Society/Culture Horse racing is cruel

[Herne Hill Hammer]

fish dont have the same level of consciousness as mammals. they are virtually no different from plants so no its not even remotely as cruel.

so basically a pre-1967 aboriginal?

 

[fleabitten]

I go back and forth on the issue a bit. There's a lot of misinformation out there about the "casualties" of horse racing (for example, the tweet posted earlier about 15000 horses being killed for not being fast enough...fake news). I know several people who have been involved in the industry, working directly with the horses, and they LOVE the animals. These are people who I know would not stand for the mistreatment of animals in their presence. They have a bond with the horses they are working with, and the horses feel that bond, too. I'm sure a lot of owners are just thinking about the money or prestige of owning a champion, but the people actually close to the animals generally seem to be animal lovers who care greatly for the horses.

If you're worried about cruelty to horses, there are thousands of "pet" horses that are not receiving proper food, care or stimulation, standing around in paddocks all over the country. Help those ones first.

 

[Spirit Level]

Don't understand the glamour attributed to horse racing, it's ****ing boring

 

[Seeds]

Has it been proven that fish don't feel pain? My understanding is that it is still up for debate. In any case, 'virtually no different from plants' seems a bit of a stretch to me.

pain is heightened for creatures with rational minds as more pain is needed to persuade such creatures to act in a specific way (as such creatures have a mind of their own). Thus Creatures that pretty much only act on intuition have no need for a pain sensation (or happiness sensation or any emotional feeling for that matter). Rational conscious minds only really developed in land based creatures because we have time to think and make a decision about how to react to potential threats we see off in the distance. i.e there was an evolutionary benefit for rational thinking in land based creatures. Fish have no reason to develop conscious rational minds because they can only see things a couple of metres ahead of them and thus always need to react instantaneously to threats. Thus fish have very little consciousness. Dolphins and Whales are an exception because they evolved from creatures that were once land based.

 

[Seeds]

Don't have a beer with a biologist anytime soon!

im married to one although she only drinks wine so it aint really a problem.

 

[Thats Wright]

Don't understand the glamour attributed to horse racing, it's ****ing boring

There's not many things that go around in circles that aren't boring.

This board is no different.

 

[M Malice]

so basically a pre-1967 aboriginal?

Wow. That is one of the most racist posts I have read on BF.

 

[Seeds]

so basically a pre-1967 aboriginal?

yeah you might want to delete this post before too many people see it.

 

[fleabitten]

I think he/she is making the point that indigenous folk were legally animals 50 years ago, so maybe 50 years from now we will have a different view of fish.

 

[tandino]

I think he/she is making the point that indigenous folk were legally animals 50 years ago.

Subject to that elusive Flora and Fauna Act that actually doesn't exist.

 

[fleabitten]

Subject to that elusive Flora and Fauna Act that actually doesn't exist.

They weren't counted as humans and several states managed indigenous affairs as part of the same departments that managed wildlife, so while the Flora and Fauna act might be a myth, it's not that far off the reality.

 

[Seeds]

I think he/she is making the point that indigenous folk were legally animals 50 years ago, so maybe 50 years from now we will have a different view of fish.

fair enough. that makes more sense.

 

[Lethality]

Statistics show that nearly all horses in the race will experience bleeding in the lungs, while 50% of horses racing will experience bleeding in the windpipe. 89% of these racehorses will have stomach ulcers. All will be thrashed by a whip.

Will another horse collapse and die after the race like the two that did after the Melbourne Cup in 2014? Or die after breaking a leg like Red Cadeaux in the 2015 Melbourne Cup race? Stats show that approximately every 3 days, a horse will die on the racetrack in Australia.

During training, these horses spend approximately 22 hours of every day alone in a stall the size of a bedroom, resulting in digestive and behavioural abnormalities. They are drugged to mask the pain from being overworked, and fed food with unnaturally high energy content.

The average ‘career’ of a racehorse is 3 years, after which they are ‘discarded’. Every year, 10000-25000 ‘discarded’ racehorses who didn’t ‘make the cut’ are slaughtered for dog food.

Happy Melbourne Cup day.

