But what if we have to use all three on one player under the new academy rules. Does that mean we have to go out and get another couple of picks to get the whole three player turnover thing the AFL requires.
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But what if we have to use all three on one player under the new academy rules. Does that mean we have to go out and get another couple of picks to get the whole three player turnover thing the AFL requires.
It'd be great to have a bit of speed around the packs at the Pies. Freeman has an uphill battle but will be up there for us once he is up. Someone with 5 years development to compliment him would be great for us. Obviously at GWS you guys have your balance right and he'd be a good depth player. Varcoe is renowned for his tackling and always is hanging outside packs but his speed is lacking. It'd be awesome to have that type of player. Is he an aggressive type player too?
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Unsure of his aggression. Just know that genuine speed and good ball use is his weapons
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You have to use three picks at the draft. With the new academy bidding, if we use our rounds 1, 2 and 3 picks for Hopper (hypothetically), then we have to use rounds 4 and 5 picks to get another two players and/or upgrade rookies. If we use Rounds 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 to get Hopper and Kennedy, then we have to use our round 6 pick to get another player. Basically you have as many picks as you have spots, and if you use the early ones for academy players then more just keep getting added later in the draft in the appropriate draft slots until you've used at least three.
These are the ones stuck in the twos that IMO you could get for them wanting to move, a can of coke and a pack of chips.
Liam Sumner - speedy winger type
Curtly Hampton - can do things with a football man was not meant to do. Both the good way and the bad way.
Andrew Phillips/Tom Downie - developing ruckmen
You asked for 'potentially really good players', so Dylan Shiel and Stephen Coniglio - who are really good players now - who have so far declined to sign contract extentions are out. Bring serious-sized cheques for their personal terms.
Always enjoyed Cal Twomey's articles on U/18s.
Noticed this year he is starting to write articles about our zoning, elite talent pool etc which paints us in a different light to GCS. Obviously we are tracking better, but I'm starting to see some strong bias against the Giants. And I am a very neutral observer in these sorts of things. I think he is very cleverly manipulating the public and potentially the AFL (unless he is being prodded by someone).
He continues to push Kennedy as a top 10 pick on the open market, yet he hardly features to other club's recruiters until 3-4th round. He says Hopper is top 1-5 where other recruiters say more around 8-15. He recently made a big deal about Jock Cornell who again will be a very late/rookie pick.
Anyone else think he has a hidden agenda or being pushed by someone upstairs? Whoever has the agenda, he is doing it well.
Noticed this year he is starting to write articles about our zoning, elite talent pool etc which paints us in a different light to GCS. Obviously we are tracking better, but I'm starting to see some strong bias against the Giants. And I am a very neutral observer in these sorts of things. I think he is very cleverly manipulating the public and potentially the AFL (unless he is being prodded by someone).
He continues to push Kennedy as a top 10 pick on the open market, yet he hardly features to other club's recruiters until 3-4th round. He says Hopper is top 1-5 where other recruiters say more around 8-15. He recently made a big deal about Jock Cornell who again will be a very late/rookie pick.
Anyone else think he has a hidden agenda or being pushed by someone upstairs? Whoever has the agenda, he is doing it well.
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Can't help but agree. Overvaluing draft picks and feeding selective info to the media has been a sneaky game played by recruiters for years.
If SOS was still in charge I would have full faith in how we go about it. Just hope the new guy has the same vision.
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Assuming you guys saw/ are referring to today's Cal Twomey article. In general I agree with you thought about his tenor so far this season. Lots of chat about Academy players (Mills and Keays also getting bulk column inches)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-05-28/raiding-the-lost-and-injured-giants
I'm not sure there is any inherent anti-Giant bias in that article but it really does give you an indication of how much talent we have waiting in the wings. I would imagine of that list they'll be looking to move on at least half of those guys in the next 2 years (Marchbank, Steele, Pickett, Ahern certainties to stick around).
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-05-28/raiding-the-lost-and-injured-giants
I'm not sure there is any inherent anti-Giant bias in that article but it really does give you an indication of how much talent we have waiting in the wings. I would imagine of that list they'll be looking to move on at least half of those guys in the next 2 years (Marchbank, Steele, Pickett, Ahern certainties to stick around).
Give this junk a read.....
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-05-28/raiding-the-lost-and-injured-giants
might give you something to look at. Just note the contract status' of the players mentioned tho
Its appealing to the melb audience that winge and moan about draft picks and concessions.... its rubbish but it won't be the last time we see this type of article
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Love how supposedly the real clubs want their kids to come home.
Yet now we are trying to develop our own in the academies and they hammer us with the cost on that. Cant bloody win with the mexicans.
Yet now we are trying to develop our own in the academies and they hammer us with the cost on that. Cant bloody win with the mexicans.
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I don't think the real clubs are the ones hammering you guys with the cost.
It's not just that article this morning. It's been all season. All I'm saying is there is a concerted push to let everyone know about our talent on-list (which is fine, because it is what it is) and talent in the academies. The talent in the academies are being grossly over-rated (which is my concern), which has helped fuel the fire about academies.
Twomey and Quayle are the 2 expert reporters on junior footy and Twomey has flogged our academy players (articles and podcasts) while Quayle has barely given them a mention.
