Autopsy Hawks vs Buddy Boy and the COLA kids

[becalm]

Can you believe it, Laidlier the coward gets away with a reprimand for smashing Gunston in the guts behind the play al la barry hall in the 2005 prelim. What will it take for the AFL to suspend a swines player. Well that sets a precedent Hodgey can go around behind play and start belting their players, let Malceski be the first to hit the ground for mine.

Can anyone remember the last time a Swan's player got suspended, I can't. Maybe someone would have that information. The last I can remember was Barry Hall. Pity. They could have pleaded insufficient contact.

 

[becalm]

Absolutely. The courage he shows when he has confidence in his body is monumental, he is actually one of, if not the smartest footballer on our list and I know people may raise their eyebrows but if you watch Stratts when he doesn't have the footy he is brilliant, even in one on ones he has these little deft toe pokes or touches that win him contest after contest. A very very good footballer, and one you can only really appreciate when you're at the game and watching him closely.

There were some last week who wanted him playing at Box Hill.

 

[Steven Tyler]

Gary Lyon falls into the trap that amateur mouthpieces do; fails to attribute any of the $tains midfield's poor performances to the pressure applied to them by their opposite numbers i.e. we didn't let them run amok. If Sydney played on the MCG with no midfield opponents, they'd win every game.

He's right about shutting down Suckling. But we've got Birch and others, plus Mitch/Hodge/Burgers to distribute the ball off half back if a defensive tag is applied to Suckling.

In other words, Lyon said if you don't bother shutting down the Swans midfield, and let the Swans shut down every one of your half backs, and the umpires let your defenders scrag and maul the Hawthorn forwards until their bruised and bleeding, you've got upside.

Hey Garr-rry, you want upside? Stick this fist upside your backside: that oughtta shut you up, you cheerleading campaigner.

I took his Suckling remarks to mean opposition teams must play through Sucklings man, not to apply a defensive tag, but I could be wrong

 

[BOP66]

Want a huge laugh guys go to the period stains board. Absolutely hilarious the excuses on how we got beat, Hodgey the AFL's biggest sniper etc etc. Gee the're a huge bunch of front bum sooks.
Can't wait to beat them in September, which apparently they think they'll account for us easily.
To stick it up the AFL this year would be so so sweet. Go Hawks.

 

[QuietB]

I took his Suckling remarks to mean opposition teams must play through Sucklings man, not to apply a defensive tag, but I could be wrong

How does Sydney play through Sucklings man? Sucklings man was sucked into the midfield about 2 seconds after shaking Sucklings hand and hasn't been seen since.

 

[jd1991]

Yes your correct. I am not knocking Shoe as a backman . I believe he was first and foremost in his past a forward, he has been needed in the back line with Gibbo gone , Lake out and Guerra retired. So yes I think he does a great job as a backman , but with a full list of fellows, he would do well up forward , but yes a bit hard judgement on Shoe , he does things people don't see properly and the results aren't credited to him. A lot of backmen go unsung.

If we looked at the side in reality, Shoemaker is ahead of Spangher. Spangher is a cult figure and Shoe is a wipping boy. So we (collective not individually) as the hawk supporters see Spangher in the light of glass half full and Shoe as glass half empty.

I would say at this point Shoe would be selected both as a fwd and back in front of Spangher(and many will prob disagree). In fact as a stopper Shoe this year (only this year) would even be ahead of Stratton.
Stratton when we look at his career over the years is a better back, but this year with Strattons interrupted preseason and stop start year has been battling with form (which I believe is a direct correlation to the afore-mentioned drop off), once he gets back to an uninterrupted preseason he will be back to his best.

When we talk about the structure of the side - shoe is actually very important - more so than his output - with the genuine swingman option that he brings.

 

[Holy Rioli]

According to Garry Lyon.
And according to Terry Wallace, the Hawks are better placed and have more upside than the Swans.

Opinion pieces, that's all..
IMO, I THINK WE ARE BETTER PLACED..

I think we are screwed - this guy is an ex footballer with a brilliant football mind. He also hired Mark Neeld.

 

[Maybloomer]

How was brooosts touchdown from birches big roost

Fast becoming my favourite player. Courageous, marks like he's 6'2", has amazing strength and timing to avoid tackles and apply Dont Argues and finds gaps where there ain't any. One passage of play in the 1st qtr just blew me away and led to a Roughie missed shot at goal. The side-on shot showed him running between 2 Swans but the shot from behind it was poetry, a burst of speed through an opening that just wasn't there. The commentators quaffle on about his Rugby background, but by jeez they might be right.

