Player Watch Harvey Harrison

[sideswipe]

Not a flawed point at all - unless you think experience built of over a comparable number of games is irrelevant.
HH has all the skill of Sidey with the added advantage of speed. Supporters are rightly effusive about his prospects but more so in my case.

You might be underestimating Steele's skills, not to mention his elite aerobic capacity. Bit disrespectful to one of the greatest ever Magpies.

 

[No SPIN]

Yes, he averages 13.5 disposals per game in the VFL, that is 10 less disposals per game than Sidey has averaged over his career in the AFL

Yes I know Flys game plan is about efficiency, but to match Sideys efficiency and creativity of disposals with 10 less disposals per game, the quality of his disposal would have to be in GOAT territory..

All this is not to say i dont like HH and havent been impressed with his impactfulness. But if you want him as good as Sidey, he simply has to find the footy more than he currently does...

By deficiency I’m talking about is skills.
What attributes/skills is HH lacking compared to Sidey?
Your disposal analysis is unfair given the very different games played by each player at the same age.

 

[No SPIN]

You might be underestimating Steele's skills, not to mention his elite aerobic capacity. Bit disrespectful to one of the greatest ever Magpies.

That’s a weird slant - I doubt Sidey would be troubled by the comparison.
Is it disrespectful to Bucks if we say ND will be a better player?

HH also has an elite tank as Fly has mentioned several times.

 

[sideswipe]

That’s a weird slant - I doubt Sidey would be troubled by the comparison.
Is it disrespectful to Bucks if we say ND will be a better player?

HH also has an elite tank as Fly has mentioned several times.

OK, maybe not disrespectful, just delusional.

 

[sr36]

Has HH got any deficiency in relation to Sidey that will hold him back in playing Sidey role at the same level?
I don’t think so - and he has the added benefit of elite speed.
I have no issue is saying he’ll be a gun - and I generally tend to be circumspect/ conservative in assessing kids.

No you don't. You fall in love with most of them - from Finn to Trey and now Harvey.

 

[No SPIN]

No you don't. You fall in love with most of them - from Finn to Trey and now Harvey.

Why are you getting antsy?
I’ve never said that Finn or Trey would be guns.

 

[sr36]

By deficiency I’m talking about is skills.
What attributes/skills is HH lacking compared to Sidey?
Your disposal analysis is unfair given the very different games played by each player at the same age.

Game sense, awareness and speed of mind. It's why guys like Steele and Mitchell have been stars. It's what separates Nick Daicos from a fair few sublimely skilled guys. Same with Pendles. It's harder to measure, but it's why you can't measure how good a footballer is by the combination of their skills and athletic attributes - most of the game is played above the shoulders.

 

[No SPIN]

OK, maybe not disrespectful, just delusional.

Optimism is often derided as delusion - that’s life.

 

[sr36]

Why are you getting antsy?
I’ve never said that Finn or Trey would be guns.

I'm not antsy - I'm just suggesting that you have an inflated opinion of our youngsters.

 

[No SPIN]

Game sense, awareness and speed of mind. It's why guys like Steele and Mitchell have been stars. It's what separates Nick Daicos from a fair few sublimely skilled guys. Same with Pendles. It's harder to measure, but it's why you can't measure how good a footballer is by the combination of their skills and athletic attributes - most of the game is played above the shoulders.

Speed of mind, game sense, awareness - you are joking.
I’ll give you 2 game winning examples - tap to Space allowing ND to gather and kick the winning goal against Carlton.
Lighting HB to IQ to start the chain to set JDG against Adel.

It’s exactly because HH has demonstrated elite Footy IQ particularly in the clutch moments, that I rate him so highly.
Clearly you haven’t seen this and now I get why you’ve gone so hard at my views.

 

[Bianconeri]

Would have thought Josh Daicos

7

Josh Daicos

Age

25

Ht

178cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.6

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

7.3

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.6

5star

CL

1.3

3star

D

16.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.5

4star

CL

1.5

4star

D

13.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

6.2

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

4.2

5star

CL

1.2

4star

would be the more realistic career trajectory for Harrison than Sidebottom.

 

[Granit1962]

I sort of get what Spinny is saying - I think. That HH demonstrates elite traits that may one day put him in the same lofty status as our Steele. In his limited sample size he has shown examples of elite game awareness, with his hand passes, taps on. He feels this point is not being sufficiently acknowledged. while on top of this he has other possible superior attributes to Steele such as speed. Though the biggest one, is that SS has had few injuries. Which is very unlikely to be matched by HH.

Injury gods aside, is it so wrong to compare a 9 game player to a legend such as Sidebottom. That Reid fella over in WA goes okay, how many games has he played and who is he being compared to. There is already a thread pondering the question, Naicous the GOAT.

They are all dreams, which occasionally come true. Yet from TV lounge I see something special about HH and Joey.

 

[sr36]

Speed of mind, game sense, awareness - you are joking.
I’ll give you 2 game winning examples - tap to Space allowing ND to gather and kick the winning goal against Carlton.
Lighting HB to IQ to start the chain to set JDG against Adel.

It’s exactly because HH has demonstrated elite Footy IQ particularly in the clutch moments, that I rate him so highly.
Clearly you haven’t seen this and now I get why you’ve gone so hard at my views.

Jeez Spinny. Yes he's superior to Sidey in all ways and will definitely be a great of the club ...

