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Hawks Can't pull a crowd on their own
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Does it matter who started the thread???????????? Its just a discussion, means nothing.
When you make a ridiculous assertion such as the Dogs have as many fans going to games as Hawthorn, when the figures point to a 9-10,000 difference between the clubs consistantly, what do you expect?
So far the only point you've made is that the Hawks drew a poor crowd in the middle of winter to a nothing game against an interstate side at an open venue?
Other then that, you've dodged the points made in the thread and accused fans of 'bringing up the past', bringing up you're 'financial situation' and 'getting personal'
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This thread is about Hawthorn can't draw a crowd on their own without the help of the big clubs, not about comparing to the bulldogs. You haven't proven anything.
So North and Melbourne are 'big clubs'?
North
Collingwood - 51900
Essendon - 48100
Hawthorn - 42508
Adelaide - 41383
Hawthorn - 39816
Richmond - 39292
Geelong - 38373
W Bulldogs - 34910
Fremantle - 34108
Sydney - 28393
Melbourne - 23437
Brisbane - 22118
St Kilda - 9128 (Carrara)
West Coast - 6354 (Carrara)
Melbourne
Collingwood - 59548 (Queens Birthday)
Carlton - 46478
Hawthorn - 41385
Hawthorn - 40141
Adelaide - 35649
St Kilda - 27854
W Bulldogs - 27821
Richmond - 27348
Geelong - 23574
North Melb - 23427
Brisbane - 23278
Brisbane - 22878
Fremantle - 19423
Sydney - 11437 (Manuka)
memberforever said:
Right...
To be fair memberforever, the person who made the thread a comparison with the dogs was you.
I should also note that back when we played the Eagles people thought it could potentially be a competitive match. Whereas by round 14 the Eagles had absolutely no chance.
err...why drag Melbourne into this?
We've got 29k+ members which is a fantastic result considering how bad we've been over the last couple of years. Sure a crowd 23k against Brisbane is not great but it could have been much worse, i think the Melbourne fans have stood by our club alot better that the general consensus was at the begining of the year
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do you see any of the irony in this? Do i really have to pull out stats to show you that we have alot mor0e supporters than the bulldogs do?
The crowd on friday night was pretty poor, i can't protect that, but to bag us for a problem that the bulldogs are recognized for is just sheer stupidity.
No one's dragging Melbourne into this at all.
I'm just pointing out the flaws in memberforever's argument, using Melbourne and North (or 4/8 of our Melb based games for the year) as a reference
Is 30k on a cold winters night against an undermanned 2nd from bottom interstate team that bad??
Just a tick under 50,000 to a game against Sydney (admittedly with a sizable following in Victoria) on a cold Sunday afternoon, the biggest crowd in the 1pm Sunday timeslot since 1999.
Meanwhile the Western Bulldogs vs. Melbourne drew 27,446 to go with its 27,821 earlier this year (compared to 40,141 and 41,285)
You were saying memberforever?
Meanwhile the Western Bulldogs vs. Melbourne drew 27,446 to go with its 27,821 earlier this year (compared to 40,141 and 41,285)
You were saying memberforever?
- Jul 14, 2007
- 3,836
- 2,287
- AFL Club
- Carlton
WOW. A game where 3rd played 4th drew a decent size crowd.
Everyone knows that the hawks play the smallest drawing clubs in tasse and then talk about their home ground averages in melbourne.
Now they are boasting about a crowd just under 50k at the G, played out by 2 top 4 sides......(and dont forget the swannies have the biggest melbourne following of any interstate team)
WOW. A game where 3rd played 4th drew a decent size crowd.
Everyone knows that the hawks play the smallest drawing clubs in tasse and then talk about their home ground averages in melbourne.
Now they are boasting about a crowd just under 50k at the G, played out by 2 top 4 sides......(and dont forget the swannies have the biggest melbourne following of any interstate team)
That's why in the two seasons preceding this one, we played Richmond and Geelong down in Tassie. Go figure.
WOW. A game where 3rd played 4th drew a decent size crowd.
Everyone knows that the hawks play the smallest drawing clubs in tasse and then talk about their home ground averages in melbourne.
