He hasn't demanded selection since being drop and has disappointed.
He doesn't deserve to replace anyone when his form is not up to standard and his struggles at domestic level only serve to affirm the decisions of the selectors. (for once)
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He doesn't deserve to replace anyone when his form is not up to standard and his struggles at domestic level only serve to affirm the decisions of the selectors. (for once)
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Well he did average 60 odd in shield cricket last year. He hasnt gone great this year coming off a shoulder injury (little cricket between NZ and the start of the Australian summer) but every player goes through periods of bad form.
grizzlym
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I also understand that Ponting wasn't exactly pleased by Hughes being dropped during the Ashes. Anyone read Roebuck's article this morning? He alluded to the bigger issues behind the scenes. Interesting times ahead.
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I was a bit peeved that Roebuck was pissed off about O'Keefe, Cameron and Warner not being chosen in the NSW side, when he's been banging on about youth being rushed into the side to our detriment (ie players getting an easy run into the side - Australia's lost its hard nosed approach). Seemed a bit hypocritical. I'd prefer O'Keefe was picked, but we had Hauritz still pushing for selection also, we have Warner who is deemed to be behind Jaques Hughes Khawaja Smith and Maddinson, obviously, and had Bollinger and Copeland, one trying to regain fitness and one the best performed Shield bowler over the last year, and Clark - the leader. Them missing was the product of depth, not of weak decisions.
Only Henriques spot was questionable, and he's done well this game.
Only Henriques spot was questionable, and he's done well this game.
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Pretty much.
This "flaw" didn't seem to have an effect on him smashing the best pace bowling attack all over the ground.
All they have done is destroy the confidence of the best young batsmen we have come across in a long time and every time he comes out to bat he is unsure of himself because they are wanting to change they way he has batted his whole life with success.
Just like they have tried to change Mitchell Johnson from his natural game which has done nothing but bad things.
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If we do select Hughes, and he fails, then the first thing people are going to say is "why are we selecting blokes who are out of form?". I'd rather pick someone in good touch like Shaun Marsh (his golden duck in the one dayer today against Queensland wasn't good), even if he hasn't been making his recent runs as an opener (he's played as an opener for the majority of his career).
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Never, ever, ever, ever.
I love Hughes, and I've been one of his staunchest defenders on here, but I have to admit, I'm not sure if we can go with him when there are other players demanding a spot.
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The majority of his career he has been mediocre as hell. It's only since leaving the opening position he's started to show good form. Logically, he's probably not the ideal opener.
Hughes is def promising but his form at present is probably not good enough to justify selection.
Not many others are screaming out for a spot, unless you put Huss up the order and Marsh or someone else in.
Doctor Feel
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I'm a huge fan of Katto, consistant as old hell. Love him to pieces and I really hope he plays until hes 70.
The signs arent good with a tough injury like this one, though.
The signs arent good with a tough injury like this one, though.
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How much of Hughes' problems are mental?
We all know he was screwed over because Johnson can't bowl.
Since he has being screwed over he has also seen numerous other batsmen get extremely generous runs in the team.
If his problems are mental then the selectors should show faith in him and give him an extended run in the team.
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Almost all mental, he looks lost when he is out their and it can't be coincidence that his slump came after our fearless leaders treated him like utter shit.
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Thats what I feel, the difference pre and post Ashes dumping appear to be confidence. Before we had a player who was unorthodox but very confident in his own game, whereas now we have a player who does not appear to have that same confidence.
After being told his weakness was the short ball.
In the time since North has shown he has a weakness to cricket and cant get dropped. Hussey was carried for 34 tests averaging 35 or so, has come good the last two tests but an extended run of poor form wasnt enough. Hell Ponting has throughout his career had an issue of pushing too much at the ball over his first 20 runs or so, gets him caught and gets himself LBW, but he's managed to do OK/
This particular dropping and subsequent keeping of numerous out of form/mediocre players has been pretty poor.
After being told his weakness was the short ball.
In the time since North has shown he has a weakness to cricket and cant get dropped. Hussey was carried for 34 tests averaging 35 or so, has come good the last two tests but an extended run of poor form wasnt enough. Hell Ponting has throughout his career had an issue of pushing too much at the ball over his first 20 runs or so, gets him caught and gets himself LBW, but he's managed to do OK/
This particular dropping and subsequent keeping of numerous out of form/mediocre players has been pretty poor.