 

[seysearles]

Fast becoming my favourite player. Courageous, marks like he's 6'2", has amazing strength and timing to avoid tackles and apply Dont Argues and finds gaps where there ain't any. One passage of play in the 1st qtr just blew me away and led to a Roughie missed shot at goal. The side-on shot showed him running between 2 Swans but the shot from behind it was poetry, a burst of speed through an opening that just wasn't there. The commentators quaffle on about his Rugby background, but by jeez they might be right.

 

[Dinner Plate]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

There's gold in them there hills, seysearles

GOLD, I TELLS YA!

 

[HR Roughnstuf]

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Imagine the rewards the $wans could have reaped if they actually invested in their own states AFL development.

Instead they will try to steal him with a $20 million 15 year deal.

 

[kimbopen]

Imagine the rewards the $wans could have reaped if they actually invested in their own states AFL development.

Instead they will try to steal him with a $20 million 15 year deal.

Don't give them any ideas, mate! ;-p

 

[cryptor]

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If he really is 184cm he's deceptively tall. Would've thought he was closer to just pushing 180cm.

 

[Harper_Hawk]

This may have been asked before. Why do the Swans need an academy when they have Hawthorn? Top 3 of the 4 disposal collectors from Saturday's game were ex Hawks. Culture.

 

[blue harvest]

Just watched a bit of the replay.

Think Hill probably should have been pinged, wasn't a trip. However about 2 seconds before that Breust was clearly held by 2 Swans players in the marking contest so he should have been lining up for a set shot - I bet the Swannies aren't talking about that bit. In fact I think the ump may have let the Hill tackle go as a bit of a payback for not giving Breust the free. Then to top it all off number 40 stepped on Hill's head, causing him to go off with the blood rule, so that could easily have been a free for high contact.

Also noticed we got a number of goals from long kicks to a contest - think we should do it more often.

 

[badgrill]

I'll spell it out for those still struggling.























C U next Tuesday.

My old band had a song called "See You in the Northern Territory".

 

[cryptor]

Just watched a bit of the replay.

Think Hill probably should have been pinged, wasn't a trip. However about 2 seconds before that Breust was clearly held by 2 Swans players in the marking contest so he should have been lining up for a set shot - I bet the Swannies aren't talking about that bit. In fact I think the ump may have let the Hill tackle go as a bit of a payback for not giving Breust the free. Then to top it all off number 40 stepped on Hill's head, causing him to go off with the blood rule, so that could easily have been a free for high contact.

Also noticed we got a number of goals from long kicks to a contest - think we should do it more often.

The Sydney tackler knocked Hill around the hip/thigh causing him to fall and he barely had one hand on Hill when they actually ended up on the ground. The tackle didn't stick hence it wasn't paid and Hill had the opportunity to get a handball out. If they'd been quicker to wrap him back up he would've been pinged immediately. Wasn't a trip and wasn't a good enough tackle to be paid HTB. Right decision by the umpire and I doubt the thought process was let that go for a free they didn't pay a little earlier. If they noticed there was a free they should've paid at the time they would've just paid it at the time. They would've simply missed it like they do plenty of others.

 

[blue harvest]

The Sydney tackler knocked Hill around the hip/thigh causing him to fall and he barely had one hand on Hill when they actually ended up on the ground. The tackle didn't stick hence it wasn't paid and Hill had the opportunity to get a handball out. If they'd been quicker to wrap him back up he would've been pinged immediately. Wasn't a trip and wasn't a good enough tackle to be paid HTB. Right decision by the umpire and I doubt the thought process was let that go for a free they didn't pay a little earlier. If they noticed there was a free they should've paid at the time they would've just paid it at the time. They would've simply missed it like they do plenty of others.

Actually after having another look I think you're right. Had a hand on his upper leg which brought him down but he didn't really hold him in a tackle which you need to do to get HTB. I still think though that sometimes the umps hedge their bets when there are 2 decisions very close to each other, it would have been very hard not to see the holds on Breust, I suspect the ump was too piss weak to pay that free in front of goal in a close finish and this may have helped in the Hill decision which many umps would have pinged him for.

