Hartung, Stewart and Willsmore(to be rookied, due to contract) all delisted

[beta_condition]

It really isn’t.

No it isn't but redrafting Willsmore is massively puzzling, along with Miles I don't understand why we would keep these list cloggers.

 

[Badesumofu]

Interesting to see these posts about Hartung. Makes you wonder. Figure there was something going on behind the scenes. Having said that it's not hard to see how the club might simply have determined that he wasn't worth holding on to.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Still think Miles can possibly make it. Has more footy smarts than many other fringe players - and what he lacks in size he doesn't have a problem sizing up to bigger players - was even doing it at AFL level.

 

[A Cut Above]

Surprised Hartung was de-listed. Can't say I ever rated him but surely he'd be more valuable to keep around as a depth player than say Henderson? Has to be another reason he was let go, attitude issues or something similar perhaps.

No issues with Willsmore or Stewart being given the chop. Schoenmakers is lucky he's tall.

 

[Pessimistic]

Surprised Hartung was de-listed. Can't say I ever rated him but surely he'd be more valuable to keep around as a depth player than say Henderson? Has to be another reason he was let go, attitude issues or something similar perhaps.

No issues with Willsmore or Stewart being given the chop. Schoenmakers is lucky he's tall.

I reckon schoenmakers is 'lucky' he gets given jobs and he just does them if truth be told

Talent in 2018 draft might mean a deeper cull next time round

 

[JedAnderson]

Can you elaborate?

Everyone knows he is a pain in the backside

 

[burger09]

Also puzzling why Willsmore was already contracted for 2018!

Hawks handing out 1 year contracts like boiled lollies, makes me think ....

A. 2018 will be a tread water, get another year into the young likely types

B. Mass changes for super draft/ free agency
post next season.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Everyone knows he is a pain in the backside

I wouldn't say everyone. Not all of us have an inkling of the behind the scenes happenings of the club.

 

[TheExtractorFactor]

My theory on Hartung: Out of contract and had been in the side most weeks since 2015. Would have been expecting a pretty good contract given this and we were unwilling to provide it to him. Manager asked around and other clubs(s) offered more money but weren't willing to give up anything because they knew we would cut him anyway and he will end up at one of them

 

[A Cut Above]

I reckon schoenmakers is 'lucky' he gets given jobs and he just does them if truth be told

Talent in 2018 draft might mean a deeper cull next time round

Players like Schoenmakers are fortunate the talent pool's been watered down by the addition of the expansion teams.

 

[nickrebellious]

Could be Willsmore on the rookie list so we can pay out his year as a rookie.

Hartung would probably have gone to the preseason draft anyway. Maybe delisting him allows us to bring in our own DFA

 

[Mercy Seat]

Hartungs fragile mind is not up to team sport let alone senior AFL football. Needs his hand held to be lead to the bathroom. Hawks must learn from selecting these type of people, first Dowler now Hartung.

Is this an informed comment based on knowledge of him personally? Or just a 'feeling' you get?

 

[HODGEYROAD]

I think I understand where the club would have come from in this decision. They know what they have with billy, he's had plenty of chances and has just shown to be a below average footballer.

Dallas hasn't had much of a run so I can see why the kept him incase he turns out to be something.

I hope Hartung gets another chance and proves us all wrong.

That's because he can't play consistently good footy at VFL level, mind boggling we are wasting a rookie list spot on him.

 

[HODGEYROAD]

Still think Miles can possibly make it. Has more footy smarts than many other fringe players - and what he lacks in size he doesn't have a problem sizing up to bigger players - was even doing it at AFL level.

If you mean be a top quality country footballer by make it, then yes I agree.

 

[seysearles]

It really isn’t.

Look Im just a dumb supporter who is confused because he thought he knew how it worked but apparently doesn't. What is the logic behind delisting a 22yr old Hartung who has performed to a reasonable standard at senior level yet keeping Heatherly (22) Willsmore (22) and O'Rourke (23) none of whom have given the club anything to date? To my way of thinking, at least Billy had a point of difference, which was the fact that he had an elite attribute. Yes he had deficiencies but that is often the case with players who excel in a particular area (look at most ruckman who generally have appalling speed/mobility/disposal). The other three guys that we have decided to keep really are incredibly one dimensional battlers across the board. Is that the tactics that we're going for? Even-ness albeit just very average? Or is the club's view that congestion and emphasis on pressure means that there is just no place for a "soft" footballer in a squad in 2018 and beyond. In that case Im not sure O'Rourke deserved to keep his spot. Hill shouldn't be on an AFL list either. The fact that Billy was getting named most weeks for the past 3 season (20gm in '15, 18gm in '16 and 18gm in '17) confuses me also. Almost all his stats were tracking positively since his first season. Surely if his deficiencies were that glaring he should have been permanently outside the best 22.

