Have Geelong become too powerful?

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Yeah I know you don’t, home ground advantages exist though. Cats do have a big advantage at GMHBA, BUT I agree the premiers would win anywhere. So the deal is we don’t sook about GMHBA and you don’t sook about home finals. Fair enough? Cause it goes nowhere and gets tiring.


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you also have the huge contingent of Melbourne based Cats fans like me, that are silent as we actually want games at the MCG ;)
 
If the melts over F/S are happening now wait for the next 15 years of Father Sons - other club's will want the rules changed again.

This is a list of F/S that will be eligible for Geelong over the next 9 years.

The list also doesn't include Sons of Dangerfield & Ottens who will be eligible in 11 years

2022 - Oscar Riccardi
2023 - Max Brownless
2023 - Campbell Scholl
2024 - Jett Milburn
2024 - Alfie Wojcinski
2025 - Jagger Mooney
2025 - Boston Riccardi
2026 - Jack Graham
2027 - Oscar King
2027 - Monty Wojcinski
2028 - James Taylor
2029 - Harry Scarlett
2029 - Oliver Scarlett
2030 - Boh Enright
2030 - Max Ling
2030 - Archie Johnson
2031 - Jimmy Harley
2031 - Freddie Mackie

Guess Geelong better start accumulating points
Geelong players have sex and make babies.....NOT FAIR!

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some clubs are feeders, other are breeders I guess :laughv1:

seriously one of the most ridiculous and cringey whines ever on this board.
 
If you are seriously planning on kids half the recruitment age already, you've got issues.

Let alone putting their names up and pressure on them.
and they are being raised at a secret location with special foods and exercise regimes. :thumbsupv1:

GFC got a hold of secret Chinese IPs and are developing super-athletes specifically programmed to play KP and MSG.
 

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Let's review your flawed points then.

Father/Son - All clubs have F/S privileges. Not yet functional for GCS or GWS but nonetheless still an 18/18 club proposition. Your rising star this year was a Father/Son selection.

Rants about our home venue. Has been our home ground since 1944. In that time we've had numerous periods of success and numerous periods of mediocrity. Even had periods of dilapidation and debt. Not our fault of the 12 VFL clubs that 2 merged and moved interstate, as did the Swans and the rest gave up their home venues. Not our fault at all. Also wasn't an issue for anyone before 2007. Funny that.

We receive 9/22 matches at home. The least of all clubs. Have to play home matches on our opponents ground (including finals... Which benefited your club).
Meanwhile Collingwood play 16 games a season at the MCG.

I have a genuine question about Geelong’s home ground. Cats supporters all like to say it’s not their fault other sides gave up their home grounds. That’s not quite how I remember it. I don’t think any club (except Richmond in 1965) willingly gave up their grounds. I’m pretty sure the AFL told clubs like Collingwood, Carlton, Bulldogs etc that they wouldn’t be given any funding for improvements and even if they found their own funding, no matches would be scheduled on those grounds. Thus, effectively forcing them out.

My question therefore is how did Geelong avoid this scenario? It’s all very well to say Geelong refused to go but let’s face it, if the AFL wants something to happen, it’ll happen. Can anyone enlighten me?
 
I have a genuine question about Geelong’s home ground. Cats supporters all like to say it’s not their fault other sides gave up their home grounds. That’s not quite how I remember it. I don’t think any club (except Richmond in 1965) willingly gave up their grounds. I’m pretty sure the AFL told clubs like Collingwood, Carlton, Bulldogs etc that they wouldn’t be given any funding for improvements and even if they found their own funding, no matches would be scheduled on those grounds. Thus, effectively forcing them out.

My question therefore is how did Geelong avoid this scenario? It’s all very well to say Geelong refused to go but let’s face it, if the AFL wants something to happen, it’ll happen. Can anyone enlighten me?


Probably by being in another city, first and foremost.

While I think the idea of playing our games in Melbourne was discussed at times, the absurdity of such a notion put a stop to it
 
This is getting to ridiculous levels of sycophancy now. They have one flag, lets settle down.

They have traded away most of their youth over the past few years and bravely gone all in for a flag. Credit to them they built a team perfect for finals with mature, hard bodies and smashed it. I think most cats fans would admit they would have liked another one or two over the past couple of years though and while they may sneak one more next year, like other recent teams who have gone into a GF with a very old side (Haw 15, WCE 18), it ends hard.

