Henderson-What do we do ?

[Silvagnis]

Three games out of four has been poor as a fwd, played well against Bris who I doubt we will play in finals. Showed something as a defender, significant discussion.


Fitness should be fine by now.

No discussion.

Henderson is a forward who faced good opponents and shit delivery today. Henderson lead to a contest, but was blocked by Glass who allowed Mackenzie to mark Kreuzer's pass as the third man up. Their blocking of our forward's run and their defensive pressure was better than Carlton's. Our delivery gave our forwards no chance and few one out contests.

 

[Big Red is back]

No discussion.

Henderson is a forward who faced good opponents and shit delivery today. Henderson lead to a contest, but was blocked by Glass who allowed Mackenzie to mark Kreuzer's pass as the third man up. Their blocking of our forward's run and their defensive pressure was better than Carlton's. Our delivery gave our forwards no chance and few one out contests.

Rather than forever making excuses for Hendo how about you call it as it is.

We all prayed when we lost Fev that Hendo would be a star replacement, so far he is not looking anything like what we all hoped.

It is not to say he will not make it but gee wiz against the good sides and I include essendon in that when we played them he has looked completely out of his depth as a fwd.

Again signs were good as a back and that was where the lions were trying to play him, so just maybe it is his spot.

I suspect it is easier to develop as a defender so lets try him their and swing him fwd when confidence is up.

 

[Madblue]

So are those the reasons for each game he has played this season TG ?

I just don't think he is fit enough and he's had the yips with marking for a long time now and his confidence is obviously low.

TG do you actually go to watch games live ?

 

[Big Red is back]

So are those the reasons for each game he has played this season TG ?

I just don't think he is fit enough and he's had the yips with marking for a long time now and his confidence is obviously low.

TG do you actually go to watch games live ?

I never miss a game live and he doesn't seem to read the play properly, his positioning is completely wrong, he ends up leading to early and wide, i rarely see him in a marking contest in a dangerous spot, he also appears to have no speed off the lead nor any contested marking ability which makes playing fwd very very tough.

People need to be realistic he is young but not that young, and needs to be showing more against the good sides. How he plays against bottom sides like brisbane is good for his confidence but we need him to show something against top 8 sides.

Even against brisy your would think a prime fwd taking as many grabs as he did would have 6 or 7 shots on goal. Many of his marks again that day were wide near the boundry.

 

[bluespur]

Hendo was not our worst player, today our big men were killled,Warnock I am extremely worried about him,and kreuzer needs match practice,Jamieson injured didnt help and thank goodness we had Thornton

 

[pumped]

Think he showed enough last season to suggest he can play. I see him as a crucial part of the side either back or forward. Yesterday he looked very tentative for some reason when up forward. Seemed in 2 minds nearly every time he went for the ball. Up back however the hesitation seemed to lift. Perhaps he could be the second key defender we have been looking for in Bower's absence. Perhaps Hendo could hold down CHB and Waite comes back and takes his spot at CHF. Also if Henderson can hold down a key back role we could look at even someone like Watson to try in a forward position. We certainly seem to need more size in our starting 18.

 

[Coledinho]

Are you guys serious? Hes a gun defender. ATM hes playing out of position up forward due to necessity.

 

[Gone Critical]

Needs more time with the blues and another pre-season or two wouldn't hurt either.

He's still only 21 remember. Who was Travis Cloke 4 years ago?

A 20 yo who won Collingwoods B&F and was our best player in the finals series

Sorry couldn't resist

 

[Silvagnis]

Are you guys serious? Hes a gun defender. ATM hes playing out of position up forward due to necessity.

If Kennedy, Darling or Lynch had been in our forwardline yesterday, they would have had a similar output. We played one 21 year old KPF, so we didn't have Waite and our resting ruck in Hampson there to create space. Henderson had few one out contests in space. And Glass can play a bit. Our delivery and structure was similar to the first half of the Essendon draw against Essendon. We burned our inside fifties due to your pressure.

Henderson hasn't regained the recovery and the power in his legs that he had last year.

Murphy was like that in 2010 because he had a similar operation to Henderson in January.

