Headbutt on O'Keefe did HAPPEN

[D Mitchell]

Neither Quartermain nor his Irish counterpart saw the incident after which O'Keefe had a blood nose. Later in the commentary, Quartermain says that he understands that it came from a head butt, still later that became "there are reports" that there was a headbutt. The uncertainty hasn't worried contributors to this forum where the headbutt that Lockhart is supposed to have inflicted on O'Keefe is not only treated as fact but has extended into the plural.

 

[Blues_Man]

Neither Quartermain nor his Irish counterpart saw the incident after which O'Keefe had a blood nose. Later in the commentary, Quartermain says that he understands that it came from a head butt, still later that became "there are reports" that there was a headbutt. The uncertainty hasn't worried contributors to this forum where the headbutt that Lockhart is supposed to have inflicted on O'Keefe is not only treated as fact but has extended into the plural.

Yup ..in fact i heard a rumour that O'keefe headbutted himself ....and Gilbee kneed himself in the head ..and Lappin also kneed himself in the back ( see a patten developing here ? ) ..and Brown kicked himself in the ribs forcing himself out of the game ....flexible lot our Aussie boys .

 

[Toots Hibbert]

aussietorrents.com will tell you to get it from diwana i think

Cheers mate. Interested to hear Irish commentary.

 

[OzzieInIreland]

You could only assure us all if you not only saw it but had a clear view of it because you would have been some distance away and it possibly occurred in a mellee. The trouble with seeing something from a distance is that you can get it wrong so easily. How often have you watched something then seen a replay and it looks very different ? I saw Grinter’s punch on Wallace from ground level on the members wing at the Western Oval but my attention was really on the play and the ball, not Grinter and Wallace. My first impression was that it was accidental and in play ! The replay showed circumstances entirely different. Unfortunately for this debate, it wasn’t shown on television. It wouldn’t surprise me if Lockhart did because O’Keefe plays an in your face game against the Irish (he doesn’t against AFL players) but if it did, I’d bet it occurred because O’Keefe was in Lockhart’s face. I'd also bet that O'Keefe was careful not to get into anyone's face after that. I’d be interested in your account however what worries me about it would be how you describe events that were on TV being

(a) the Irish player flying in with the knees on the Aussie player on the ground.. Assuming you mean O’Mahoney on Lappin, the vision shows that O’Mahoney landed on Lappins back at the end of a spoiling contest. Your account suggests that Lappin was lying on the ground and O’Mahoney flew in and hit him with his knees;

(b) The next offense was again by an Irish player (Shane Ryan) who went in with the boot on an Aussie on the ground. The vision shows the ball in contest. Ryan attempted to kick it off the ground with his left foot to his (Ryan’s) right. Brown tried to either stoop to pick it up or to dive on it. When Ryan’s foot struck Brown, the latter was still on his feet. Your account suggests that Brown was on the ground and that Ryan simply kicked him.

Anyone reading or listening to your account of a headbutt you claim to have seen would be entitled to be skeptical.

Ok, so if the Irish pundits on RTE saw it, it obviously didn't happen eh? Get a life

 

[OzzieInIreland]

Neither Quartermain nor his Irish counterpart saw the incident after which O'Keefe had a blood nose. Later in the commentary, Quartermain says that he understands that it came from a head butt, still later that became "there are reports" that there was a headbutt. The uncertainty hasn't worried contributors to this forum where the headbutt that Lockhart is supposed to have inflicted on O'Keefe is not only treated as fact but has extended into the plural.

Load of Sh|te, Colm O'Rourke (or RTE) said he saw the head butt several times during the quarter breaks and other people agree with him. FFS, I can name the offending player, position on the ground and the minute it occured in.

 

[deck]

I don't know why people are blaming the Irish. It is not like Irish people in general have a history of being violent

 

[D Mitchell]

Load of Sh|te, Colm O'Rourke (or RTE) said he saw the head butt .

So you didn't see it after all, you are relying upon something you heard on the radio or TV from either Colm O'Rourke or RTE, yet you can "assure" us that it occurred. Despite all the confident assertions of the dastardly deed of head butting and that it occurred more than once that have appeared in this and other threads, none of them can claim to have seen it. Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to say that Lockhart didn't headbutt O'Keefe, I don't know, but I am querying the confident assertions on this board that he did and particularly the assertions that there were multiple headbutts. For all I know, there may have been but I didn't see any and nobody else appears to have, you included, other than some RTE pundits discussing the incident.

 

[Ealesy]

Don't see you having a go at the Irish supporters who are "assuring" us that Danyle Pearce deliberately targeted Geraghty and took him out of the game under instructions from the coaches.

Of course they know what instructions Kevin Sheedy gave the team and also what was going on in Danyle Pearce's head when he laid the tackle!!!

Of course Danyle Pearce claims that he didn't even know it was Geraghty that he had tackled until after it was completed. However, the Irish can "assure" us he did and deliberately smashed his head into the ground because he's a dirty thug, looking for payback for his great mate Lindsay Gilbee!!

 

[D Mitchell]

Don't see you having a go at the Irish supporters who are "assuring" us that Danyle Pearce deliberately targeted Geraghty and took him out of the game under instructions from the coaches.