But in seriousness, what attributes did WHE have over James Hird - WHE faster, taller, bigger leap, better kick, has done a lot of clever plays ...

 

[Horaceg]

Sidebottom has been a legend at our Club, 2 time Premiership player, he’s closer to the end but still has more in the tank. HH is just starting out and shows some real promise but has a long way to be compared to one of our greats.

I love them both but one still has some sh1t to prove and let’s hope he exceeds all our expectations.

 

[sr36]

I sort of get what Spinny is saying - I think. That HH demonstrates elite traits that may one day put him in the same lofty status as our Steele. In his limited sample size he has shown examples of elite game awareness, with his hand passes, taps on. He feels this point is not being sufficiently acknowledged. while on top of this he has other possible superior attributes to Steele such as speed. Though the biggest one, is that SS has had few injuries. Which is very unlikely to be matched by HH.

Injury gods aside, is it so wrong to compare a 9 game player to a legend such as Sidebottom. That Reid fella over in WA goes okay, how many games has he played and who is he being compared to. There is already a thread pondering the question, Naicous the GOAT.

They are all dreams, which occasionally come true. Yet from TV lounge I see something special about HH and Joey.

Reid and Daicos's career trajectories are tracking towards greatness - HH's isn't.

Looks like he should become a good player though.

 

[No SPIN]

Jeez Spinny. Yes he's superior to Sidey in all ways and will definitely be a great of the club ...

But in seriousness, what attributes did WHE have over James Hird - WHE faster, taller, bigger leap, better kick, has done a lot of clever plays ...

SR - you picked speed of mind, game awareness etc.
Did the examples I offered not reinforce HH is fine on those metrics?

 

[sr36]

SR - you picked speed of mind, game awareness etc.
Did the examples I offered not reinforce HH is fine on those metrics?

I didn't say he had any issues.

Some blokes just see the game unfolding more clearly and earlier and get to the right spots more often and see the field more clearly - thus contribute more than others who appear to have the same or better attributes. We're lucky to have had a few in recent years who are next level in that regard.

At this stage, god knows where Harrison will get to, but it's rare that it takes the very top guys who see the game really clearly three years to become senior players. Saying that he's going to be as good as Sidey because of attributes is silly - Guys like Sidey and Tom Mitchell are much more than their physical attributes should allow them to be.

 

[gouki88]

SR - you picked speed of mind, game awareness etc.
Did the examples I offered not reinforce HH is fine on those metrics?

My god...

Fine =/= equivalent to one of our all-time greats

 

[Bianconeri]

I didn't say he had any issues.

Some blokes just see the game unfolding more clearly and earlier and get to the right spots more often and see the field more clearly - thus contribute more than others who appear to have the same or better attributes. We're lucky to have had a few in recent years who are next level in that regard.

At this stage, god knows where Harrison will get to, but it's rare that it takes the very top guys who see the game really clearly three years to become senior players. Saying that he's going to be as good as Sidey because of attributes is silly - Guys like Sidey and Tom Mitchell are much more than their physical attributes should allow them to be.

Not disagreeing with your overall point but I think Sidebottom and Mitchell’s physical traits are being underrated because they lack pace. They’ve more than made up for it in other physical aspects.

Sidebottom has always had an elite tank and could outrun players from day one. He had a huge advantage on a forward being able to run up the field, lose his opponent and find the ball whilst also being able to double back and get himself into dangerous spots deep forward. Sidebottom may not be the strongest player but he’s always been strong enough to hold his ground in a marking contest and shrug tackles in contested situations.

Mitchell mightn’t have had the the elite tank of Sidebottom but he’s always been able to get from stoppage to stoppage whilst also providing an outlet on the outside and is another strength wise that can struggle tackles in congestion.

 

[No SPIN]

My god...

Fine =/= equivalent to one of our all-time greats

Now you’re being obtuse.
Settle down and move on.

 

[sr36]

Not disagreeing with your overall point but I think Sidebottom and Mitchell’s physical traits are being underrated because they lack pace. They’ve more than made up for it in other physical aspects.

Sidebottom has always had an elite tank and could outrun players from day one. He had a huge advantage on a forward being able to run up the field, lose his opponent and find the ball whilst also being able to double back and get himself into dangerous spots deep forward. Sidebottom may not be the strongest player but he’s always been strong enough to hold his ground in a marking contest and shrug tackles in contested situations.

Mitchell mightn’t have had the the elite tank of Sidebottom but he’s always been able to get from stoppage to stoppage whilst also providing an outlet on the outside and is another strength wise that can struggle tackles in congestion.

Very true. The other physical trait that I think is really underrated and where I think Sidey is elite is balance.

 

[gouki88]

Now you’re being obtuse.
Settle down and move on.

Or you could, just once, walk back an outlandish claim.

Either way, HH is a gun

 

[sam_e]

HH rising star nom. interview on 360 ..geez, just give the kid the captaincy already

 

[Fat Jesus]

James Hird was just about the most skilful player I ever watched.
You can't teach it. You're born with it.
Very beautiful to watch. Add courage.

 

[manicpie]

James Hird was just about the most skilful player I ever watched.
You can't teach it. You're born with it.
Very beautiful to watch. Add courage.

I bet you still wanted to slap him everytime he touched the ball, I know I did