News Hawthorn Racism Scandal

[Festerz]

I beg to differ. It's done precisely what it was set up to do.

Quite right Mr Clifford. Quite right.

 

[Festerz]

They are free to explore other, non AFL, avenues now. The while article and blurb sounded like spin to me.

The AFL statement makes an explicit reference on this - that the complainants do not want 'to make any claims against the AFL in any process including the Human Rights Commission'.

The AFL have shut this down nice and tight from my reading. 'How' is the obvious question that follows.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

 

[portly]

Yep, under the rug, it didn't happen, nothing to see here, go away problem.

I'm interested to know how the Indigenous members of the committee feel right now.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

 

[Grave Danger]

Hawthorn must've got the heads up a few days back and their CEO jumped out of the way of the bus the AFL has thrown them under.

 

[Festerz]

You think they want them to ever do it again?

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Note that the only party involved in this saga who Gil has not exonerated is the Hawthorn Football Club. Sanctions against them are still a distinct possibility.

The lesson to other footy clubs who dare to to go on a truth telling exercise with their past Indigenous players to improve future behaviours is pretty clear isn't it?

'Don't Ask' 'Don't Tell' is the lesson from this for all AFL clubs.

 

[VineValerian]

Investigation ends, no charges laid.

'Imperfect resolution' as Hawks probe ends, no one charged

So the complainants can go to Court or a Human Rights tribunal.
But not sure the AFL?
Sounds fair to me.

So did the complainants then actually lie?
Are they really happy to sign off this report?
So many unanswered questions still

 

[StrappingTape]

They've been looking for an out to avoid the potential defamation action coming once it was clear that the coaches wouldn't agree to a mediation. I don't think it'll work, it's clear Clarkson especially needs to as just judging by these this thread there's no way they are ever getting their reputations back while again. I'd assume the ABC is gonna be first with the added bonus of bottomless pockets.

 

[Duck Farmer]

Not so much sweeping under the carpet as...

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Stephen Fry at a toga party?

 

[Duckimus Prime]

The AFL statement makes an explicit reference on this - that the complainants do not want 'to make any claims against the AFL in any process including the Human Rights Commission'.

The AFL have shut this down nice and tight from my reading. 'How' is the obvious question that follows.

Mark Robinson's immediate reaction to Whatley reading that out was that is wrong. And that the 4 families involved in the AFL's 'investigation' haven't signed and agreed with anything.

 

[ClintEastwood]

Yep. And maybe they weren't.

Did you not read the AFL statement or just miss the point?

No adverse findings were found against any of the individuals against whom allegations have been made. And why is that?

Because the AFL has reached an agreement with the Indigenous families to the effect that they do not wish to pursue the AFL independent panel investigation or pursue action against the AFL or coaches.

Nothing has been proved or disproved. Nothing. The investigation has failed to do what it was set up to do and has been closed down after an agreement was reached between the AFL and the Indigenous families.

Oh and btw- the coaches who have stated they haven't been given the chance to tell their side of the story- still haven't. And yet the inquiry is closed.

Bizarre.

Yep ... and we heard nothing on all of this for the better part of a year, and as SOON AS Clarkson walked out, magically the AFL jumped into action within a week.

And guess what? The families don't wish to pursue investigations.

Not sus in the slightest.

 

[Launchpad McQuack]

Had to wind it up, tormenting marginalised people really took a toll on poor cLaRkO.

 

[PowerBaz]

Sounds like the Hawks will cop it.

 

[PowerBaz]

Perhaps Clarko and Fagan might go after the Hawks?

 

[TazD]

Sounds like the Hawks will cop it.

How can Hawthorn cop it when nothing has happened ?

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Being reported this morning that some families were blindsided by the decision and may still pursue legal action.

Not quite as neatly tied up as Gil suggested.

 

[Papa G]

Sounds like the Hawks will cop it.

So I haven't really followed this particularly closely because it always seemed like a far fetched money grab, but in a nut shell: Some outrageous claims are made by some former no name indigenous players against some former Hawthorn coaching greats. Hawthorn shit themselves and hire a corrupt and biased indigenous chap to write a report taking in only one side of story from former disgruntled no name indigenous players. Hawthorn read report, shit themselves, hand report to AFL hoping all blame will be apportioned to former Club great coaches and Hawthorn would be absolved by being the ones to identify the "racism" and call it out.