In 3/4 years Geelong will be without Danger, Cameron, Guthrie, Stewart, Bews, Rohan, Hawkins, Blicavs, Duncan, Smith, Tuohy, Stanley, Ceglar and Menegola. All bar the last 3 would be in their top dozen players. Not withstanding the loss of Selwood.

They have swapped Stephens for Bruhn at the cost of a 1st rd pick, both are unproven prospects. They have the Henry boys, SDK, pick 7, Holmes and Bruhn as their potential top end young talent and aside from pick 7, they have basically traded out of the next two drafts. Their best player in the 24-28 bracket is Tom Atkins

Im happy to give Geelong the credit they deserve for an outstanding season and a dominant GF, but Im not scared of them becoming 'too powerful'.
 
I have a genuine question about Geelong’s home ground. Cats supporters all like to say it’s not their fault other sides gave up their home grounds. That’s not quite how I remember it. I don’t think any club (except Richmond in 1965) willingly gave up their grounds. I’m pretty sure the AFL told clubs like Collingwood, Carlton, Bulldogs etc that they wouldn’t be given any funding for improvements and even if they found their own funding, no matches would be scheduled on those grounds. Thus, effectively forcing them out.

My question therefore is how did Geelong avoid this scenario? It’s all very well to say Geelong refused to go but let’s face it, if the AFL wants something to happen, it’ll happen. Can anyone enlighten me?
Why does it matter? The data shows no significant advantage. Geelong have a great recent record at KP because they have a great recent record overall.
This century, when Geelong have had lean years then they also have lean years at KP.
 

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If the melts over F/S are happening now wait for the next 15 years of Father Sons - other club's will want the rules changed again.

This is a list of F/S that will be eligible for Geelong over the next 9 years.

The list also doesn't include Sons of Dangerfield & Ottens who will be eligible in 11 years

2022 - Oscar Riccardi
2023 - Max Brownless
2023 - Campbell Scholl
2024 - Jett Milburn
2024 - Alfie Wojcinski
2025 - Jagger Mooney
2025 - Boston Riccardi
2026 - Jack Graham
2027 - Oscar King
2027 - Monty Wojcinski
2028 - James Taylor
2029 - Harry Scarlett
2029 - Oliver Scarlett
2030 - Boh Enright
2030 - Max Ling
2030 - Archie Johnson
2031 - Jimmy Harley
2031 - Freddie Mackie

Guess Geelong better start accumulating points
Some cool first names there - Jet, Jagger, Boston, Boh, Monty, Archie and Freddie.

Whatever happened to John (not Jonathan)? I read somewhere that in the early 1960's there was something like 95 'Johns' playing VFL. I don't think there is one now.
 
They have a "location" advantage and they take advantage of it. Why wouldn't they?

Nothing to see there. Same with a home ground advantage. No big deal on that front. Plenty of clubs have a home ground advantage.

I can't remember which thread I looked at for this but I did notice Geelong had quite a few more coaches on the books than other clubs. Geelong - News, Fixtures, Scores & Results - geelongcats.com.au

I know the Tigers have less coaches and development staff than what the Cats have. As do most other clubs. Some of the Cats supporters on here may know but where the Cats sit with regards to the coaching soft cap? And ffs, I'm not accusing them of anything. Simply an observation when looking at something for another thread.
 
Hang on, Brisbane, GC, Sydney and GWS all play on grounds that they don't share:rolleyes:

Brisbane being the only one who can be excused here. As Gold Coast & GWS are jokes as they are in states where AFL struggles to hold water in comparison to other codes. So you got 1 good example out of 18 :clapping: Good job there lol



What utter garbage. I haven't read any posts saying or implying Geelong deserved pick 7. What I've read, though, is that Geelong somehow cheated to get such a deal, or that it was grossly unfair. Fact is the offer was open to all teams. Bowes selected Geelong, just like McSpray, Mitchell, Frampton et al selected Collingwood

Of course, biased asf Geelong fans gonna call it utter garbage lol ☠️
No, Geelong didn't do the cheating. The AFL did, to their favorite club. (And there is no doubt it was grossly unfair to anyone but a GFC fan)
lol your last example is top tier irrelevant. Lots of players choose clubs. If you had read even the slighest amount of the conversation. You would know that the biggest issue here is in fact Free Agency. I'm not gonna outline it again because you choose to rush to talk without thinking. That's just high school shit. Don't bother replying if you can't be rational or actually read into the debate kiddo.
 