Now they are boasting about a crowd just under 50k at the G, played out by 2 top 4 sides......(and dont forget the swannies have the biggest melbourne following of any interstate team)
50,000 was an excellent attendance for a Sunday game, with another game on at the TD.
Biggest Home and Away Swans crowds since they relocated to Sydney (outside Sydney)
Hawthorn V Sydney - 72,130 (1999)*
Essendon V Sydney - 69,237 (1996)
Collingwood V Sydney - 64,645 (2007)
Essendon V Sydney - 62,866 (1997)
Collingwood V Sydney - 57,894 (1998)
Essendon V Sydney - 50,324 (1998)
Hawthorn V Sydney - 49,470 (2008)
Hawthorn V Sydney - 48,398 (2007)
Adelaide V Sydney - 46,945 (2006)
FWIW, the best Richmond has drawn against the Swans is 40,462 and Carlton 36,790
Collingwood and Essendon are the only clubs in the league that have drawn 50,000+ supporters to home games against Sydney - Waverley farewell aside (Carlton having played them at Princes Park for the majority could explain their poorer attendances) though Hawthorn have come close in successive games over the last 2 years.
We're miles off Collingwood, Essendon and Carlton, we all know that, but for a club that supposedly can't draw a crowd and signs pets up for members we do alright, much, much better then most people give us credit for.
No one is claiming the Hawks attendances are the best, but if you're talking about comparing attendances of a club playing 11 home games at the MCG against clubs playing games at Skilled Stadium and in Tasmania of course its going to make a sizable difference. The fact that we've played/will play Brisbane, Geelong, Bulldogs (top 3 clash), North (top 4 clash) and Richmond in Tasmania while at the same time playing West Coast (x2) Sydney (4th vs. 14th at the time) lays claim to the fact that we don't always play our lowest drawing games in Tasmania.
Whether or not there were 10-15000 Swans supporters there or not, is mot, as illustrated above it's still the 6th largest Victorian Sydney crowd ever and the biggest not involving Collingwood and Essendon (Waverley game aside)
For comparison sake Carlton (who have a bigger support base then Hawthorn) and St Kilda (who have a bigger support base then Sydney) drew 55,000 to their Friday Night quasi Elimination Final, a great crowd, like today.
My point is, clearly the poster who posted this thread has been proven wrong in his observation, just a round after posting it.
Nobody can pull a crowd on their own. If a second side didn't turn up, there'd be no game.
Richmond and Carlton just don't seem to understand how insignificant they really are.
LOL, a hawk supporter saying how insignificant Richmond & Carlton are. At least 15,000 swans supporters there today, plus the few thousand neutrals that would of gone, 3rd V 4th on the ladder & u've lost 2 games for the season. Nothing special at all at that figure. Where were the hawk supportes last round when only 29,000 turned up against the Eagles?
GO TIGES!!!
Were you there or obviously just guessing?
Fact is, its the 6th largest non Sydney based Sydney Swans game ever - the largest non Collingwood/Essendon crowd. Comfortably better then any Richmond/Sydney ever (9000+ in fact)
Were there '15000 Swans supporters + neutrals' when Richmond played Sydney or do Swans fans only rock up when it suits you?
Hawthorn vs. Sydney - 49570 (15000+ Swans fans + 35000 Hawthorn and neutral fans)
Richmond Vs. Sydney (in Melbourne)
2007 - 37985 (15000+ Swans fans + 22000 Richmond and neutral fans)
2006 - 36477 (15000+ Swans fans + 21000 Richmond and neutral fans)
2005 - 34572 (15000+ Swans fans + 19000 Richmond fans and neutrals)*
2004 - 29111 (15000+ Swans fans + 14000 Richmond fans and neutrals)
2003 - 34569 (15000+ Swans fans + 19000 Richmond and neutral fans)*
2002 - 29303 (15000+ Swans fans + 14000 Richmond and neutral fans)
2001 - 37411 (15000+ Swans fans + 23000 Richmond and neutral fans)*
Just to make a point, the last time Richmond played finals and the 'army' came out in force, they played West Coast and drew 25826 (4000 less then Hawthorn's infamous poor turnout last week) the week before playing Essendon in front of 77,870 - where were the Tiger fans?