Ozzieinireland is the only one who has assured us of anything. He at least was at the game. In another thread, another poster with a female sounding name "guaranteed" us that the AFL boys didn't target anyone and she hadn't even watched it on television !

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

It was me, and that's the only part of my post that you could deal with.

I say that because it just doesnt happen. Lindsay Gilbee spouts off in an interview about his injury. Do you think if Sheedy had come up with such a strategic plan, they would be blabbing about it in the media?? It's just Gilbee trying to make himself feel better about being a pussy!

All talk, and I'm also certain that when making a decision over who was to do the 'taking out', D. Pearce would be right down the back of the line.

I am sick of trying to get some sense through your thick Irish skull!

So Irish commentators are now biased aganst their own? Not just the referees, but everyone! All but Sean Boylan and a few true patriots, who will whinge and whine until those dirty Aussies heads drop off from boredom.

 

[Valve Bounce]

This is degenerating into a "she says".... "he says" argument/discussion.

Can we all agree that the Aussis abused themselves and that the Irish are not to blame?

Who the bloody hell cares??

 

[Milkman]

I say that because it just doesnt happen.

Tell that to Ben Cousins. He was lined up off the ball almost on a weekly basis. Coaches had clearly instructed players to take him out.

That being said, Geraghty wasn't targetted. Standard tackle.

 

[D Mitchell]

It was me, and that's the only part of my post that you could deal with.

I say that because it just doesnt happen....

I took you up on 2 points only in your 3 posts. The first was guaranteeing a position to be true that you have no knowledge of than your belief and the second was the factually incorrect assumption that Geraghty made an admission he didn't make.

 

[coyler]

Lads the facts are -
1) The Aussies started it - even befoire the ball was thrown in.
2) Some of the Irish responses matched the Ausies in thuggery - i.e. the head butt.
3) The Irish Interchange was reduced to 2/3 people by the end of the first quarter with the targeting of their key players among them Kennelly (Kicked in the kidneys by club mate Barry Hall) & Begley.
4) After that Irish players were using 'wing mirrors and self preservation and the need to work the following week guided their actions.
5) The completly different standards and expectations on what constitutes good sportsmanship mean that the series now has no future,
6) Anybody who knows Boylan knows that above all he is neither a whinger or bad looser. He said on Irish radio on Friday night that what annoyed him most was that he had been fooled by what Sheedy had said about playing by the rules and the failure of the umpires to infirce them. He also found it very sad that there was not one friendship or aquantence formed between the teams and that Aussie guys had no trouble illegally taking out team mates on the other side. He was not hopeful for the contiunuation of the series.
7) Australia would have won without the roughing up process. A fact Boylan was happy to acknowledge,

 

[RememberMe]

4) After that Irish players were using 'wing mirrors and self preservation and the need to work the following week guided their actions.

If that's what the Irish think, then they truly are the most spineless gutless ********s on the planet. Here are my facts.
1. I play football
2. I don't get paid thousands of dollars to do so
3. I never pull out of a contest, or engage in 'self preservation' as u call it. I put my head over the football and go as hard as physically possible. If I get hurt, then so be it. That is the sacrifice I make when I choose to play a contact sport.

I think these three points sum up the majority of football players in Australia, as believe it or not, we're not all professionals you rabbit. You'd think if somebody was playing for their country, they would be less inclined to give a half-hearted effort. And horse ******** if you expect me to believe they weren't getting paid enough to make it worth their while to put their bodies on the line.

Gutless wonders. The whole lot of u. Stop making excuses for your pathetic performance in the IR series.

 

[D Mitchell]

3. I never pull out of a contest, or engage in 'self preservation' as u call it. I put my head over the football and go as hard as physically possible. If I get hurt, then so be it. That is the sacrifice I make when I choose to play a contact sport.....

A model of courage, not to mention modesty. I imagine you don't play against hardened professionals who want to impose themselves upon you, hang the consequences because there are none.

 

[bugsy]

6) Anybody who knows Boylan knows that above all he is neither a whinger or bad looser. He said on Irish radio on Friday night that what annoyed him most was that he had been fooled by what Sheedy had said about playing by the rules and the failure of the umpires to infirce them. He also found it very sad that there was not one friendship or aquantence formed between the teams and that Aussie guys had no trouble illegally taking out team mates on the other side. He was not hopeful for the contiunuation of the series.
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sounds just like what a whinger and a bad loser would say.

 

[Ted Ed Fred]

Are the ultra biased Irish STILL whinging about this and refusing to accept blame?

FACT: Our players, including Voss were targetting for niggle and cheap shots as soon as they came out on the ground. WATCH the game and you'll see this is true. Voss responded to it and not long after was punched in the back of the head. Even with the Chris Johnson brawl last year (even though I don't agree with what he did at all and thought it was very bad) if you watch the footage the 3 Micks in question were starting on Johnson and niggling him then went down like sacks of potatoes when they got their own back

If the series ends it will be because of the difference in cultures and what is accepted as fair. In Ireland it's ok to punch in the back of the head, knee in the back and kick the legs of players, while in Australia those sort of cheap shots are rightly viewed as being dirty and completely unsporting.

