Have our formerly selfish forwards become too unselfish?

[Quicky]

I think we're to unselfish TBH, i'm a believer that if you're within range on a decent angle and you have an opening you take it, and you take that option first, the more hands the ball goes through the higher the chance of a stuff up.

Totally agree with this. I love a forward that has the balls and confidence to back himself. I wish more of our players would pull the trigger when in goal scoring range. Too few are willing to take resposibility for the difficult kicks in this team.

 

[The Dawes]

Totally agree with this. I love a forward that has the balls and confidence to back himself. I wish more of our players would pull the trigger when in goal scoring range. Too few are willing to take resposibility for the difficult kicks in this team.

yes indeed.

It frustrates me no end when players are looking to find a teammate in the 'perfect' position instead of just playing on instinct and having a shot for goal themselves and all they end up doing is coughing up goal scoring opportunities.

 

[Jasper84]

Whilst majority of Dermie's comments were rubbish, what interested me was the comment about our forwards not providing dummy leads and moving to correct positions to create space for each other. I don't get to enough games to see this myself. Can anyone shed light on if there is some validity to this?

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I reckon Brereton has a reasonable point.

It's hardly as if our forward line has been playing as a cohesive unit this year.

Doesnt mean they are selfish. Maybe they just arent good enough. Our best two forwards are Moore and Elliott. Moore is still young and skinny and spending too much time in the ruck (and now has broken down) while Elliot missed multiple weeks with injury after missing all of 2016. Apart from Fas who has his limitations with leg speed and some atypical inaccuraccy in front of goal, there isnt much else.

 

[Sasuke]

All of our forwards want to be the marking player. It annoys me to no end how our forward line has about 20 players in it everytime we move forward and the opposition constantly hit up free players inside 50. You basically have Moore, and then 4 guys who all play the same. Crocker, Fasolo, Greenwood and Elliot. None of those guys are known for their forward pressure or chasing ability. None seem willing to stay down and crumb or keep the ball in.

 

[Vicky Park]

Our last two matches have yielded scores of 62 and 94.

I think it's also worth looking at our average score with both in the side to see whether they're value adding or need to change their games. In 2017 it's 90.8 with them both and 81.6 when they aren't teamed together.

For mine there's no doubt we're better when they're teamed up and doing their thing.

I've obviously blocked out the Port Adelaide game!

 

[Schraderbrau]

First thing that struck me was having a go at Elliott. Didn't play in 2016, missed a big part of this preseason and early games. Back this week after another injury.

Elliott has been sensational this year. "Doesn't launch at the ball" Derm better have another look. 21 goals from 9 games. Go at that rate for 22 games and it's 51 goals. Just a soft inaccurate description by Brereton. Haven't seen the evidence that he doesn't work for the team or create space for others.

Elliot is a good player but he's always been very selfish imo.

Moore and Cox are inexperienced rather than selfish.

Fasolo is genuinely trying to be more team oriented imo. The fact he's not very fast makes him look lazier than he really is when trying to lay defensive pressure.

 

[TW Sherrin]

Whilst majority of Dermie's comments were rubbish, what interested me was the comment about our forwards not providing dummy leads and moving to correct positions to create space for each other. I don't get to enough games to see this myself. Can anyone shed light on if there is some validity to this?

Does anyone take what Breretons says seriously?

 

[loki04]

Forget tanking for draft picks, it's a bad idea at the best of times ...

... in 2017 all the more so. We don't have our own 2nd or 3rd round picks. And whether we end up a few places earlier or later in the first round ain't going to make much difference to this team.

Conversely if done right can set a team up for a future flag tilt like 2005 draft did for the 2010 team.

Hawks are another who benefited heavily from it with the Roughead and Franklin draft.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Conversely if done right can set a team up for a future flag tilt like 2005 draft did for the 2010 team.

That priority pick loophole has been closed now.

Hawks are another who benefited heavily from it with the Roughead and Franklin draft.

I'd rather swap all our future draft picks with the clubs around us on the ladder who have an over-inflated opinion of their potential. That way we remove 'tanking' from the lexicon altogether.

 

[4#Didak#4]

I think we're to unselfish TBH, i'm a believer that if you're within range on a decent angle and you have an opening you take it, and you take that option first, the more hands the ball goes through the higher the chance of a stuff up.

