Gumbleton, Reimers and McVeigh re-sign

[bombre-boy]

So have I go this right?

We are apparently doing a football department "review" presumably commencing in 3 days, yet prior to this alleged review we sign a guy who is turning 30 in January for not one, but two years after hardly an inspiring season.

hmmm.

This ^^^^^

I would hope we have a cunning plan....but it certainly is not apparent..

 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

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Hille is 6 months older than spike, and surely to god is he on more than spike. So shouldnt this be done with Hille, back ended in 2012?

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You have it the wrong way around.

Hille is 6 months younger than McVeigh. Or 5 months really.

Hille DOB: 2/6/1981
McVeigh DOB: 26/1/1981

 

[HurleyLegend]

Great to sign up Gumby. Is one of our most important assets at the club.

McVeigh not uphappy with. Will be a veteran in a year so won't even be taking a spot on the list in his second year.

Reimers i'm not the biggest fan of but deserved another contract

 

[Daytripper]

I thought you could only have a max of 2 on the veterans at any one time?

Fletcher obviously aint going anywhere, unless there is a farewell we dont know about this week.

Hille is 6 months older than spike, and surely to god is he on more than spike. So shouldnt this be done with Hille, back ended in 2012?

Surely the club isnt pre-empting a final year for Fletcher next year, as nothing would surprise me with that bloke.

I'd say they are pre-empting next year to be Fletch's final year. He will be 36 after all. Any reasonable plan would have it that it was more likely that he would not be there in 2012 than be there, so therefore you have to plan for the 'more likely'.

Don't quote me on this but I'm pretty sure the actual player contracts are presented to the AFL at the end of the season. So whilst the club will have a reasonable idea who will be front ended and back ended, it is not necassarily offical. I would think Hille and Spike would be on generally the same amount of coin give or take 50K.

This 2 year deal spells doom for Welsh post 2011 unless he has a ripping season next year. I just can't see the club carrying him on the full salary cap.

In any event my point was, if there was this "review", why couldnt the signing wait until next week? where is the fire? Does trade week start on Sunday?

No idea - Spike may be going on holidays for all we know.

 

[Smokin]

You have it the wrong way around.

Hille is 6 months younger than McVeigh. Or 5 months really.

Hille DOB: 2/6/1981
McVeigh DOB: 26/1/1981

Yep, wrong way around but still both would be eligible in 2012. Fletcher is a somewhat realistic chance to be there too after next season, isnt he?.

 

[Smokin]

No idea - Spike may be going on holidays for all we know.

Yea, nah.

His manager too, just happens to be going on holidays?

They obviously agreed terms, if there was a "review", and all these people really did have these pressing holidays, then spike can sign the deal and have it rubber stamped by the club, assuming the review goes to plan next week? You know you dont have to be in the same room when 2 parties sign a contract, dont even have to sign on the same day. You can even be on the other side of the world.

There is no real review next week, is there?

 

[Smokin]

so therefore you have to plan for the 'more likely'.

Id argue it's "more likely" that Fletcher would offer more in 2012, than McVeigh, TBH.

But it's all irrelevant.

I think it's "most likely" that the bulk of the team in charge next season (at least) have already ticked off McVeigh as a required player.

 

[Daytripper]

Id argue it's "more likely" that Fletcher would offer more in 2012, than McVeigh, TBH.

Come on Smokin.

There is way more chance of Fletch not being there in 2012 than of being there. Form can disappear really quickly once you get older as we saw with Scotty and to a lesser extent Lloyd.

I wouldn't want our footy ops team planning our veterans list capabilities for 2012 on the proviso that Fletcher will still be around.

And to put it perspective - can you imagine the outcry if we signed Fletch to a 2 year deal now which is basically what you are saying we should do.

 

[Smokin]

Come on Smokin.

There is way more chance of Fletch not being there in 2012 than of being there. Form can disappear really quickly once you get older as we saw with Scotty and to a lesser extent Lloyd.

I wouldn't want our footy ops team planning our veterans list capabilities for 2012 on the proviso that Fletcher will still be around.

And to put it perspective - can you imagine the outcry if we signed Fletch to a 2 year deal now which is basically what you are saying we should do.

LOL your missing the point. Sure you can argue one way or the other, Id still go with Fletcher as although older, is a lot more valuable right now. I think McVeigh will slow down at a faster rate. He is already struggling to kick 50m.

But who cares, the point is why is such a big decision being made (ie 2 years down the track veteran rules - we are talking the makeup of our 2012 list!), when apparently we are told that there is goinig to be this great big review of all things football after this season blah blah blah??

It absolutely makes no sense at all. There is no rush for this decision.

It's clearer to me, anyway, that this review is big smokescreen by the club.

 

[Brent Prismall#9]

Come on Smokin.

There is way more chance of Fletch not being there in 2012 than of being there. Form can disappear really quickly once you get older as we saw with Scotty and to a lesser extent Lloyd.

I wouldn't want our footy ops team planning our veterans list capabilities for 2012 on the proviso that Fletcher will still be around.