 

[cryptor]

Actually after having another look I think you're right. Had a hand on his upper leg which brought him down but he didn't really hold him in a tackle which you need to do to get HTB. I still think though that sometimes the umps hedge their bets when there are 2 decisions very close to each other, it would have been very hard not to see the holds on Breust, I suspect the ump was too piss weak to pay that free in front of goal in a close finish and this may have helped in the Hill decision which many umps would have pinged him for.

I agree a lot of umps are less willing to pay the frees close to goal late in a tight game (Cyril tackle 2nd game against Geelong 2012?). It's possible if the Hill one had occurred on the wing it might've been paid which I believe would've been wrong but I doubt it would have been put under the microscope like this one was due to the location so no one would probably notice. I also didn't notice the Breust hold for what it's worth so can't comment on that.

I think it's understandable that Sydney fans would be having a sook about some of these umpiring decisions they perceive to have gone against them. We'd probably be making a bigger deal of the ones that went against us if we'd lost (Goodes' first goal immediately following the Richards illegal disposal at the boundary, Buddy pushing in the back in marking contests not paid, soft "fell in the back" frees being paid for forward floppers like McVeigh all game, your Breust holding in front of goal, the buggered up goal review, etc.). Thankfully we won so we don't need to obsess about them for the next 3 weeks and instead can get on and enjoy life.

 

[HR Roughnstuf]

I love it how the Mc$wans bandwagoners think that they were particularly inaccurate on Saturday night and that it won't happen in finals so they are a shoe in.

$wans 2014 season have kicked 237.171 - 58.1%
Round 18 13.16 - 44.8%,
-13.3% on season average

Hawks 2014 season have kicked 289.149 - 66.0%
Round 18 15.14 - 51.7%
-14.3% on season average

Hawks were more inaccurate than $wans on Saturday night, we have more upside. This is what happens when you pay millions to unreliable set shots Tippett and Franklin and direct 80% on inside 50's too them. $wans are becoming more predictable by the week.

$wans inaccuracy will cost then in September, bookmark it.

 

[smeltitdeltit]

According to Garry Lyon.
And according to Terry Wallace, the Hawks are better placed and have more upside than the Swans.

Opinion pieces, that's all..
IMO, I THINK WE ARE BETTER PLACED..

Its farkin bizarre.

A show with two panelists are split over who has more upside, yet the title of the video is "Swans have more upside".
Its like Damien flipping a coin and getting heads, Lyon flips one an gets tails and the video called "Coin toss-Tails never fails"

 

[smeltitdeltit]

The Sydney tackler knocked Hill around the hip/thigh causing him to fall and he barely had one hand on Hill when they actually ended up on the ground. The tackle didn't stick hence it wasn't paid and Hill had the opportunity to get a handball out. If they'd been quicker to wrap him back up he would've been pinged immediately. Wasn't a trip and wasn't a good enough tackle to be paid HTB. Right decision by the umpire and I doubt the thought process was let that go for a free they didn't pay a little earlier. If they noticed there was a free they should've paid at the time they would've just paid it at the time. They would've simply missed it like they do plenty of others.

Also didn't see any Sydney players having a whinge about not paying HTB. But I suppose McGlyn apparently almost has a teary after kicking goals, so their reactions may be hard to judge.

 

[Argy]

Yeah, I went to the toilet and then grabbed another beer.

Did you leave your seat?

 

[MinerBoy]

Did you leave your seat?

For the beer? Sure.

 

[Agent Smith]

I love it how the Mc$wans bandwagoners think that they were particularly inaccurate on Saturday night and that it won't happen in finals so they are a shoe in.

$wans 2014 season have kicked 237.171 - 58.1%
Round 18 13.16 - 44.8%,
-13.3% on season average

Hawks 2014 season have kicked 289.149 - 66.0%
Round 18 15.14 - 51.7%
-14.3% on season average

Hawks were more inaccurate than $wans on Saturday night, we have more upside. This is what happens when you pay millions to unreliable set shots Tippett and Franklin and direct 80% on inside 50's too them. $wans are becoming more predictable by the week.

$wans inaccuracy will cost then in September, bookmark it.

No doubt. We swapped Franklin's kicking for goal last September with Gunners taking shots instead, and voila... instant premiership. Just add water from opposition tears.