Update: Regal Monarch has died after a 'horror fall' at the 2017 Melbourne Cup

 

[Lethality]

as per usual you focus on the wrong issue. Its not whether its immoral. its why people care about something that is so utterly stupid as horse racing that is the real issue. The Immorality of it is just a subset of the broader overall stupidity.

I did reference the tackiness.

 

[fleabitten]

Statistics show that nearly all horses in the race will experience bleeding in the lungs, while 50% of horses racing will experience bleeding in the windpipe. 89% of these racehorses will have stomach ulcers. All will be thrashed by a whip.

Will another horse collapse and die after the race like the two that did after the Melbourne Cup in 2014? Or die after breaking a leg like Red Cadeaux in the 2015 Melbourne Cup race? Stats show that approximately every 3 days, a horse will die on the racetrack in Australia.

During training, these horses spend approximately 22 hours of every day alone in a stall the size of a bedroom, resulting in digestive and behavioural abnormalities. They are drugged to mask the pain from being overworked, and fed food with unnaturally high energy content.

The average ‘career’ of a racehorse is 3 years, after which they are ‘discarded’. Every year, 10000-25000 ‘discarded’ racehorses who didn’t ‘make the cut’ are slaughtered for dog food.

Happy Melbourne Cup day.

Update: Regal Monarch has died after a 'horror fall' at the 2017 Melbourne Cup

Seems like you're getting your numbers from animal rights extremists who are basically just lying. 25k slaughtered horses is a ridiculous figure. Of the 10-12k horses who retire each year (due to age, injury, illness or just lack of talent) around a third go to stud. Another third become "pleasure" horses. Others have careers in dressage or polo, or find a non-racing job in the racing industry (stewards horses, etc). More are allowed to live out their lives peacefully in a paddock. Only around 10% end up dead and that's mostly due to injury or illness, which are things that happen to non-racing horses and all other living creatures.

I'm sure there are plenty of unscrupulous people in the industry who put money and fame ahead of the wellbeing of the horses, but in my experience most of the people actually dealing with the animals are animal lovers. The animals are doing what they were born to do, are treated very well and usually go on to have a pretty happy life post-racing. I'd rather be a racehorse than a pet horse.

 

[tandino]

In that case purchasing the meat adds to their sales, and therefore they purchase more and kill more. I'm talking about meat that has already been purchased and would otherwise go to waste.

I don't know, it seems like you're having a bet each way, as it were.

Regardless of if you are purchasing the meat yourself or if it's been purchased on your behalf, in part or in full, you still have an influence on the demand for meat products.

 

[King Brown]

But the same can be said of the meat sitting in the fridge down at Coles. All those animals have already been killed for consumption and undergo no further suffering, they're just conveniently sitting there to be picked up.

We don't need horse racing to live.

 

[M Malice]

I think he/she is making the point that indigenous folk were legally animals 50 years ago, so maybe 50 years from now we will have a different view of fish.

If that was HHHs intent I apologize.

 

[tandino]

We don't need horse racing to live.

We don't need to kill animals to live, it's just a matter of where your ethics lie.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

If that was HHHs intent I apologize.

It certainly was. Aboriginals were basically classed as flora before the 1967 referendum.

 

[M Malice]

It certainly was. Aboriginals were basically classed as flora before the 1967 referendum.

Sorry again HHH, your post was a bit too cryptic for this old fella, bit slow on the uptake sometimes, as soon as fleabitten pointed it out I thought yep probably got the wrong end of the pineapple there.

 

[undefined]

We don't need horse racing to live.

The economic/industrial impact it has means we'll continue to treat horses in an inhumane way for many years to come.

 

[Toump Ass]

Shit boring "sport" followed by shit boring people.

The whole Spring Racing Carnival is stupid, unless you like hanging out with brain-dead bogans and sluts crammed into their ill-fitting Year 12 formal dress.

But yeah horse racing is cruel too, duh.

 

[King Brown]

We don't need to kill animals to live, it's just a matter of where your ethics lie.

Yes we do. There has never been a non-meat eating society in human history.

 

[Gigantic]

Yes we do. There has never been a non-meat eating society in human history.

I'm sure vegans would feel inclined to disagree.