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Play Nice Héritier Lumumba blasts Collingwood's racist treatment of him during his career (Civil discussion please)
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Nicky Winmar and Robbie Muir carried out some dog acts too but we would be called racist if we were to point this out or racism would be the excuse provided to defend their "dog" acts. I have no doubt those blokes were subjected to racist crap back in the dark old days but being black doesn't mean you can't be a bad bloke or a tosser. It seems skin colour grants some people immunity from any kind of criticism.
Who is we?
What utter nonsense. One person said women were marginalized. I didn't say men were marginalized. I simply provided a list of facts which show they suffer disproportionately from far more societal ills than women do. This is an indisputable fact. You can throw around pejoratives all night long. Why do people immediately want to brand someone who presents an opposing voice instead of calmly responding to their arguments?
On what ground do you make you claim that to be a man in 2020 and throughout history is easier than being a woman? Which men? Which women? Are the women who pack the nail salons in our shopping malls during a work day doing it tougher than the homeless man sleeping on the streets of Collingwood in winter? Is the wealthy male banker doing it tougher than the drug addicted female prostitute? Both genders carry burdens unique to their gender and some are shared. As we speak tens of thousands of boys and men are being forced into slavery on Thailand fishing fleets. They are flogged, chained and beheaded if they refuse to work or attempt to escape. I am talking 2020. There are also young girls forced into arranged marriages and used a sex slaves.
Who has it worse? I can't pick.
I was noting with interest that one of the justifications for the radical behavior and rage of BLM is the disproportionate number of blacks in prison and the sentencing gap between blacks and whites. Okay. What if I said men are disproportionately (horrendously so-94% represented in our prison system) when compared to women. Does that mean men are oppressed? Did you know that the black/white sentencing gap is 10%? The man/woman sentencing gap is 63%. It only underlines my point. Nobody gives a stuff about men. it's not even a discussion at the table. Men are twice as likely to be jailed as a woman for alike for like crime. Are we oppressed? If we are consistent then the answer must be yes.
The people on this forum.
So now Buckley is a racist? What are you talking about?
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Can't speak for anyone else but my biggest annoyance is self-absorbed stactivists that see #BLM as another platform to make it all about them. Most people in that boat are white women under 30, but white men aren't far behind. But it's not an exclusively white phenomenon. The main reason race issues are getting an extended run in US sports discussions currently is there is no sport to talk about. If the NBA was back and the MLB had kicked off people would be talking about that.
I don't necessarily agree with Colin Kaepernick's chosen protest (anything flag/anthem related drives Americans nuts - so you can argue that either makes it very effective or counterproductive) but he was at least willing to stand up for what he believed in through the means he thought was most effective and it has ultimately ended his playing career. Most #BLM ers will just post a meme about of him with the right combination of words to maximise 'likes' then go back to their privileged lives.
The fact that H has popped up in the last week (he hasn't played for 4 years, his doco was 2 years ago) and managed to draw attention to himself does not surprise me in the least. Like any person he is more than just his skin colour. He's also a millennial who had a privileged upbringing (he grew up in Perth and went to a top 3 public school in the state FFS, he's not Jimmy Butler) and has form for chasing the media spotlight.
Some people don't like Heritier Lumumba. And they don't like being told that if you don't like him then you are racist. There are plenty of outspoken anti-racism campaigners in the AFL. No one expects Eddie Bettts to kick bananas (no racist) from the pocket and Nic Naitanui to take hangers and then shut the **** up and answer 'yes sir, no sir' when spoken to.
Does anyone think the AFL isn't trying to promote multiculturalism and stamp out racism? They like being woke almost as much as they like counting their millions.
Meanwhile H says: "Australian football culture is a white culture,” says Lumumba in the documentary. “And nothing taught me that better than the Collingwood Football Club.”
It's not hard to see why he isn't well liked.
EFA, ignorance is intended, naivety is not. If that's the point you're trying to make? Unintentional?
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It’s just semantics isn’t it?