Have to agree with this. I think our forwards are too worried about all things other than kicking goals. They are worried about structure, process and their own man (who should be the one worried about them). In the end to be a forward you need to be instinctive, confident and execute. Other than Elliot I have seen little of this over the last 2 years. We need forwards who want to score. Mind you our midfielders rarely make their job easy.

 

[jackcass]

Does anyone take what Breretons says seriously?

Other than Brereton you mean?

 

[loki04]

That priority pick loophole has been closed now.



I'd rather swap all our future draft picks with the clubs around us on the ladder who have an over-inflated opinion of their potential. That way we remove 'tanking' from the lexicon altogether.

Yeah that would work a treat ...not.


Bottoming out for a year or 2 is not a soul destroying exercise some of you are making it out to be. In fact most premiership lists did it for 2 years, Geelong and Cola Swans being an exception, with the cats due to very fortunate 01 draft and a raft of star FS picks doubling with top 10 picks.

The reason why Melbourne and Carlton failed is due to many factors of poor talent id, poor list management (ie removing all senior talent to guide the new wave) and finally poor development is why they stayed in the wilderness for so long. Melbourne did it deliberately for 3 years this was too long and over the top. Carlton initially had 2 year sanctions to contend with at the same time as all the senior talent falling off a cliff.

 

[Moeydw]

If we choose to tank then use that pick to bring in a midfielder I'll be fuming.

 

[Robroy22]

Does anyone take what Breretons says seriously?

Hmm....a 200 game, 5 time premiership forward versus a bunch of people who's combined AFL experience is WATCHING whilst others DO.....nah what would Dermie know?

 

[TW Sherrin]

Hmm....a 200 game, 5 time premiership forward versus a bunch of people who's combined AFL experience is WATCHING whilst others DO.....nah what would Dermie know?

He lost credibility by starting every sentence with I.

 

[THATSGOLD]

Been saying it for years our forwards are unselfish. They don't take the game on enough and just have shots. Pendlebury is the perfect example. Just take the friggen shot!!!

 

[Scodog10]

Been saying it for years our forwards are unselfish. They don't take the game on enough and just have shots. Pendlebury is the perfect example. Just take the friggen shot!!!

Good! Pendles is close to the worst set shot on our list and his overall scoring accuracy in 2017 is 36%. Between him, Greenwood and Adams I'm not sure who I have the least confidence in to convert.

 

[THATSGOLD]

Good! Pendles is close to the worst set shot on our list and his overall scoring accuracy in 2017 is 36%. Between him, Greenwood and Adams I'm not sure who I have the least confidence in to convert.

He simply doesn't line up for goal enough though. I have full confidence in Pendleburys kicking but I'm not sure he does which is wrong as a Captain.

 

[Scodog10]

He simply doesn't line up for goal enough though. I have full confidence in Pendleburys kicking but I'm not sure he does which is wrong as a Captain.

36% he misses 2 out of every 3 SOG. He's no good in front of goal and burning opportunities is definitely something we need less of.

 

[Bad Horse]

Good! Pendles is close to the worst set shot on our list and his overall scoring accuracy in 2017 is 36%. Between him, Greenwood and Adams I'm not sure who I have the least confidence in to convert.

Unfortunately based on those numbers its still Adams comfortably. Which gives an idea of how horrible Adams is.

 

[jonbe54]

Dermie wouldn't know the time of day on the best day of his life with a wristwatch, stopwatch and alarm clock lined up in front of him.
Great player but a total tool.

 

[jonbe54]

Hmm....a 200 game, 5 time premiership forward versus a bunch of people who's combined AFL experience is WATCHING whilst others DO.....nah what would Dermie know?

From his brain dead comments not much - being a player certainly doesn't make you an intelligent commentator on the game - much less an expert.

 

[legendstatus]

Hmm....a 200 game, 5 time premiership forward versus a bunch of people who's combined AFL experience is WATCHING whilst others DO.....nah what would Dermie know?

Seriously that makes him an expert - first class thug and laughed at by everyone (accept you) yeah 100% correct


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[Robroy22]

From his brain dead comments not much - being a player certainly doesn't make you an intelligent commentator on the game - much less an expert.

Perhaps his "brain dead comments" resonate with certain people more-so than with others. I've actually watched Derm tutor a group of young forwards on a number of occasions and he is very concise on how he has them working. Several of those young men are now playing AFL and all of them seemed to gain a lot from Derm's tutelage. Brain dead to the average punter perhaps?