It will be interesting with the new points system to see how other clubs now bid on players especially if they are actually top 10 picks. There won't be as much bluffing going on anymore I believe.
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I'm sure ill have board participants jump down my throat for this particular opinion, and I'll disclaim this by saying that I love a number of the players on that list but the fact remains that we just don't have space, when healthy for all of these guys to stick around. Assuming we re-sign the big 4 at or before the end of this year, it'd be unfair to expect a lot of these guys to hang around as depth players.
Patton gets his spot back for Stewart (although I'm really not sure who pinch hits in the ruck then - Please god not Patton) Tomlinson will come back in for someone - he's too good not to, but looking down the list you aren't going to drop one of Treloar, Shiel, Ward, Griffen, Smith, Coniglio or Greene for Steele (yet), you aren't going to drop Kelly, Whitfield, Scully, Hoskin-Elliott or Palmer for Pickett or Ahern (yet), I cant see Davis, Haynes, Shaw or Patfull being dropped, although the fight for the final few back 6 spots will be interesting with Corr, Buntine, Hampton, Marchbank, Kennedy, Plowman, Williams and Wilson vying for what is one or two spots.
Whats worse for those guys is that the players they need to usurp to get into the team aren't yet 25 (save for Patfull, Shaw and Griffen). And injuries will and do happen, and those guys will get their chance.
Yes I think it's ridiculous to suggest that the draftees will leave any time soon - you don't draft those players without some plan in mind (and going the Tom Boyd, one-and-done route is certainly not the plan) - but I'm interested to know where they fit long term?
Patton gets his spot back for Stewart (although I'm really not sure who pinch hits in the ruck then - Please god not Patton) Tomlinson will come back in for someone - he's too good not to, but looking down the list you aren't going to drop one of Treloar, Shiel, Ward, Griffen, Smith, Coniglio or Greene for Steele (yet), you aren't going to drop Kelly, Whitfield, Scully, Hoskin-Elliott or Palmer for Pickett or Ahern (yet), I cant see Davis, Haynes, Shaw or Patfull being dropped, although the fight for the final few back 6 spots will be interesting with Corr, Buntine, Hampton, Marchbank, Kennedy, Plowman, Williams and Wilson vying for what is one or two spots.
Whats worse for those guys is that the players they need to usurp to get into the team aren't yet 25 (save for Patfull, Shaw and Griffen). And injuries will and do happen, and those guys will get their chance.
Yes I think it's ridiculous to suggest that the draftees will leave any time soon - you don't draft those players without some plan in mind (and going the Tom Boyd, one-and-done route is certainly not the plan) - but I'm interested to know where they fit long term?
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Basically keep the best we can and trade the rest.
Id say thats the plan. Its a good plan and one which could keep us at the top of the pile for quite a while if handled right.
I agree with you. And when the AFL dealt us these picks, they knew we couldn't retain them all. We knew we couldn't retain them all. It'd be nice! But you can hardly blame the kids wanting more game time on the big stage and for probably more money.
What it does do is allow us to trade for quality players and/or draft picks. What this means, is we have long-term success with quality continually coming in (sure some draft picks are fizzers) which is key to building a strong following in Sydney and beyond. It will also see our salary cap eventually even out to a "normal distribution".
The one thing holding the uncontracted boys from leaving is seeing us on the rise after the hard years and then leaving to a club that is in its own rebuild (Carlton, St Kilda, Melbourne, Footscray, Richmond?) and then watch their ex-team mates dominate. That will be hard. Unless they're on 100-200k more a year than Giants offered..
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On a related, but also mostly unrelated note, Dimma, speaking about Rance, just came out and advocated for the AFL to adopt NFL anti-tampering rules, which prevents clubs from contacting players that are under contract until the end of the league year. Penalties that have been levied include pretty big fines (not so useful in the AFL given half the clubs are financially propped up by the league - fines would be probably be cash that came from the AFL in first place) and draft picks.
Could not agree more with him.
Could not agree more with him.
Whenever you have agents covering multiple players at multiple clubs, even without any direct contact, they'll have a pretty damn good idea of who needs who and has what space in their salary cap.
Remember, the Boyd deal wasnt masterminded by the Doggies.
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The NFL rule is a ban about public comments by clubs (including pretty much all club officials), as well as all forms of formal communication between clubs and soon-to-be-uncontracted players or their representatives.
Obviously its the players prerogative to have those conversations with his agent, and its absolutely not perfect - there are ways around the rule - but I think something has to be done to stop all this "Dylan Shiel had a coffee with Carlton, likely to sign" bull****.
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Will never stop. They want our players and jelousy/hate of our club runs rampant in them
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Unlikely that you'll have anyone jump down your throat. We've always been pretty blase about depth players leaving because they can't get a gig and we generally wish them well. Go back and look at our responses to the likes of Giles, Whiley, Jaksch and so on wanting out before tarring everyone with that brush, which I think is very unfair of you to do so.
It's the opposition supporter comments on club poaching of our best 22 players that get people's backs up because it's just so constant and monotonous, so it's nice to have the GWS board as one small oasis where they can be told to GTFO.
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Pretty sure the AFL put in place, not the clubs.