 

[Coledinho]

Henderson will be a Luke McPharlin like defender when hes in his prime. Ratten knows this. Injuries just havnt allowed him to play him deep in defense. The idea Henderson is no good is laughable to say the least. Hes welcome at Eagles anyday of the week

 

[rampar]

play sentanta until he learns how to crash a pack

 

[HBF]

No pre-season, played a bad game and had poor midfield supply when he was forward.

Next.

Pretty much sums it up for me.
Our kicking into the F50 was as bad as I have seen it for some time yesterday. We could have Franklin and J.Brown up there, and it wouldn't have made any difference.

I do agree that Lachie does need to be more asertive at the contest, but this will come as his confidence picks up.

 

[Coledinho]

Pretty much sums it up for me.
Our kicking into the F50 was as bad as I have seen it for some time yesterday. We could have Franklin and J.Brown up there, and it wouldn't have made any difference.

I do agree that Lachie does need to be more asertive at the contest, but this will come as his confidence picks up.

This was Luke McPharlins problem for many years, then Dockers turned him into a defender.

Has Ratten ever said hes a fully fledged forward? Surely hes only there for backups atm as Waite, Setana Kreuze get back to full fitness.

 

[Madblue]

TheGeneral, just curious.... do you go and watch Carlton play live each week ?

 

[HBF]

This was Luke McPharlins problem for many years, then Dockers turned him into a defender.

Has Ratten ever said hes a fully fledged forward? Surely hes only there for backups atm as Waite, Setana Kreuze get back to full fitness.

When Lachie came to the club, Ratts came out and said that he'd be developed as a forward. Played all his junior footy as a forward as well.

I'd like to persist with him as a forward, and utilise other players as backmen. We lose Jamo prior to half time, Bower is still finding form in the VFL after a string of injuries, and Thornton/Austin did fight out of their weight division in the land of the giants that is West Coasts forward line.

 

[The Toad]

Look Hendo wasn't great yesterday, but for the love of God the delivery he got was nothing short of disgraceful. I don't think I can remember someone actually trying to hit him with a daisycutter. It was all that bloody "lob it in there and we'll see how we go" shit. As HBF said, we could of had the best Fwd's in the comp yesterday and we still would of got our arse's handed to us.

We were never going to win every game for the rest of the year and as one Eagles supporter said, you learn much more about yourselves as a team from a loss. We really shouldn't be that concerned, we will get some good players back soon and then we'll get our MoJo back.

It's all good.

 

[thylacine60]

Pretty much sums it up for me.
Our kicking into the F50 was as bad as I have seen it for some time yesterday. We could have Franklin and J.Brown up there, and it wouldn't have made any difference.

I do agree that Lachie does need to be more assertive at the contest, but this will come as his confidence picks up.

I'll take aggressive thanks.

 

[Salaryman]

psychotic?

 

[Jeremias]

The General ???

You clearly missed the point I was trying to make.

Believing your opinion is more valid due to attending more games is as stupid as some of the posts on here by some morons, as hard as that may be to fathom.

I couldn't care less how many games per season TG goes to as it is largely irrelevant.

He's here after a win, a loss or a draw - much unlike many of the posters who have bobbed up here in the past 16 hours or so.

And no I am not The General. I don't necessarily agree with what he says at all times, but his posts are far less cringeworthy than your own, and those of others who only venture on here after a loss to pot certain players, officials and to try to take the moral highground by whining "I TOLD U SO!!!!!!!!11111!!!!".

As usual, the post has just gone way over your head. Stick to Bay 13 where your lack of intellect doesn't stand out as much.

 

[T2B_]

It wasn't just Lachie.. our big man forward setup can often struggle with the way we set up, deliver, not to mention how clogged our forward line gets etc. If the ball hits the deck, sure our smalls do okay but we still need to improve our general forward play otherwise we just waste too many inside 50's.

I can't count the amount of times all our forwards were just stationary and trying to mark it with a body on body contests. I swear there were a heap of Eagles holding on to, but when it's that congested I guess the umps can't see it..but anyway, point is, if we clear it out a bit more and get our forwards leading properly and smartly (and give them good delivery for the love of...) we'll give them and the likes of Lachie a much better chance to thrive.

I agree Hendo is most likely also down on confidence though.. the crowd jeers are a disgrace.

 

[Madblue]

You clearly missed the point I was trying to make.