And to put it perspective - can you imagine the outcry if we signed Fletch to a 2 year deal now which is basically what you are saying we should do.

Brad Johnson anyone? If you asked doggies supporters last year how much longer Brad would go around they would've said at least another two years. Unfortunately because of form and injures it looks like this could be his last.

I'm not saying I want this to happen to Fletch but its too well known that footy can catch up on you very quickly especially when you're at the rip age of 36. With that said god i hope Fletch has another awesome year next year and finishes on top

 

[Daytripper]

LOL your missing the point. Sure you can argue one way or the other, Id still go with Fletcher as although older, is a lot more valuable right now. I think McVeigh will slow down at a faster rate. He is already struggling to kick 50m.

But who cares, the point is why is such a big decision being made (ie 2 years down the track veteran rules - we are talking the makeup of our 2012 list!), when apparently we are told that there is goinig to be this great big review of all things football after this season blah blah blah??

We are talking about a person's livelihood here - decisions cannot be put off whilst a club undergoes a review.

What if Spike wanted to buy a house that was coming up for auction and everything was dependant on his next contract. Or he may have needed proof of future income to get a loan for a business.

There are a myriad of reasons out there why he was signed now.

Not everything is black and white mate.

 

[Smokin]

lmao ok

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Our situation is quite comical. Having to pay 92.5% of the cap means guys like McVeigh and Welsh are earning about the same amount of coin as someone like Jimmy Bartel.

Strange world we live in.

 

[Daytripper]

Our situation is quite comical. Having to pay 92.5% of the cap means guys like McVeigh and Welsh are earning about the same amount of coin as someone like Jimmy Bartel.

Strange world we live in.

I agree.

 

[Towno78]

- I'd have given Gumby 3, but maybe 2 is ok given his history. Great to have him locked away
- Agree with most suggesting McVeigh should've be given 1 year.
- Reimers would have been first on my list of tradebait, but oh well, hope he finally does something meaningful with his obvious talent.

I mentioned this on the main board but the reason he would have gotten a 2 year deal was to put him on the veterans list in Year 2, back end his contract and then bingo - the space is created.

Other than Hille I don't think we will have anyone eligible once Fletcher retires (i'm assuming Welsh will be gone post 2011). Clubs should be using their veterans list if they're smart as it frees up monies for other players.

McVeigh is eligible for the veteran's list next year... Although you'd think Hille is on more coin, so Hille probably joins Fletcher next year, whilst McVeigh goes on in 2012.
But its not really important anyway, as the AFL amended the rules so that back-ended contracts offer no advantage on the veteran's list. If McVeigh were placed on the veteran's list in 2012, the average yearly salary for his two year contract would be the amount that is discounted 50%, rather than his salary of that year.

 

[stander]

Our situation is quite comical. Having to pay 92.5% of the cap means guys like McVeigh and Welsh are earning about the same amount of coin as someone like Jimmy Bartel.

Strange world we live in.

What's so strange, we can't have an elite team like EFC playing Doutta Stars or Marby Park, can we?

 

[The House]

Pretty sure Henry Slattery resigned for a couple of seasons a few weeks back

Oh thank god....i was getting worried there for a while.

 

[The Donners]

What's so strange, we can't have an elite team like EFC playing Doutta Stars or Marby Park, can we?

That way we might get a win!

 

[Slattery_20]

It's almost like they think someone who won't have any senior players will make an offer for him when free agency comes in year after next.
But lucky there's never been any rumours about him moving back to his home state & it's doubly lucky his old coach isn't going to be coaching a side up there in 2012.

 

[The House]

Realistically he offers more value as a bp than anyone on our list by a fair way, and has had a pretty decent year when played back.

Like certain other small defenders, we should be sure to keep him within his capabilities and limit his time up the ground, and probably leave the kick ins to someone elso also.

But as a bp he is much more deserving of 2 years than any other bp on our list.

 

[Slattery_20]

Our situation is quite comical. Having to pay 92.5% of the cap means guys like McVeigh and Welsh are earning about the same amount of coin as someone like Jimmy Bartel.

Strange world we live in.

Staker earns more than Gary Ablett.

That'll learn him to sign a 5 year deal!!!

 

[Jaymin]

For those saying that McVeigh has had a poor year, i'd love to see how many goals his opponents have kicked this season. He has been asked to play the small lockdown defender and I can't recall any small defender kicking a bag of goals on him.

Yes, he has turned the ball over a bit of late but who hasn't.

Think people are being a tad harsh on his year.

 

[Slattery_20]

People on here never complain when a small forward kicks goals!

Killed Milne twice. Killed Medhurst & Betts. Beat just about eveyrone he was on.

I dunno if his legs will hold up for another two years tho.

 

[bombersaway]

im glad spike was resigned agree with most prob should have gone one at a time,

am i on my own here or has fletch already signed???

i heard he had been offered 2 years also!!! i thought he'd already signed but now im just confused

 

[whats_at_stake]

I hope Fletcher retires-we need to start blooding Slattery, Danniher etc. and teach the defense to play accounatble foot without Fletch there.