Has Malthouse Been A Failure?

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Buckley on the other hand took over a premiership side that had just backed up Grand Finals.

He inherited Davis Brown Tarrant Johnson (ret) Wellingham Dawes (traded) N Brown Maccaffer Ball Krakouer Thomas Beams Keeffe Toovey Fasolo (all missed a year) Jolly Didak Maxwell (got old).

I'm struggling to name a player who has failed to kick on under Buckley given the above changes to the list since 2011.

 

[Big Red is back]

Mick the master well done

 

[pinot]

Well Done Mick Malthouse.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Well Done Mick Malthouse James Hird

Mick almost did as well as Brett Ratten!!

 

[pinot]

Mick almost did as well as Brett Ratten!!

Huh? If best players were out injured, under Ratten we could not come within five goals and ultimately finished 10th.
Mick has a system no matter who comes in. Just doesn't have the cattle....we are depending on Casboult to do a Cloke for example. I feel for the bloke.

We had Judd, Carrazzo, McLean, Scotland out yesterday so Malthouse match day systematic process is clearly superior.

 

[DG-Man]

Pies easy over Port.
Blues do there normal thing over Tiggers.
So might come down to Freo and Syd away for Pies and Blues to settle this...a little more.

 

[Collingwoodity]

Are we using the royal "we" here?

I'm pretty sure i had him behind Pendles & Swan (was getting nervous though) always behind the little nude nut though.

We non-partisan supporters

 

[Roby]

It all comes down to this week... again.

 

[JustaBattler]

Ratten presided over the total demolition of Esssendon in the last elimination played - it was his finest achievement.

Sadly, a year later, the same list allowed themselves to be beaten by a Suns second team. Carlton supporters aren't interested in anything except smashing Collingwood and Essendon every year and getting to a position to win a flag. Ratten was clearly not going to get HIS list to a flag. Yearly losses against teams which are designed to play finals football like Hawthorn underlined the huge gap between a Norths style of ultimately flawed football and a grind game which brings finals success.

Ultimately Rattens game plan, list, player development and team culture was very flawed from a Carlton perspective based on results. His own list , his own game style delivered high highs and ridiculous lows, inconsistent unaccountable and ultimately second rate football.

Ratten has probably learned MORE about what it takes to build a successful list and team and playing style in one year at Hawthorn than all his previous years anywhere else. I am sure he will be a better coach as a consequence. He will always be respected and loved at Carlton. Maybe he will get a chance to coach again.

END of STORY as far as Ratten @ Carlton goes - simple as that.

Malthouse has been brought in to make Carlton a difficult team to beat and put together a list that is more consistent and able to match the grind football required to win finals. At the same time he is charged with improving drafting choices, player development and bringing the Club up to par as far as operations go. This overall management ability isn't to be found easily - the choices are relatively few and for Carlton Malthouse's experience represented a lower risk investment.

Simple as that.

 

[passmark]

IMO MM has under performed up until this point. I think we should have made the finals quite easily, even with the flaky list we have.

But, due to circumstance (onya Hirdy), he and the team have been given a second chance.

There are certain games where all things a new coach wants come together and maybe, just maybe, the second half of the Port game was that time.

It's a curious twist of fate that the team who's cheating derailed Rattens coaching career (IMO it all went to shit in round 4 2012 when a bunch of juiced up goons monstered us) are the same ones who have given Mick's a much needed lift.

Once again, Thanks Hirdy.

.........and good luck Mick, I think you may be onto something.

 

[Dirty Bird]

Not at all.
He's gotten Carlton further into finals than Collingwood.

 

[Blue1980]

I'm sure Mick is thinking if we win tomorrow, our season has been more successful than theirs.

 

[PP34]

forwardflanker Fadge

Malthouse wouldn't have let Collingwood lose like that. Time to make a thread like this about Bucks?

 

[BALKAN]

No thread required for Buckley, there's no question that he has been an abysmal failure.

 

[clogged]

I reckon most Carlton fans would be feeling it is anything but a failure today.

 

[BALKAN]

Didn't look too excited after the siren. SACK HIM.

 

[Freomaniac]

Would find it funny if carlton won the flag from 9th spot.

 

[Uhumagoo]

Malthouse: 1 final win in 1 year
Rattan: 1 in 5

Great thread.

 

[Chism]

Great thread and would read again!

 

[Roobs321]

Worst of the Big 4 during the season, and now the only one left. Only at Carlton.

 

[BM123]

Complete success so far.

 

[Monkey King]

Mick almost did as well as Brett Ratten!!

Carlton into a semi. Mick has achieved as much in one season as Ratten did in 5

 

[LordLucifer]

Mick almost did as well as Brett Ratten!!

Malthouse has done in one season what Ratten took three to do, win a final.

 

[Monkey King]

Fadge Timmy from Thomastown forwardflanker and all the others.

I have a question. If Malthouse is a failure at Carlton, what in the hell is Buckley at Collingwood?

 

[scomac]

I am here to endorse the simplicity of this thread.