Recommitted Harry McKay [re-signed to 2023]

[FairKouta]

That's irrelevant and nothing to do with my original point anyway.

There's not a lot between them. McKay is certainly more athletic than the two, but Larkey certainly leaves him for a dead in a few categories.

As a poster said a few posts above, there's 4-5 young KPF's who average similar numbers, we aren't talking about Lance Franklin here.

Most people are saying they don't want him because of the draft cost, not because of how good he is, but because the media have blown smoke up his ass for the best part of 3 years now. Well above his output imo.

You said he was as good as larkey i said he was a level above. Then you said he has more IQ i said mckay does then you said numbers wise he is similar albiet mckay has better numbers but not by much. Then i asked you to choose and you changed the point to he’s not worth the draft capital and the media hyping him up.
My point was Mckay is a better player than larkey and a class above him.

 

[Pykie]

You said he was as good as larkey i said he was a level above. Then you said he has more IQ i said mckay does then you said numbers wise he is similar albiet mckay has better numbers but not by much. Then i asked you to choose and you changed the point to he’s not worth the draft capital and the media hyping him up.
My point was Mckay is a better player than larkey and a class above him.

No, I said, there isn't much between them, hence why I don't think he would present value as a trade target.

Yes, you have said McKay is better and a class above, but you can't quantify it, can you?

McKay has kicked a few more goals this year. Larkey kicked a few more goals last year.

Like I said, there's **** all between them and if McKay is a class above, it's only potential at the moment, certainly not reality.

 

[RAPPA]

None.

RAPPA took a swipe at Petracca so I defended him as a player. Believe it or not it is actually possible to pat your head and swirl your stomach with the other hand at the same time.

Let's break down what I said:


Ha! If McKay was traded, it will be JK all over again. Except the closest thing to Judd the Dees have, is Petracca. So unless Petraccca is on the table, move along - and if Petracca was on the table, I’d still say move along. Carlton’s forward line without McKay, and absent Curnow, is a horrendous prospect

Carlton trading McKay now would like it trading Josh Kennedy all over again - as in our last key forward prospect. If following that same historical trade, I've said Petracca is the equivalent Judd - the player that has the most value imo from the Dees. And I still wouldn't want to trade H for Petracca, not because I don't place value on Petracca, but because Carlton more so requires a key forward like H than another midfielder.

 

[FairKouta]

No, I said, there isn't much between them, hence why I don't think he would present value as a trade target.

Yes, you have said McKay is better and a class above, but you can't quantify it, can you?

McKay has kicked a few more goals this year. Larkey kicked a few more goals last year.

Like I said, there's fu** all between them and if McKay is a class above, it's only potential at the moment, certainly not reality.

I don’t agree i think mckay is a level above larkey. I would think this is the general consensus.

 

[Pykie]

I don’t agree i think mckay is a level above larkey. I would think this is the general consensus.

The "general consensus", i.e the opinion formed by media coverage.

Like I said, you can't quantify the level above, because it doesn't exist.

 

[FairKouta]

The "general consensus", i.e the opinion formed by media coverage.

Like I said, you can't quantify the level above, because it doesn't exist.

So your Metric is stats and that is absolute?
The general consensus to start would be most neutrals on big footy.

 

[Pykie]

So your Metric is stats and that is absolute?
The general consensus to start would be most neutrals on big footy.

What would you want for McKay if he requested a trade then?

 

[GatesOfHell]

Let's break down what I said:


Ha! If McKay was traded, it will be JK all over again. Except the closest thing to Judd the Dees have, is Petracca. So unless Petraccca is on the table, move along - and if Petracca was on the table, I’d still say move along. Carlton’s forward line without McKay, and absent Curnow, is a horrendous prospect

Carlton trading McKay now would like it trading Josh Kennedy all over again - as in our last key forward prospect. If following that same historical trade, I've said Petracca is the equivalent Judd - the player that has the most value imo from the Dees. And I still wouldn't want to trade H for Petracca, not because I don't place value on Petracca, but because Carlton more so requires a key forward like H than another midfielder.

Your FD would trade anyone on your list for Petracca. No questions asked. In a heartbeat.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

I’d give my kingdom for this fella. Assume it’s just bullshit talk?

 

[tipstar]

Let's break down what I said:


Ha! If McKay was traded, it will be JK all over again. Except the closest thing to Judd the Dees have, is Petracca. So unless Petraccca is on the table, move along - and if Petracca was on the table, I’d still say move along. Carlton’s forward line without McKay, and absent Curnow, is a horrendous prospect

Carlton trading McKay now would like it trading Josh Kennedy all over again - as in our last key forward prospect. If following that same historical trade, I've said Petracca is the equivalent Judd - the player that has the most value imo from the Dees. And I still wouldn't want to trade H for Petracca, not because I don't place value on Petracca, but because Carlton more so requires a key forward like H than another midfielder.