No they haven't become too powerful.

It's the AFL's fault for introducing rules that continue to be exploited by strong clubs. Who can blame any good club for wanting to remain strong?

It's incumbent on every other club to knock them off the damned perch and stop being so incompetent themselves.

Said the Richmond fan.
 
I have a genuine question about Geelong’s home ground. Cats supporters all like to say it’s not their fault other sides gave up their home grounds. That’s not quite how I remember it. I don’t think any club (except Richmond in 1965) willingly gave up their grounds. I’m pretty sure the AFL told clubs like Collingwood, Carlton, Bulldogs etc that they wouldn’t be given any funding for improvements and even if they found their own funding, no matches would be scheduled on those grounds. Thus, effectively forcing them out.

My question therefore is how did Geelong avoid this scenario? It’s all very well to say Geelong refused to go but let’s face it, if the AFL wants something to happen, it’ll happen. Can anyone enlighten me?

Don't expect these Geelong fans to read anything factual and take it in. They are trapped in a bubble.
They are blind to their own advantages.
 
no leave it here, can tell from these long sook replies is cutting them deep. :D

I dont really any of it thats over a paragraph long, just know they got tears on their keyboard

Not awfully surprising, as you can barely complete your sentences above. It's probably best you didn't read it.
Would of went over you head anyway.
 
What is this utter bullshit. There are sooo many country Victorians that we don’t draft, and who never come to us. Cos I have no life, here is a list of just Falcons players in the last 30 years that haven’t come home to Geelong, and many of whom I’m certain we’ve chased/spoken to.

Scott Lucas, Steven Baker, Jonathan Brown, Nick Maxwell, Luke Hodge, Nathan Foley, Jordan Lewis, Travis Boak, Curnow x 2, McCartin x 2, Devon Smith, Mason Wood, Taylor Adams, Lewis Taylor, Darcy Gardner, Jackson Nelson, Zaine Cordy, Darcy Parish, Tom Doedee, Alex Witherden, James Worpel, and last but not least, Sam mother******* Walsh.

Shaun Higgins, Luke Dahlhaus and Jack Steven also played 150-200+ games for other clubs before we could get them “back home”, and they were all past their prime when we got them. We made a serious run at Curnow a few years ago apparently, and he said no. So did Boak, after Selwood and Scott flew to meet with him mid-season one year.

This Country VIC/Falcons -> Geelong pipeline you have in your head is an utter fantasy, and the attraction home is almost entirely a recent phenomenon, and not the ungodly advantage you seem to think. Danger and Cameron are the only real (and successful) examples of this you can pull in the last 30 years, and there are many other clubs that have a pull for success and lifestyle. It’s not that big a deal - it’s just our turn at the moment.

Entirely wrong from start to finish, sadly.
And besides the point of the original post but fire off kiddo.

Bottom line is, they gonna come home to Geelong pal. It's nice that you were able to pick out 1 or 2 examples of the total of 5 or so. Well done
 
Brisbane being the only one who can be excused here. As Gold Coast & GWS are jokes as they are in states where AFL struggles to hold water in comparison to other codes. So you got 1 good example out of 18 :clapping: Good job there lol





Of course, biased asf Geelong fans gonna call it utter garbage lol ☠️
No, Geelong didn't do the cheating. The AFL did, to their favorite club. (And there is no doubt it was grossly unfair to anyone but a GFC fan)
lol your last example is top tier irrelevant. Lots of players choose clubs. If you had read even the slighest amount of the conversation. You would know that the biggest issue here is in fact Free Agency. I'm not gonna outline it again because you choose to rush to talk without thinking. That's just high school s**t. Don't bother replying if you can't be rational or actually read into the debate kiddo.
You're a misery guts. You should change your user name. You come across as anything but 'Happy'. I just checked your post and boy, talk about an angry person. Telling me what conclusions I am allowed to draw, asking questions and answering them yourself, and then telling me not to bother responding.

Why the **** do you even bother posting on BF?

DON'T BOTHER RESPONDING!
 

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