I'm not having a go at the club because I assume they know what they're doing, I am just really confused by the decision though.




edit: Also, and this may be superficial, but do you give #4 to a player that you think has major deficiencies in his game? Aren't lower numbers reserved for players you are rewarding for performance and you want to keep on your list? Another layer of why its a weird move to me.

 

[killerspud]

I watched Billy a lot this season - he would second guess himself a lot - he would see and option and you could see every cog of his thought process - there's an option here that I could take - but I wonder if it's the right one? I have pace maybe I should use that? (uh oh there's a guy about to tackle me I'll run away a bit from him) now back to whether I should take that option or run? Ok that Option has gone maybe I should handball?

and on it went - more disappointed in our coaching staff than Billy - no one got him to play on instinct - they gave him too many team rules and plans and I think it confused him out of the game - also ridiculous playing him as a sub early on - the whole point of him is his stamina and the fact he can run when others are tired

A big club fail on this one (especially seeing Zach Merrett went a few picks later)

 

[Bardo State]

There are worse players than Billy running around getting games. I thought he was starting to string some respectable performances together at the back end of the year. Guess the club just didn't think his questionable decision making/footy brain, meh kicking and light frame was worth persisting with as a fringe player approaching his mid 20s. Hope he finds himself a new club.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Look Im just a dumb supporter who is confused because he thought he knew how it worked but apparently doesn't. What is the logic behind delisting a 22yr old Hartung who has performed to a reasonable standard at senior level yet keeping Heatherly (22) Willsmore (22) and O'Rourke (23) none of whom have given the club anything to date? To my way of thinking, at least Billy had a point of difference, which was the fact that he had an elite attribute. Yes he had deficiencies but that is often the case with players who excel in a particular area (look at most ruckman who generally have appalling speed/mobility/disposal). The other three guys that we have decided to keep really are incredibly one dimensional battlers across the board. Is that the tactics that we're going for? Even-ness albeit just very average? Or is the club's view that congestion and emphasis on pressure means that there is just no place for a "soft" footballer in a squad in 2018 and beyond. In that case Im not sure O'Rourke deserved to keep his spot. Hill shouldn't be on an AFL list either. The fact that Billy was getting named most weeks for the past 3 season (20gm in '15, 18gm in '16 and 18gm in '17) confuses me also? Almost all his stats were tracking positively also. Surely if his deficiencies were that glaring he should have been permanently outside the best 22.

I'm not having a go at the club because I assume they know what they're doing, I am just really confused by the decision though.


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Others have already given hints in this thread as to:
A: Why Hartung wanted to explore his options.
B: Why Hawthorn were willing to delist him.



O'Rourke has had a wretched injury run, and the club want to give him the opportunity to play a bunch of games and show his worth.

 

[Deleted member 170709]

Highly doubt we will rerookie dallas...unless there's nothing else left. Surely (hopefully) just softening the blow for him

 

[kazzooka]

There is clearly something going on behind the scenes.

There's no way Billy would be de-listed on ability before Willsmore.....

Willsmore already has a contract for next year is why, so if we have to pay him we might as well make some use of him. Hartung didn't have a contract and we would rather offer one to someone who we believe has a future. That nobody wanted to trade for him is surprising, but will likely get picked up as a delisted free agent.

 

[kazzooka]

My theory on Hartung: Out of contract and had been in the side most weeks since 2015. Would have been expecting a pretty good contract given this and we were unwilling to provide it to him. Manager asked around and other clubs(s) offered more money but weren't willing to give up anything because they knew we would cut him anyway and he will end up at one of them

Worked well for Xavier Richards, played plenty of games including a grand final which he was adequate in. Never to be seen again.

 

[TheExtractorFactor]

Worked well for Xavier Richards, played plenty of games including a grand final which he was adequate in. Never to be seen again.

Clearly no one promised him a better deal

 

[JoeHawk]

Lovell has said in the past he can play outside. He hasn't got the pace of Hartung - but he's a possibility if fit.

How about Impy on the wing. The kids got pace but not sure if he has the tank.

But not surprised to see Hartung go. Really lacks the mongrel needed for AFL and appears scared to lay a tackle.

 

[Hawkboy62]

There is clearly something going on behind the scenes.

There's no way Billy would be de-listed on ability before Willsmore.....

Dallas was contracted for 2018, so would have to be paid out.

The image of Billy I can remember is from the 2015 GF, when he was watching in the stands with his girlfriend. Seemed about as happy as Gillon with the Threepeat being realized against the odds. Guess it's tough just missing out, unless you happen to be Sideshow Bob! He's gone now, so wish him luck.

Off on a tandem I thought that the Cloke retirement was a bit off. Retired because he was told he was not going to get games in the firsts, but the article said that Doggies will still pay out contract! Nice work if you can get it!

 

[eldorado]

I can’t see any point in re-rookie-listing Willsmore.

Nor me.

That's even more thought-provoking, if not puzzling, than Billy going