Yep totally agree, even H's number are better than JK's at time of the Judd trade, so anything less than Petracca is a NO....

 

[Foucault1989]

Of course you could argue it.

So McKay is faster, stronger, bigger, a better mark and now has a better footy IQ.

So why do they essentially get the same amount of ball and kick the same amount of goals?

Luck?

Been hearing for years how much better North's list and youth are in comparison to Carlton. Your unwavering support for your club is admirable. Optimism is a great virtue. There is no point arguing with you North supporters as no matter how bad things get for your club, you're always somehow better than Carlton.

 

[FairKouta]

What would you want for McKay if he requested a trade then?

Wouldn’t trade him we would be absolutely stupid too. If he asks to be traded i would ask for a player not a draft pick we aren’t the best at getting the draft picks right

 

[TheKITC]

I think this one is a bs rumour, but that aside...

Carlton would rightfully want a kings ransom for a player of McKay's ability, potential, age, size and contract status.

Think Tom Boyd trade as a baseline. The Doggies gave up pick 6 and their captain.

 

[GatesOfHell]

Wouldn’t trade him we would be absolutely stupid too. If he asks to be traded i would ask for a player not a draft pick we aren’t the best at getting the draft picks right

Would you entertain letssay:

Viney + R1 pick 2021 for McKay + R2 pick 2020

Viney is a very competent inside bull. 12th in comp for contested possessions this season. Fearless, former captain. If you want protection for Cripps inside moving forward look no further.

That’s a very fair trade IMO.

 

[FairKouta]

Would you entertain Viney for McKay? Let’s say:

Viney + R1 pick 2021 for McKay + R2 pick 2020

Viney is a very competent inside bull. 12th in comp for contested possessiona this season. If you want protection for Cripps moving forward look no further.

Viney is a Rfa and anything other than petracca is a no deal. Only because harry is important for us as a kpp we have no one else maybe charlie that is if his injuries allow it. So it would be a dumb move on our part

 

[GatesOfHell]

Viney is a Rfa and anything other than petracca is a no deal. Only because harry is important for us as a kpp we have no one else maybe charlie that is if his injuries allow it. So it would be a dumb move on our part

Youve got Casboult, Curnow and McGovern. You’re midfield is deficient. Cripps is copping a hammering.

 

[Bobmonkey]

Well reading this thread is 10 minutes of my life I'll never get back, thanks.

 

[TheKITC]

Would you entertain letssay:

Viney + R1 pick 2021 for McKay + R2 pick 2020

Viney is a very competent inside bull. 12th in comp for contested possessions this season. Fearless, former captain. If you want protection for Cripps inside moving forward look no further.

That’s a very fair trade IMO.

I know people like to have some fun on here with the hypothetical, but this would be so far away from reality it's scary.

- If Viney was willing to come to Carlton, we could get him for free as a FA.
- Why on Earth would Carlton return a 2nd rounder to Melb with our best KPF, who is contracted?
- Your first pick would likely be steak knives in any deal for McKay, not the main course.

Very, very far away from being realistic.

 

[TommyPinch]

I reckon people looking at this thread should look elsewhere. Nothing to see here. Check out the Peter Wright thread.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Youve got Casboult, Curnow and McGovern. You’re midfield is deficient. Cripps is copping a hammering.

And midfielders are easier to replace than key forwards... mcgov and casboult arent much chop they are just there to be bodies for Curnow and Mckay until they are ready to take over. Mcgov probs only playing because of a terrible contract.

Wouldnt trade him for anyone in the Dees other than Petracca

 

[GatesOfHell]

And midfielders are easier to replace than key forwards... mcgov and casboult arent much chop they are just there to be bodies for Curnow and Mckay until they are ready to take over. Mcgov probs only playing because of a terrible contract.

Wouldnt trade him for anyone in the Dees other than Petracca

Let’s see what happens in a few weeks. I think there’s a deal there to be done which can satisfy both parties.

 

[FairKouta]

Youve got Casboult, Curnow and McGovern. You’re midfield is deficient. Cripps is copping a hammering.

Casboult mcgovern you can have for viney curnow injury prone.

 

[Sinjin Smith]

Would you entertain letssay:

Viney + R1 pick 2021 for McKay + R2 pick 2020

Viney is a very competent inside bull. 12th in comp for contested possessions this season. Fearless, former captain. If you want protection for Cripps inside moving forward look no further.

That’s a very fair trade IMO.

No

 

[GatesOfHell]

No

Well, too bad. That’s probably along the lines of what it’s going to be.

 

[banzai]

How is this even a thread? If Carlton traded Mckay they may as well throw in Cripps and Walsh with him and shut the club down.