So you want it both ways ? Richmond finish top, play fremantle, but deserve an mcg final and haw v carl has to be transferred to etihad ? Is that how it works ?
But if richmond were to be moved over to etihad, thered be no winging ?
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So you want it both ways ? Richmond finish top, play fremantle, but deserve an mcg final and haw v carl has to be transferred to etihad ? Is that how it works ?
But if richmond were to be moved over to etihad, thered be no winging ?
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If Richmond were in the lowest drawing team in the occurrence of a rare 4 Victorian home state finals week, I would have absolutely no problem with playing at Etihad.
But that won't happen because Richmond are one of the biggest supported clubs in the competition.
Ok some of you aren't getting it. There is no such thing as a home ground final only a home state final. The afl will decide which game is the most likely lowest drawing out of the 4 and that game will be at etihad. No use arguing whether that is right or wrong, it's just the way the afl operate.
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What a ludicrous thing to say. I'm a neutral and I could go along if any two of those teams were playing in a grand final, if I felt like it.
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You're not a 'huge majority'.
You really think the majority of Richmond supporters would think it was fair enough to be sent to Etihad as the second or first placed team on the ladder as the home team in a 2013 qualifying final: their first final of any kind for 12 years?
Why do you seem to think that Richmond is guaranteed to draw more supporters to a game than Hawthorn, all other things being equal?
What's similar about Etihad and the MCG? The colour of the grass? The 50m arcs? The goalposts? They are completely different dimensions. They use different surfaces. One has a roof; the other allows for the weather to play a major factor in the game.
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just change it to the big 6, cause thats what it truly is. also stops the fighting.
Perhaps, that said
http://www.hawthornfc.com.au/news/2013-08-21/round-22-footy-flashbacks
Include our Ethiad match against the Eagles (32,567) and our average draw across the 7 Melbourne based home games is 52,808 (4 Victorian clubs, 3 non Victorian clubs)
Hawthorn like Geelong may not be 'Big Four' (what ever that actually is?) but they both go alright...
For what it's worth if Essendon play Richmond, Carlton play Collingwood and Geelong host Sydney Id have no issue hosting Fremantle at Ethiad. That said, if Richmond or Collingwood were to host Port Adelaide in an Elimination Final (given Elimination Finals chronically under draw) Id expect either or both Hawthorn or Geelong to rigorously debate the cause.
If Hawthorn hosted Essendon and Collingwood played Grelong, would you be happy if Richmond were scheduled to play Fremantle at Ethiad (despite Richmond achieving a top 2 finish)
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Of course. But Richmond will not be the lowest drawing team in the foreseeable future, so it's a moot point.
Because Richmond draw bigger crowds than Hawthorn and have more members in Victoria, unless I'm mistaken.
Perhaps...
That said as per the post above, we go alright.
Last year we drew 70,000 to a Preliminary Final against Adelaide, Collingwood drew 65,000 to a Semi Final against West Coast so its not a fair accompli that certain fixtures outdraw others.
Elimination Finals chronically under draw (most fans from successful clubs regard the fixtures as little more than glorified, overpriced home and away fixtures) so a Richmond/Collingwood Elimination Final against Port Adelaide may not necessarily draw enormous crowds.
That said, the circumstances surrounding Richmond this season may or may not result is enormous, unprecedented interest in their final
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Good post.
I think there's no doubt the Hawks can draw a good crowd and thanks for providing some figures.
I don't like the term big four either.
What it comes down to is if 4 games are in Victoria, one of them must go to Etihad.
The lowest drawing game should be put in the smaller venue. If the lowest two games are equal in drawing power, only then the higher ranked team should take precedence.
I really don't see a problem with that.
If Richmond is ever in the lowest drawing game, we can't argue against it.
But Richmond vs Carlton as a final, if it happens, will be bigger than any hawk/cats game in Victoria. Cats and Hawks aren't getting screwed as they still get a home crowd advantage, a double chance, and a weeks rest if they win.