I don’t think ignorance is intended given the definition on google is
“lack of knowledge or information”
but weather it was intentional or non intentional is irrelevant because at the end of the day it was still offensive
He thinks he’s owed a formal apology and I tend to agree with him on this one
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Male or Female in Australia in 2020 is like elephant, lion... same
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I don't know Buckley from the next guy, but he's at least been around the country in his life growing up in the NT as a teenager, playing for Port in the SANFL, Ainslie in the ACTFL, then Brisbane and Collingwood in the AFL. He's probably played and worked with people from more backgrounds than most in the AFL system. But he's also a white male so who knows...
And what pray tell, gave rise to this "feeling?"
To suggest a man is more likely to do or be anything based upon the colour of his skin is undoubtedly racist. Imagine if I said, I'm not sure if Joe is into drugs but he is black, so who knows.... I wonder what would happen.
...oooor he is "an attention-seeking self-absorbed dickhead"
He was subjected to Australian-style non-malicious casual racism which in my experience was pretty ubiquitous in the 00s for males in their 20s and now he is characterising it like he was in the deep south of the US before the civil rights act
Actually intention should be the core of the issue, unintentionally being racist is an innocent mistake - it's not intentional. I'm not saying the playing group or certain individuals were or were not being intentional in using the nickname for the purposes of being racist.
This is part of the problem, if you go by the media, racism that is unintended makes you a bad person even though unintended. Purely being a white person or worse a white male you're automatically a bad person - regardless of your intent.
I find that totally abhorrent! And totally destructive to the cause of eradicating intended racism.
There are many who are very critical of innocent naive people because they're naive - immediately bad person because they aren't in a minority / oppressed group. Unintended.
IF collectively as a human race we are to eradicate racism be it intended or not, shit like grouping every white person as 'privileged' or 'racist' has to stop. Sure call out individuals or groups who intend it, educate those that don't intend. But don't go shit canning people collectively just coz they're naive or dumb but with best intentions.
Yes-the hatred shown to Michael Long and Nicky Winmar when they spoke out was..was...non existent. That tired old line of people liking black players until they get "uppity' and speak their mind is arrant nonsense. Winmar and Long both spoke out in the strongest terms and were universally applauded for their stand. Perhaps Harry and Goodes received a different reception because of how people see them as human beings-not because of the tone of their skin. I think Winmar has a statue in his honour showing the famous moment he lifted his jumper and Michael Long has his annual walk to the G.
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Don’t get me wrong, I definitely get why he isn’t liked. His character is one thing, but I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for his claims because I don’t have evidence to say he lied because I wasn’t there. I don’t have evidence that the AFL/Collingwood/Eddie are guilty of what he accused either, so I think it’s better for me to empathise with Lumumba for how he felt (because I can at least confirm that he did feel racially vilified) and refrain from commenting on the AFL/Collingwood/Eddie accusations and treating them as innocent.
He clearly feels like there are some unresolved issues with the AFL/Collingwood on the topic of racism, and the BLM movement might have given him the energy to vent his frustrations that he didn’t have before.
I’m for the eradication of racism and I hope that we see a new time where black people and other minority races can walk around in their respective countries of residence without experiencing racial profiling and other intolerance just because they were born with a certain skin colour.
Oh, and I suspect that the BLM movement has been hijacked by some people with ulterior motives. The looting/stealing is one thing, but I also noticed that the movement is laced with other leftist agendas, which dilutes the focus on black lives.
Calling Eddie and all Collingwood supporters racist was just fine, but he lost you when he said Brazilians are racist?
Don't be so disingenuous. Goodes didn't do a dance. He ran at the opposition supporters in an aggressive manner and pretended to hurl a spear at them. He was angry and to this day he doesn't have the balls to own what he did and acknowledge that it was inappropriate. He gets a pass by camouflaging his stunt with a story about traditional indigenous dance (which was apparently created a few weeks earlier). He knows the truth. Watch the footage and tell me it was all an innocent tribute to his people.
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Ah yes the idea that because everyone goes through it, it's merely the status quo and challenging it is wrong. What a ridiculous concept. He was subjected to a dehumanising nickname for 8 years but it's ok because casual racism was "ubiquitous in the 00s for males in their 20s". He has every right to call this out and to try and shed light on his experience with racism in football. That doesn't make him "an attention-seeking self-absorbed dickhead" at all.
Also there is nothing "causal" about being criticised by the coach and treated differently for calling our racism.
Nothing is going to change if people stay silent and by speaking out he is trying to positively contribute to make a change.