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Perhaps after a few games on tv, people worked out where to bowl to Hughes?
Hughes' form in shield cricket doesnt warrant him being picked in the test side. Sure he is the future, but surely it is not a smart move to pick someone who doesnt deserve it?
Marsh is in great form, deserves selection, and would be a fine replacement for North.
Perhaps Khawaja could be picked and Ponting could open? He isnt scoring runs anyway, perhaps a change would be good.
Marsh is in great form, deserves selection, and would be a fine replacement for North.
Perhaps Khawaja could be picked and Ponting could open? He isnt scoring runs anyway, perhaps a change would be good.
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Order of preference-
Hughes
Marsh
Katich
Warner
Or put Haddin as opener and try to get Brad Hodge out of retirement.
Hughes
Marsh
Katich
Warner
Or put Haddin as opener and try to get Brad Hodge out of retirement.
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David Warner has played 4 SS matches and averages 26.
A Matthew Hayden comeback is more likely.
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I think playing Hughes now wouldn't be a good thing. He's not in good form and his confidence is low. Besides, the people who were around when he was dropped are still around. All in all, I think it wouldn't be the best move.
The selectors, coach and captain must pay the ultimate price for failure. Failure to succeed and failure to take decisive action. Ponting will retire at the end of this series after losing 3 -0 so the options are to do it the way we are now or go for youth. The youth are currently not performing, in part due to being bent over by the selectors but in part because they can see no hope.
North, Doherty and Siddle need to go with the first 2 having there papers torn up for test cricket. Clarke must go if not 100% fit as ruled by physio not himself. Johnson cannot be brought back until he actually does something. The Rug will be better for having had a game and Harris is OK. Cameron or Copeland should come in.
Batting wise I would give Jacques a run as the seasoned professional who is still playing OK. Smith gives a PT bowling option or play White as captain. Horrie probably comes back given they hate Krezja as he turns the ball too far for the selectors.
Tell Ricky to pull a hammy and miss 2 tests and let him play the last then retire. Play one of the young blokes, probably Kwaja as he bats at 3.
FFS just make some decisions and make them happen
North, Doherty and Siddle need to go with the first 2 having there papers torn up for test cricket. Clarke must go if not 100% fit as ruled by physio not himself. Johnson cannot be brought back until he actually does something. The Rug will be better for having had a game and Harris is OK. Cameron or Copeland should come in.
Batting wise I would give Jacques a run as the seasoned professional who is still playing OK. Smith gives a PT bowling option or play White as captain. Horrie probably comes back given they hate Krezja as he turns the ball too far for the selectors.
Tell Ricky to pull a hammy and miss 2 tests and let him play the last then retire. Play one of the young blokes, probably Kwaja as he bats at 3.
FFS just make some decisions and make them happen
Exactly, people have to realise that young blokes probably can come in a play freely, score highly because teams dont know any of their weaknesses, its those that after a couple of years in the system that are still doing extremely well and consistently making runs that are truly good players or those that are found out, go away and work on it then come back stronger than ever, so far Hughes fits under neither category
England studied him hard and found him out, the selectors made the only call they could and now any team with decent pace attack has little to worry about when Hughes walks to the crease.
As for South African series, Mickey Arthur himself admitted they didnt notice it and never gave him much of a working over in that area, they felt they stuffed up when they saw what England did to him, however I can recall him falling a couple of times to short balls in that series although one wasnt given out
Also if everyone is right that he is mentally stuffed by his dropping then maybe that is another reason to not overload the side with youngsters because he was obviously still too young and immature to cope with the realities of top level cricket.
All depends on what happens with the rest of the series, if we lose it and Warne rumors are true(cleanout of Dads army) then Katich will be replaced regardless if he regains his fitness or not fact is he is not gonna be touring next ashes in 2013.
grizzlym
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What are the Warne rumours?
No-one "worked out" where to bowl to Hughes. He was front-loaded with expectation. Like someone alluded to with Johnno, he was hampered from playing his natural game by an unneccesary and unhelpful obsession with this "problem" which basically scuppered him. When it's all anyone talks about is it any wonder the poms bowled there? It's a kind of psychological bodyline, if you will.
Shameful treatment, but it's past now, and instead of trying to undo the mistakes of the past we have to learn from them. On current form he just doesn't warrant it.
Shameful treatment, but it's past now, and instead of trying to undo the mistakes of the past we have to learn from them. On current form he just doesn't warrant it.