*2001 - 5th vs. 7th on Saturday Afternoon (37411)
* 2003 - 6th vs. 7th on Saturday Night (34549)
*2005 - 5th vs. 7th on Saturday Afternoon (34572)
In comparison;
Hawthorn V Sydney
*2008 - 3rd vs. 4th in the early Sunday slot (lowest drawing timeslot) 49570
*2007 - 3rd s. 6th on Saturday Afternoon 48398
GO TIGERS!
We've been consistently drawing good crowds for a while over-all.
Last week was an exception, and I can see why Hawkk has bumped this thread, because it hasn't been the norm for us over recent times, and was based purely on 1 example.
Last week was an exception, and I can see why Hawkk has bumped this thread, because it hasn't been the norm for us over recent times, and was based purely on 1 example.
Who givers a rats about crowds, its pathetic.
I think the numbers you have put forward Hawkk, should shut a few of em up.
As for the fact that 3rd v 4th should pull a good crowd, well it did, and against an interstate team. Hawthorn had 48398 against the Swans at the MCG in 07.
It's quite ironic a Carlton supporter would criticise the Hawks for crowd numbers considering how highly they rank themselves. Only 5 times in 07 did they have a figure higher than the Hawks attendance today. And then it was playing Richmond, Collingwood twice Essendon and Hawthorn. There highest attendance against an interstate side in Melbourne was against Port Adelaide with 29678. This year they only managed 41000 against Adelaide at the MCG.
Richmond don't fare any better. Their best Melbourne attendance against an interstate side in 07 was Sydney with 37985. Take the 15000 Swans supporters out and it looks a bit sad. This year they have only played Adelaide in Melbourne and could only manage 32767.
As for the fact that 3rd v 4th should pull a good crowd, well it did, and against an interstate team. Hawthorn had 48398 against the Swans at the MCG in 07.
It's quite ironic a Carlton supporter would criticise the Hawks for crowd numbers considering how highly they rank themselves. Only 5 times in 07 did they have a figure higher than the Hawks attendance today. And then it was playing Richmond, Collingwood twice Essendon and Hawthorn. There highest attendance against an interstate side in Melbourne was against Port Adelaide with 29678. This year they only managed 41000 against Adelaide at the MCG.
Richmond don't fare any better. Their best Melbourne attendance against an interstate side in 07 was Sydney with 37985. Take the 15000 Swans supporters out and it looks a bit sad. This year they have only played Adelaide in Melbourne and could only manage 32767.
Good old memberforever. 23 threads about how crap Hawthorn and Hawthorn related football is. WooHoo. Two Melbourne clubs get less than 28k to their game. Close to the lowest fan base ever. Go Doggies.
Yeah we got 32,767 coming off an 80 point thumping to Sydney sitting 13th on the ladder. Not to mention being spooners last year. Not that bad considering those facts. Hawks on the other hand couldn't even manage 30,000 the week before against WCE, friday night at the G, 3rd on the ladder, team rocking, coming off a semi-final last year. If it were the other way around, and the Tigers were sitting 3rd and hawks 12th....hmmm...enough said.
GO TIGES!!!
Yet Richmond-West Coast in 2001 (the last time the 'army' was out in force) could only conjure 25826 despite drawing 69000 against Collingwood two weeks before and 77000 against Essendon two weeks after.
Also, given that supposedly '15000+ Swans supporters turn up to games', Sydney have potentially outdrawn 'Richmond fans' in no less then 4 of the last 8 games between the clubs, some 'Big 4'
Ironically Richmond were 3rd at the time they played West Coast and 4th when they played Essendon in 2001, like I said, the last time the 'army' was out in force
Richmond also drew 37411 against Sydney in 2001
GO TIGES!!!
Also, given that supposedly '15000+ Swans supporters turn up to games', Sydney have potentially outdrawn 'Richmond fans' in no less then 4 of the last 8 games between the clubs, some 'Big 4'
Ironically Richmond were 3rd at the time they played West Coast and 4th when they played Essendon in 2001, like I said, the last time the 'army' was out in force
Richmond also drew 37411 against Sydney in 2001
GO TIGES!!!
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