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This year, because of being starved of finals for so long, Richmond is guaranteed a huge crowd. How often do blue moons occur again?
I agree with this. I think most fans would think it would be nonsensical for Richmond, Carlton, Collingwood or Essendon collective finals to be played anywhere but the MCG. If Port Adelaide was to make the finals and were scheduled to play Collingwood I would expect that final to be scheduled at Ethid.
With Richmond, and the circumstances surrounding their final I would be very surprised if they played anywhere but the MCG. We just simply don't know what sort of crowd a match against Port would draw (probably 50k to 70k)
With Richmond, and the circumstances surrounding their final I would be very surprised if they played anywhere but the MCG. We just simply don't know what sort of crowd a match against Port would draw (probably 50k to 70k)
So Hawthorn or Geelong have to forfeit a final on their home ground that they've earnt because Richmond haven't made the finals for 12 years?
Gimme a break!!
Gimme a break!!
It's not fair but it wouldn't surprise me.
That said, people always overestimate Elimination Final attendances. In some circumstances Elimination Finals actually draw lower crowds than regular home and away games.
That said, people always overestimate Elimination Final attendances. In some circumstances Elimination Finals actually draw lower crowds than regular home and away games.
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Well is MCG Geelong's home ground?
And 5th position also earns a home final. If we play Port and you play Sydney then I would expect Hawks to get the G. To be honest I think Hawks are guaranteed Fri night at the G if they finish on top.
Regardless of who supports who, I would have thought most people could agree that pushing out a 1 or 2 team for a 5 or 6 team is unfair. In saying that, I can see why'd you'd prefer an MCG final
What happens if (probably) Port make it? Surely they get Etihad regardless of who they play
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So what are we arguing about again?
That etihad should have been built 60,000 capacity
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They haven't earned a home ground final. They have earned a home state final.
Several teams don't get to play on their actual home ground in finals.
Why should they be treated any differently to anyone else? Wouldn't be fair.
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Most likely scenario is that if Geelong gets done by Swans, very possible, we finish 4th, and play Haw at the G week 1 of finals.
Don't even know where to start on this post.
The AFL just say "home state" so that they can piss of Sydney to ANZ for the benjamins. They just do what lines their pockets the best.
Often games are moved to the MCG even though the Home Teams home ground is Etihad. Depending on how you look at it, this could either be to continue to line their pockets or to give these teams practice on playing the MCG which is where the Grand Final is played obviously. It only happens this way, they don't swap teams who's home ground is the G, just for the hell of it.
So what happens if the 4 teams who have home finals are all meant to be at the G? You obviously give priority to those who have finished higher on the ladder and thus have earnt the right not to get screwed over by fixturing dilemmas like this. How many people will go to the game in completely irrelevant. If a team has one member yet they finish top and their home ground is the G, that is where they should play.
Now of course we know that Vlad and his cabana boys aren't overly concerned with the integrity of the game so who knows what would happen if this situation does arise.
.....and the bolded statement is completely nonsensical
If the ladder was to stay the way it is now then it should be like this for the first week of finals.
Friday Night
Geelong vs Sydney @ MCG
Saturday Afternoon
Richmond vs Port Adelaide @ Etihad Stadium
Saturday Night
Collingwood vs Essendon @ MCG
Sunday Afternoon
Hawthorn vs Fremantle @ MCG
If Carlton sneak in and Port go out. The fixture shouldn't change.
Friday Night
Geelong vs Sydney @ MCG
Saturday Afternoon
Richmond vs Port Adelaide @ Etihad Stadium
Saturday Night
Collingwood vs Essendon @ MCG
Sunday Afternoon
Hawthorn vs Fremantle @ MCG
If Carlton sneak in and Port go out. The fixture shouldn't change.
No way Hawthorn would play on the Sunday.
I just don't believe it will unfold that way. I think Hawthorn will get Friday night or Saturday. I don't think the number 1 team has been made to wait until Sunday for 4 years.
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