And don't get me started on the 'Pearce targetted Geraty' BS! This is a 19 year old twig we're talking about. Finished - End of!

 

[RememberMe]

A model of courage, not to mention modesty. I imagine you don't play against hardened professionals who want to impose themselves upon you, hang the consequences because there are none.

I can guarantee you that I play against harder men than the likes of Aaron Davey and Danyle Pearce. I can also guarantee you that the likes of the opposition most Australians play football against would be more likely to 'attempt to impose themselves,' than professionals, who no doubt, would be more concerned about the ball than the man. The kind of players who go the man, rather than the ball, generally don't make it past the lower grades of football.

What I mention is not displaying rare courage. Every single Australian Rules Footballer who steps on the park is doing so, knowing full well that they are putting their body on the line. All but a select few have jobs to go to the next week. If players do as the Irish did, and pull out because they don't want to get hurt, they will be ridiculed and harrassed to their grave. End of story.

D.Mitchell, you have just about become the laughing stock of this board, and I suggest you stop attempting to flog a dead horse.

 

[D Mitchell]

using 'wing mirrors and

I've seen that phrase used a few times now and on the GAA Board too. It's meaning looks to be pretty obvious and has certainly been taken by some posters to be a synonym for cowardice. Does it have a meaning other than that ?

 

[RememberMe]

I've seen that phrase used a few times now and on the GAA Board too. It's meaning looks to be pretty obvious and has certainly been taken by some posters to be a synonym for cowardice. Does it have a meaning other than that ?

Meaning that the Australians intimidated the Irish to the point that they were more concerned about where the Australians were than where the ball was.

 

[D Mitchell]

The usual method applied by a team targetting a particular player is for everyone in the team to have a go at that player when the opportunity arises. If a player announced before the game that Geraghty was going to be given attention, he was jostled before the game started, players made a point of bumping into him or tackling his especially hard, which might be said of the Pearce sling, then that could indicate that he was targetted. Just because Pearce is one of the smaller Australian Internation Rules, there’s a picture of him in one of the threads sans shirt, he is pretty ripped and not that small, is inconclusive as to whether Geraghty was or wasn’t targetted.

 

[RememberMe]

Just because Pearce is one of the smaller Australian Internation Rules, there’s a picture of him in one of the threads sans shirt, he is pretty ripped and not that small, is inconclusive as to whether Geraghty was or wasn’t targetted.

Pearce is a runt. He could quite possibly wash away in the next rain storm.

 

[GoOsH1]

The usual method applied by a team targetting a particular player is for everyone in the team to have a go at that player when the opportunity arises. If a player announced before the game that Geraghty was going to be given attention, he was jostled before the game started, players made a point of bumping into him or tackling his especially hard, which might be said of the Pearce sling, then that could indicate that he was targetted. Just because Pearce is one of the smaller Australian Internation Rules, there’s a picture of him in one of the threads sans shirt, he is pretty ripped and not that small, is inconclusive as to whether Geraghty was or wasn’t targetted.

I honestly can't believe that you think that tackle was in any way intentionally attempting to hurt Geraghty, it's a standard tackle that you'd see in almost any afl game, 999 time out of a thousand the guy will get up uninjured. It is unfortunate the irish guy got hurt but it was an accident and nothing more, and I'm pretty sure you know it too.

 

[cavanmaniac]

Jesus is all this still going? D Mitchell I congratulate you for flying the flag so well when others, myself included, have long since given up in exasperation about ever convincing a single Aussie that their, ahem, 'sportsmen' ever ever ever do anything wrong. The Aussies accuse us of being biased and so on when in reality their own crazy positions they've adopted on this not only conjures up phrases like bias but for sheer bloody-mindedness would have you question their rational intelligence as well.

Consider this:
a. Sheedy has form for thuggery in his teams
b. they did it last year. what had been up to then largely clean series suddenly turned into a brawlfest as soon as Sheedy arrived. But the Irish started it last year too.
c. Sheedy conspicuously dodged all questions about physicality in the leadup to the game but Gilbee was kind enough to offer us an insight to the Aussie camp when he said there'd be 'open slather' and players were hoping Geraghty would play so he could "get his own"
d. Geraghty was targetted before throw in by a number of players
e. The players who had done well in first test were practically all mysteriously injured early on
f. Geraghty left the field unconscious after an, at-best, dubious tackle

In riposte, Ireland struck a headbutt and dropped the knees. But this was not in retaliation - oh no - nor was it a direct consequence of Aussie promises days before to ramp things up, or in readiness for Sheedy's all too predictable tactics. No way Jose, sure that was just idle gossiping and nothing to worry about.

Quite simply, Ireland went out to be thugs despite knowing they had no hope of prospering this way. Why? Because they're stupid thick Irish who thought they could whinge about it afterwards and paint the Aussies as bullies and get away with it.

You're fighting a losing battle D Mitchell, just be content that rational people everywhere know what really went down and leave these blinkered thick macho pricks to themselves because they deserve no better punishment than their own ridiculous company.

Ta-ra.