Believing your opinion is more valid due to attending more games is as stupid as some of the posts on here by some morons, as hard as that may be to fathom.

I couldn't care less how many games per season TG goes to as it is largely irrelevant.

He's here after a win, a loss or a draw - much unlike many of the posters who have bobbed up here in the past 16 hours or so.

And no I am not The General. I don't necessarily agree with what he says at all times, but his posts are far less cringeworthy than your own, and those of others who only venture on here after a loss to pot certain players, officials and to try to take the moral highground by whining "I TOLD U SO!!!!!!!!11111!!!!".

As usual, the post has just gone way over your head. Stick to Bay 13 where your lack of intellect doesn't stand out as much.

I was asking a simple (and polite) question not as a troll to TG, because alot of people make comments regarding players and game style from what they watch on TV when their ideas might be very different watching the games live as you get a much different perspective ! Its not about whos point is more valid !

I actually started this thread if you look back asking what we should do about Henderson and where he should play etc....

Posters like you Jeremias who just go on the attack for no reason stops people from coming on these boards.....GROW UP ! Either contribute maturely to the post or don't comment at all !

 

[juzz88]

He won a b and f.

Woops... maybe I should've done some research before throwing out that comparison... It just seemed like Cloke only really hit his straps over the past two years or so.

Still, I stand by the sentiment of my other post. Henderson is young and needs time to develop. And a full pre-season will do wonders for him.

 

[The Toad]

Woops... maybe I should've done some research before throwing out that comparison... It just seemed like Cloke only really hit his straps over the past two years or so.

Still, I stand by the sentiment of my other post. Henderson is young and needs time to develop. And a full pre-season will do wonders for him.

I picked up what you were putting down, Ace.

 

[HeziBarecket]

Henderson is the kind of player who looks good when he doesn't have the ball! Sure he seems to be ok with the 1%ers shepherding, blocking, tapping the ball on and he seems quite athletic, but the guy rarely holds a contested mark when needed and his disposal is always rushed.

Lets be real here, Hendo is a KEY POSiTiON FORWARD (or backman who knows?) maybe he needs to be reinvented?

But the clock is ticking on this guy, he really needed to make a statement of purpose against the Weagles, delivery or no delivery, and if he doesn't kick a modest bag against Richmond, I will lose patience once and for all and consider him a DUD.

Look it was hard when our defensive press were all out injured to beat the bloody frickn Weagles who I h8 more than Essenscum, but Hendo is a blast from our mediocre past. He just doesnt create the contests, nor have the enthusiasm like say a 'lesser' taught footballer eg SETANTA. His best game was against Melbourne last year who are a rubbishy team, he needs more stand-out performances or his role is the side gets compromised.

We can't continue to reward mediocrity. Lets get real, the Weagles SMASHED us yesterday in the end.

 

[Silvagnis]

Henderson is the kind of player who looks good when he doesn't have the ball! Sure he seems to be ok with the 1%ers shepherding, blocking, tapping the ball on and he seems quite athletic, but the guy rarely holds a contested mark when needed and his disposal is always rushed.

Lets be real here, Hendo is a KEY POSiTiON FORWARD (or backman who knows?) maybe he needs to be reinvented?

But the clock is ticking on this guy, he really needed to make a statement of purpose against the Weagles, delivery or no delivery, and if he doesn't kick a modest bag against Richmond, I will lose patience once and for all and consider him a DUD.

Look it was hard when our defensive press were all out injured to beat the bloody frickn Weagles who I h8 more than Essenscum, but Hendo is a blast from our mediocre past. He just doesnt create the contests, nor have the enthusiasm like say a 'lesser' taught footballer eg SETANTA. His best game was against Melbourne last year who are a rubbishy team, he needs more stand-out performances or his role is the side gets compromised.

We can't continue to reward mediocrity. Lets get real, the Weagles SMASHED us yesterday in the end.

Do everyone a favour and stop posting. Henderson was close to BOG against Richmond last year.

The time we did win the centre clearances in the third quarter, we got it in so quickly, that WC couldn't stop Austin taking front position on two lead and beating Mackenzie. Aussie set up Betts goal and gave off another pass to Carrazzo who should have done better than kicking out on the full. Henderson didn't have that luxury when he was forward. Yet Hendo still outpointed the man WC consider the saviour of their forwardline.