Lions were extremely displeased when he opted not to do so. The Lions recruiting staff felt that he "owed them" and were quite miffed that he didn't appreciate all their efforts and stay on the rookie list.

Surely the admin. knew that Baird was fielding offers from other clubs. I knew Sydney and Collingwood were keen before Baird left, but apparently the Bulldogs were circling as well.

The Lions might well have a different official story as to why Baird departed. However my source for the above is pretty good.

Apparently the Lions will also be looking for a 50+ gamer to boost their playing stocks in the PSD. Another reason why Baird was only offered a rookie place.

In the end the choice came down to either Baird or Patful[/I].

This is so close to the truth, it must be from someone on the "inside".

Baird had every right to reject another Rookie listing, given that other clubs were prepared to offer a senior spot and the Lions were playing games. It seems like the Lions tried to be "clever" and were outsmarted.

Realistically there is little loyalty anymore from clubs and the way Forsyth was treated does not suggest that the Lions are any different. To delist the guy after the National Draft is very disappointing regardless of the situation. It was so soon after the draft that the heirachy must have had this on their mind before Saturday, if he was told a few weeks ago he could have nominated. Now at best someone might rookie him, I hope the Lions spend some money on "outplacement counselling" for the kid.

Congratulations to Baird for having the "guts" to stand up and take the risk in the draft - I hope he proves the decision to be the right one.

 

[tapestry]

I dunno know about that. For starters Baird met fell in love with and got engaged to Daniel Pratt's sister. And she's be wanting to go to Melbourne for yonks. So it was always on the cards.

As for Forsyth, he would have to have known about it and in part sort of agreed to it because he was only 1 year into a 2 year contract. He then nominates for the PSD and either outprices himself with his nominated payment and stays at the Lions in some capacity, or get's picked up by another club. Im pretty sure that the deal would be a 'don't get picked up you can rookie with us' type thing. Which given his injury worries could be a good thing. Another year to prove himself here and try and stay injury free without taking up a senior list position.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Realistically there is little loyalty anymore from clubs and the way Forsyth was treated does not suggest that the Lions are any different. To delist the guy after the National Draft is very disappointing regardless of the situation. It was so soon after the draft that the heirachy must have had this on their mind before Saturday, if he was told a few weeks ago he could have nominated. Now at best someone might rookie him, I hope the Lions spend some money on "outplacement counselling" for the kid.

Forsyth is still reportedly training with us so he hasn't been abandoned. And it would likely have been a decision that Forsyth has agreed to. It appears most likely he'll be rookie listed by us. I'd say the plan was to not delist him before the national draft to cut down the likelihood of him being picked up by someone else. We do run that risk with the rookie draft. But I suppose it's a reflection of our concern with his on-going osteits pubis problems that have led to this step being made.

And for those interested it appears you can delist a player after only one year, as long as you pay out the remainder of his contract.

All I can say on the Baird saga is that said poster quoted by EagleEye is pretty close to the source of the story.

The decision to elevate Allan will always have the stains of nepotism on it to some people. I'm willing to give the kid a chance. But does he really have more potential than Logan or Ryswyk did?

 

[OldLion]

One day a player who has been delisted or let go by Lethal and his team(including Gubby) will embarass the Lions by doing well at his new club BUT it hasn't happened yet. I am happy to go with whatever they decide.

Craig Bolton would be handy - but we probably couldn't afford him.

 

[tapestry]

The decision to elevate Allan will always have the stains of nepotism on it to some people. I'm willing to give the kid a chance. But does he really have more potential than Logan or Ryswyk did?

I agree that there is no way people (especially those always looking for something to complain about) will see Marcus's elevation as anything other than nepotism. That's there loss.

Ryswyk: Yeah I'd say imo probably more talent, better work ethic and a more nuggetty/tough streak/phsyical ability.

Logan: Probably not. Close to even though in my books. The thing that might have tipped Allan over the scales is there is no 'go home' factor involved and it might have been cheaper to elevate him than to re-sign Logan.

 

[tapestry]

Craig Bolton would be handy - but we probably couldn't afford him.

I reckon we'd be flat out affording the fat kid wearing number 64 for the local under 12's division 5. Seriously with the winding back of the cap allowance things must be freaking tight these days!

 

[campbell]

I reckon we'd be flat out affording the fat kid wearing number 64 for the local under 12's division 5. Seriously with the winding back of the cap allowance things must be freaking tight these days!

So, someone on our list is making a motza and a half.We have Leppa and Vossy on 1/2in cap due to Veterans.

 

[Rawhead]

Power perhaps.

 

[TheSooner]

Logan: Probably not. Close to even though in my books. The thing that might have tipped Allan over the scales is there is no 'go home' factor involved and it might have been cheaper to elevate him than to re-sign Logan.

What to Darwin?