After former coaches fiercely deny claims and refuse to give an inch in terms of validating or mediation, months go past, and with the realisation the claims against the coaches are at best unprovable, at worst complete bullshit, former coaches are exonerated completely.

Now for the AFL, the optics of this still look bad for them. The teeth gnashers who called for the former coaches to be hung drawn and quartered without due process, still need to be satisfied. The Zeitgeist clearly demands it. So who is left to blame? The answer is Hawthorn.

Talk about an own goal.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

Hawthorn could be stripped of draft picks and fined over its handling of its racism investigation with the AFL weighing up whether to charge the club for bringing the game into disrepute.
As the AFL terminated the independent investigation without laying charges against Alastair Clarkson, Chris Fagan or Jason Burt the league also dropped a potential bomb on the Hawks.

AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan said the club’s failure to give Clarkson, Fagan and Burt a right of reply would form the basis of a potential charge

 

[Enviable Tradition]

So the complainants can go to Court or a Human Rights tribunal.
But not sure the AFL?
Sounds fair to me.

So did the complainants then actually lie?
Are they really happy to sign off this report?
So many unanswered questions still

Nah the complainants just realised that the AFL process was pointless so they agreed to end it.

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[PowerBaz]

So I haven't really followed this particularly closely because it always seemed like a far fetched money grab, but in a nut shell: Some outrageous claims are made by some former no name indigenous players against some former Hawthorn coaching greats. Hawthorn s**t themselves and hire a corrupt and biased indigenous chap to write a report taking in only one side of story from former disgruntled no name indigenous players. Hawthorn read report, s**t themselves, hand report to AFL hoping all blame will be apportioned to former Club great coaches and Hawthorn would be absolved by being the ones to identify the "racism" and call it out.

After former coaches fiercely deny claims and refuse to give an inch in terms of validating or mediation, months go past, and with the realisation the claims against the coaches are at best unprovable, at worst complete bullshit, former coaches are exonerated completely.

Now for the AFL, the optics of this still look bad for them. The teeth gnashers who called for the former coaches to be hung drawn and quartered without due process, still need to be satisfied. The Zeitgeist clearly demands it. So who is left to blame? The answer is Hawthorn.

Talk about an own goal.

Maybe that’s who Clarko and Fagan will go after, seems like the Hawks dumped them in it.

Someone will wear this that’s for sure. Their reputations have been tarnished whether anything is true or not, can’t see them just walking away going ‘all done’.

 

[PowerBaz]

Reeks of Gil wanting to ride off into the sunset to hand over the keys to the next bloke.

 

[backtozero]

Hawthorn could be stripped of draft picks and fined over its handling of its racism investigation with the AFL weighing up whether to charge the club for bringing the game into disrepute.
As the AFL terminated the independent investigation without laying charges against Alastair Clarkson, Chris Fagan or Jason Burt the league also dropped a potential bomb on the Hawks.

AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan said the club’s failure to give Clarkson, Fagan and Burt a right of reply would form the basis of a potential charge

lol the old "bringing the game into disrepute"

Also Melbourne tanked, kind of but not really.

 

[raptalia]

Not going to get involved other than to say the issue has been resolved to the satisfaction of all parties.

Close this thread and move on.

 

[bomberclifford]

Hawthorn looks into its past record with indigenous players, found some issues that needed further investigation, uncovered some troublesome accusations against its former coaches, sent the report to the AFL, AFL leaked the report to the ABC, ABC publishes unsubstantiated accusations and names the coaches, AFL sets up an investigation that does nothing for 9 months, Clarkson steps down from his role as coach of North Melbourne due to the stress, 2 weeks later the AFL investigation reveals that there is nothing to see here and all parties are satisfied with that, complainants drop that they are prepared to take the issue to the Human Rights Commission, which now leaves Hawthorn, the original instigator of the report, the only party who is likely to be punished, even though Clarko, Fages, & Burto are innocent good guys and did nothing wrong.

How very V/AFL.